Tanev deal looking better and better everyday lmao.
- Feds91Stammer

Try hard much? How’s those wings looking?

There are always some bargains if you will wait out the market. I had some concerns with Dzingel outside Ottawa, but that's a great contract and Carolina should be a good fit. Sets him up to hit the market again at 29, or if it goes well get extended next summer.
- Tojo.

I really see Dzingel, Ferland, Hagelin, Tanev all in the same boat. They each bring slightly different pros/cons but relatively the same value players. All their AAVs ended up being pretty close. I don't know why people are shocked by this.

Who cares about the term in this case. There is a 2-3 year window. There's every indication Tanev will be a great bottom six or good middle six addition for the next year or two. That's all that matters. If that contract is a big issue in year 5 its not going to make a lick of difference.

I really hope JR doesn't make the major purchases in the family. Car salesmen must love him.

Gotta put Osgood in first.
- Feds91Stammer

And there's the problem. Was Osgood a great goalie, or just a good goalie and some great teams? Same for Mike Vernon and Corey Crawford.

Hell, when he retired, there were some people in Detroit who were saying Kris Draper should get into the HHOF.

I really see Dzingel, Ferland, Hagelin, Tanev all in the same boat. They each bring slightly different pros/cons but relatively the same value players. All their AAVs ended up being pretty close. I don't know why people are shocked by this.

Who cares about the term in this case. There is a 2-3 year window. There's every indication Tanev will be a great bottom six or good middle six addition for the next year or two. That's all that matters. If that contract is a big issue in year 5 its not going to make a lick of difference.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I think Dzingel is the superior of the 4 you listed here...just coming off two back to back 20+ goal/40+ point season (26 goals last year) and plays that fast heavy style theyve been preaching they want.

The term doesnt matter that much to me either BUT if say he didnt fit in well this year/under-performed then its much easier to trade him with only one year left on contract as opposed to 5...and especially 5 with a NTC.

I think Dzingel is the superior of the 4 you listed here...just coming off two back to back 20+ goal/40+ point season (26 goals last year) and plays that fast heavy style theyve been preaching they want.

The term doesnt matter that much to me either BUT if say he didnt fit in well this year/under-performed then its much easier to trade him with only one year left on contract as opposed to 5...and especially 5 with a NTC.
- MattStrat

There is nothing heavy about Dzingel's game. He is a horrible support player. All of his underlying numbers are garbage. He is a GREAT shooter though. 15% at evens is absurd. That's why he is such a good fit with Carolina. They don't need another two way dynamo to help them go from 57% possession to 60%, they needed another shooter.

I think Dzingel is the superior of the 4 you listed here...just coming off two back to back 20+ goal/40+ point season (26 goals last year) and plays that fast heavy style theyve been preaching they want.

The term doesnt matter that much to me either BUT if say he didnt fit in well this year/under-performed then its much easier to trade him with only one year left on contract as opposed to 5...and especially 5 with a NTC.
- MattStrat

JR apparently doesn't know how to negotiate when it comes to purchasing players; he seems to always be in competition with himself.

I honestly didn't know until right now that Tanev has a NTC. I just can't get over how bad of a contract this is. It definitely won't be the albatross that JJ is since Tanev is actually a decent hockey player, but it's still a terrible contract. Can you imagine if JJ had a NTC? I'd be vomiting.

JR apparently doesn't know how to negotiate when it comes to purchasing players; he seems to always be in competition with himself.

I honestly didn't know until right now that Tanev has a NTC. I just can't get over how bad of a contract this is.
- Rinosaur

I don’t think that he doesn’t know how I think he legitimately has no interest. I think he gets fixated on a guy and decides he’s going to acquire them no matter what and that leads him to start off with a higher offer than he should because he thinks it’s fair. I don’t think he has the cutthroat gene.

I don’t think that he doesn’t know how I think he legitimately has no interest. I think he gets fixated on a guy and decides he’s going to acquire them no matter what and that leads him to start off with a higher offer than he should because he thinks it’s fair. I don’t think he has the cutthroat gene.
- Victoro311

So does this mean that Tanev now has to be protected in the Seattle draft as well? If so, holy crap, so the team has to protect JJ, Tanev, Guds (?), Horny...that's not good at all!

Try hard much? How’s those wings looking?
- Grinder47

Pretty good and they just won as many playoff games as the pens did.

Pretty good and they just won as many playoff games as the pens did.
- Feds91Stammer

Doesn't count. You have to be IN the playoffs to lose playoff games. lol

And there's the problem. Was Osgood a great goalie, or just a good goalie and some great teams? Same for Mike Vernon and Corey Crawford.

Hell, when he retired, there were some people in Detroit who were saying Kris Draper should get into the HHOF.
- jmatchett383

Yeah goalies are probably the hardest to judge for the HHOF.

So does this mean that Tanev now has to be protected in the Seattle draft as well? If so, holy crap, so the team has to protect JJ, Tanev, Guds (?), Horny...that's not good at all!
- iworkatinitech

No. NMC and NTC are two different things.

There is nothing heavy about Dzingel's game. He is a horrible support player. All of his underlying numbers are garbage. He is a GREAT shooter though. 15% at evens is absurd. That's why he is such a good fit with Carolina. They don't need another two way dynamo to help them go from 57% possession to 60%, they needed another shooter.
- burgh4life87

He's fast and hungry for the puck is what I meant. Didnt realize his underlying was garbo though.

Doesn't count. You have to be IN the playoffs to lose playoff games. lol
- Rinosaur

I have a 2019 Red Wings playoff shirt that says undefeated.

Yeah goalies are probably the hardest to judge for the HHOF.
- Feds91Stammer

Unless a goalie is a clear-cut elite goalie for the majority of his career (Belfour, Hasek, Roy, Brodeur), I'd have a hard time putting them in. Like I said, aside from Lundquist, I don't think I'd say any goalie the past 5 years is in that category. Price could be and so could Rask, but they'll need more hardware and Cup or 2.

He's fast and hungry for the puck is what I meant. Didnt realize his underlying was garbo though.
- MattStrat

Like in Kessels case the offense out weighs the defense for a net positive.

So the forward with the most hits on the Pens last year was Horny with 150...Tanev had 278 last year...

So the forward with the most hits on the Pens last year was Horny with 150...Tanev had 278 last year...
- MattStrat

Cool story... tell me how hits win games instead of goals.

So the forward with the most hits on the Pens last year was Horny with 150...Tanev had 278 last year...
- MattStrat

Go look at 5v5 hits per 60. A vast majority of the top 100 are guys you wouldn’t want in your lineup. Hits rarely create a change of possession.

Cool story... tell me how hits win games instead of goals.
- Guile

So, body checks are useless?

So, body checks are useless?
- jmatchett383

I'd rather have someone who isn't a big hitter but can score goals, control the puck, and steal it then someone who is mediocre at the above 3... but can hit.

He's fast and hungry for the puck is what I meant. Didnt realize his underlying was garbo though.
- MattStrat

Yah, poor penalty differential, defensively weak, but he is a lethal shot. You take the good with the bad. Still a good contract.

So, body checks are useless?
- jmatchett383

More often than not.

So the forward with the most hits on the Pens last year was Horny with 150...Tanev had 278 last year...
- MattStrat

I watched quite a few Jets games last year. Tanev is a tenacious as they get. He can create a lot of chaos for defenders.

Not the most skilled player obviously, but I agree with others saying that he brings something that last years roster was missing.