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Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 18 @ 12:07 AM ET
Jan Levine: Aiming to be cap compliant but currently in status quo Seven days until Trouba's arb hearing
alwaysjoeking
New York Rangers
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 08.18.2009

Jul 18 @ 12:26 AM ET
Trade Staal! I feel like there would be some interest, with potential for a decent return. He may be interested himself at this point in his career.
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

Jul 18 @ 12:32 AM ET
Thank's Jan for the mention pertaining to my comment on an earlier blog, with this blog being your usual well written in detail as always.

Their ability to become cap compliant is why I mentioned early on the morning of July 1st, that Rangers fans who want Panarin to be signed, must also accept that a buyout or more will also likely be necessary in the end.

The delay in signing their most costly RFA in Trouba is only due to hoping to avoid utilization of a buyout(s). It's not due to Trouba's agent or Trouba himself being tough to deal with on their end. It's also why they wanted at least one RFA to reach arbitration, to withhold from using any buyout unless still necessary during the second, but 48-hour only time frame window.

There is no way that management was not aware if signing Panarin that they would have been in cap trouble if unable to trade Namestnikov's one year left at $4M, along with 50% of the two years remaining in Shatty's $6.65M and Smith's $4.35M. That especially given both d'men's modified NTC's and Shatty's NMC limiting to whom they could be dealt. In addition, dealing all three in shedding $9M of cap for this season, (if retaining 50% of Shatty and Smith), still would be $2,142,857 short of paying Panarin instead.

The fact is that all three players are impossible to trade under those above dollar terms and respective contract clauses, unless a sweetener or more in the minimum of a mid level pick &/or prospect is also included. How many here felt the Rangers to begin with had overpaid Namestnikov at $4M annually?
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Jul 18 @ 2:02 AM ET
Trade Staal! I feel like there would be some interest, with potential for a decent return. He may be interested himself at this point in his career.
- alwaysjoeking

If you ask anyone on here Staal/Smith/Shattenkirk/Namestnikov are all valueless, even with retaining 50% of their salaries. According to everyone on here we’re going to have to add a significant piece to move them.
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

Jul 18 @ 2:22 AM ET
If you ask anyone on here Staal/Smith/Shattenkirk/Namestnikov are all valueless, even with retaining 50% of their salaries. According to everyone on here we’re going to have to add a significant piece to move them.
- nyrangers9479


To date, the Rangers were only willing to retain 50% of Shatty's and Smith's contracts to move them, and not Namestnikov's. As for Staal, I don't believe they have actively shopped him, due to him being a mentor for their youth, and also currently one of their only three left side d'men, (along with Skjei and Hajek). That's unless Rykov or Lindgren should make their opening roster.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Jul 18 @ 3:05 AM ET
To date, the Rangers were only willing to retain 50% of Shatty's and Smith's contracts to move them, and not Namestnikov's. As for Staal, I don't believe they have actively shopped him, due to him being a mentor for their youth, and also currently one of their only three left side d'men, (along with Skjei and Hajek). That's unless Rykov or Lindgren should make their opening roster.
- RangerSaver

As bad as Shattenkirks been, you can’t tell me at 3.3 million (us retaining 50%) a team wouldn’t be willing to take a chance on him for a mid round pick. As a 3rd pair dman at 3.3 million he’s better than most. Smith might be a little harder to trade, but if we bury him in the minors we get 1 million. Trade Nam and that’s 4 million. That’s 8.3 million to sign Buch/ADA/Lemieux. I wouldn’t be opposed to trading Fast either freeing up another million (the 800k would go to the player that replaces him).
NASHTYGUY
New York Rangers
Location: L I , NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jul 18 @ 7:21 AM ET
simple over reaction, just cause we havent done a damn thing since signing Panarin,
who has , its the lull after the 7/1 frenzy for a few days,,, still F A s need homes
But lest we panic ,sell short , strangle next yrs cap with alot of dead $$
patience is a virtue,like poker ,not the time to tip your play
I M O we can sell off D men easier than wings ,SO Shatty or smith at 1/2 salary + 2nd /3rd pick ,OR maybe a prospect we cant use like Keane or others thrown in
I dont see the rub with waiting till they have teams in need of talent
teams could use a shatty or smith to round out there D +PP
Names i see going back to Tampa on a 1/2 price deal after Point gets settled
alot of teams need to settle big RFA deals to start to finalize roster , wont be doing much till the RFA s get settled , I dont know when we need to be cap compliant
By Sept . start of camp, we will settle our roster issues ,more important is getting the Center we need to fill the only hole in lineup i see ,cant believe anyone wants kids backing up Mika , big gap between our #1 center & our @ 2 & 3 centers
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 18 @ 8:36 AM ET
"Something" will be done. NO WAY Trouba doesn't get signed b4 hearing. Lemiuex will be signed as well. Tony D, and Buch will probably be signed as well.

Somehow, someway NYR will shed a combo of Nam, Shatty, and Smith contracts.

How???....
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jul 18 @ 8:53 AM ET
"Something" will be done. NO WAY Trouba doesn't get signed b4 hearing. Lemiuex will be signed as well. Tony D, and Buch will probably be signed as well.

Somehow, someway NYR will shed a combo of Nam, Shatty, and Smith contracts.

How???....

