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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 11:22 AM ET
I'd rather have someone who isn't a big hitter but can score goals, control the puck, and steal it then someone who is mediocre at the above 3... but can hit.
- Guile


So would I. But I think having a physical presence (not an "enforcer") is still useful in the NHL.

Yeah, I'd rather have Crosby than Tanner Glass, but I'd also rather have a guy like Bill Guerin or Wayne Simmonds(ca. 2014) over a guy like Miro Satan or Petr Sykora.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 11:23 AM ET
More often than not.
- Feds91Stammer


So you'd be cool with just making body checks illegal? I mean, if they have no impact on the game and can only cause injury, seems logical to just outlaw them.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ALL GMS ARE IDIOTS, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 12 @ 11:27 AM ET
So you'd be cool with just making body checks illegal? I mean, if they have no impact on the game and can only cause injury, seems logical to just outlaw them.
- jmatchett383

No that would be stupid. Physicality is part of the game. With that said most hits are pointless.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 11:29 AM ET
No that would be stupid. Physicality is part of the game. With that said most hits are pointless.
- Feds91Stammer


What is the difference between physicality and hits?
Thorny87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.17.2014

Jul 12 @ 11:32 AM ET
So would I. But I think having a physical presence (not an "enforcer") is still useful in the NHL.

Yeah, I'd rather have Crosby than Tanner Glass, but I'd also rather have a guy like Bill Guerin or Wayne Simmonds(ca. 2014) over a guy like Miro Satan or Petr Sykora.

- jmatchett383


Especially if you already have skilled players on the line that can do something with the turnovers they create.

As Sid gets older I think it's a bit much to expect him to be first in, force the turnover and create the chance every shift. He's been the most physical player on his line since Kunitz got demoted then traded.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ALL GMS ARE IDIOTS, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 12 @ 11:32 AM ET
What is the difference between physicality and hits?
- jmatchett383

Most. Not all. Learn how to read you (frank)ing pigeon.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 11:36 AM ET
Most. Not all. Learn how to read you (frank)ing pigeon.
- Feds91Stammer


I just asked what the difference was between them. I did see that you said "most." Would you care to given broad examples of hits that matter and hits that don't?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ALL GMS ARE IDIOTS, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 12 @ 11:38 AM ET
I just asked what the difference was between them. I did see that you said "most." Would you care to given broad examples of hits that matter and hits that don't?
- jmatchett383

Nah.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jul 12 @ 11:40 AM ET
It's not an indication of whether or not a player is more valuable, but seeing Tanev at over 16 hits per 60 and then seeing Dzingel lower than 3 hits per 60 is just funny as hell.

But when you look at the scoring chances for per 60 and High danger chances for per 60%, Tanev is not that far behind Dzingel. He will be a useful asset to this team.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 11:40 AM ET
Nah.
- Feds91Stammer


Well thank you for using facts and examples to back up your stance.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 12 @ 11:43 AM ET
It's not an indication of whether or not a player is more valuable, but seeing Tanev at over 16 hits per 60 and then seeing Dzingel lower than 3 hits per 60 is just funny as hell.

But when you look at the scoring chances for per 60 and High danger chances for per 60%, Tanev is not that far behind Dzingel. He will be a useful asset to this team.

- burgh4life87


I think most people are people are more angry about the term than the on-ice product...not that some aren't pissed about that.

As one of those neanderthal Philadelphia fans, "hits" are not as important as today's NHL as they've been in the past. They're still important, but not at the expense of skill.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jul 12 @ 11:50 AM ET
New blog
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jul 12 @ 11:51 AM ET
I think most people are people are more angry about the term than the on-ice product...not that some aren't pissed about that.

As one of those neanderthal Philadelphia fans, "hits" are not as important as today's NHL as they've been in the past. They're still important, but not at the expense of skill.

- jmatchett383


I agree with that. I am also against the term and AAV as a whole, but the player will be a nice addition.

And that is what's funny about Tanev. It seems that his speed and physicality are the driving force to his ability to generate scoring chances. He has below average skill for an NHL'er.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 12 @ 12:21 PM ET
Cool story... tell me how hits win games instead of goals.
- Guile



Just sayin', man...
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jul 12 @ 3:31 PM ET
I'd rather have someone who isn't a big hitter but can score goals, control the puck, and steal it then someone who is mediocre at the above 3... but can hit.
- Guile


Such a ridiculous argument. This conversation spawned from Dzingel vs Tanev. Dzingel scores more goals but he doesnt help to control the puck.

Youre basically saying "I'd rather have the guy thats good at 5 things than the guy thats good at 4 things" and somehow wrapping that into a point about hitting?
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