- rrentz


Again, I could be way off, but I still think Trouba to arb is a better outcome for us. We are only really cap screwed this year. I think in an arb case, he would get less than what it's been reported what he'd get in a long term deal. I know that means we'd have to do the same song and dance next year, but by then we know that Names and Strome will be off the book, Girardi's dead cap will go down, and potentially a couple million extra to the cap ceiling.
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 18 @ 8:56 AM ET
Again, I could be way off, but I still think Trouba to arb is a better outcome for us. We are only really cap screwed this year. I think in an arb case, he would get less than what it's been reported what he'd get in a long term deal. I know that means we'd have to do the same song and dance next year, but by then we know that Names and Strome will be off the book, Girardi's dead cap will go down, and potentially a couple million extra to the cap ceiling.
- 2sticks1puck



I could see that, but some sort of gentleman's agreement better be in place to ensure he doesn't reach UFA! I don't see him leaving. Good thing is that his wife is starting internship/residency in NYC, so she aint moving
Brukie
New York Rangers
Location: Putnam, NY
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 18 @ 9:17 AM ET
WOW who would have thought that a team that is rebuilding is now in Cap hell??? Everyone once again say it "Trade Shatty, Smith and Staal, throw in Krieder, Vlad and Buch too boot!!"

There isnt a team out there thats going to take our top 3 without a draft pick or prospect, which, a rebuilding team shouldnt give away, cause, well they are rebuilding.

Trade CK20, Vlad and Buch, cause we have 18, 19 and 20 yos who have proven themselves to be NHL stars already without ever stepping on MSG ice.

Its ok we signed Panarin, we will win the Cup this year
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jul 18 @ 9:28 AM ET
I could see that, but some sort of gentleman's agreement better be in place to ensure he doesn't reach UFA! I don't see him leaving. Good thing is that his wife is starting internship/residency in NYC, so she aint moving
- rrentz


I'm not even worried about him reaching UFA. We got him for their own 1st back and Pionk. Even the worst case scenario isn't that hurtful. As you said though, I don't see his wife wanting him to leave here. I wonder though if the team is using that as leverage.
tbreinold
New York Rangers
Location: Branchburg, NJ
Joined: 02.14.2007

Jul 18 @ 9:49 AM ET
WOW who would have thought that a team that is rebuilding is now in Cap hell??? Everyone once again say it "Trade Shatty, Smith and Staal, throw in Krieder, Vlad and Buch too boot!!"

There isnt a team out there thats going to take our top 3 without a draft pick or prospect, which, a rebuilding team shouldnt give away, cause, well they are rebuilding.

Trade CK20, Vlad and Buch, cause we have 18, 19 and 20 yos who have proven themselves to be NHL stars already without ever stepping on MSG ice.

Its ok we signed Panarin, we will win the Cup this year

- Brukie


Yeah its been a terrible off season. Our cap is so horrible we have to give up all of our prospects to shed some salary. There is zero light at the end of the tunnel. This is just like the early 2000's.

In an alternative way of thinking - we got Kakko, Panarin, Trouba and Fox, signed Kratsov and Shesty. and we only need to clear a little bit of salary to keep Krieder and Buch. Stop being so negative.
Brukie
New York Rangers
Location: Putnam, NY
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 18 @ 10:00 AM ET
we only need to clear a little bit of salary to keep Krieder and Buch.


We need to clear almost 10 percent in salary in hopes of signing everyone. That means trades where we get only picks or prospects or buyouts, either way they leave holes in your line up.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 18 @ 10:01 AM ET
What happens if your team is not under the cap before the year?
picklerick
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.01.2018

Jul 18 @ 10:06 AM ET
What happens if your team is not under the cap before the year?
- ClaudeFather


Has that ever happened
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 18 @ 10:08 AM ET
Has that ever happened
- picklerick

No idea, are your games just forfeited?
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 18 @ 10:12 AM ET
No idea, are your games just forfeited?
- ClaudeFather


https://www.wingingitinmo...ance-why-teams-dont-cheat

1) Fine, which gets subtracted from your cap-space the following year,

2) Forfeit draft picks (commissioner's discretion),

3) Forfeit any games played while under 'circumvention',

4) Front office suspensions.
tbreinold
New York Rangers
Location: Branchburg, NJ
Joined: 02.14.2007

Jul 18 @ 10:16 AM ET
We need to clear almost 10 percent in salary in hopes of signing everyone. That means trades where we get only picks or prospects or buyouts, either way they leave holes in your line up.
- Brukie


The world is ending!!

We might need to buyout Smith and trade Namestikov. Are those huge holes in the lineup? Why do we think we need 16M to sign everyone. You could let all four go to arbitration.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 18 @ 10:17 AM ET
https://www.wingingitinmo...ance-why-teams-dont-cheat

1) Fine, which gets subtracted from your cap-space the following year,

2) Forfeit draft picks (commissioner's discretion),

3) Forfeit any games played while under 'circumvention',

4) Front office suspensions.

- Tomahawk

Thank you, pretty hefty.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jul 18 @ 10:23 AM ET
What happens if your team is not under the cap before the year?
- ClaudeFather


I'd like to note though, we are currently under the cap now (yes I realize we have to resign 4 guys). In the event where buyouts and or trades aren't enough, I mean technically we could just not sign the RFAs until midseason. That janky way they camp where it's a per day cap and your savings under the ceiling accumulate.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jul 18 @ 10:26 AM ET
The world is ending!!

We might need to buyout Smith and trade Namestikov. Are those huge holes in the lineup? Why do we think we need 16M to sign everyone. You could let all four go to arbitration.

- tbreinold


I generally agree with your point, but just a couple notes. Not all those guys get arb. Only Buch and Trouba do. If it goes to arb, you have to pay them whatever the arbitrator rules, or they become a UFA. That's why arb can be a scary thing.
tbreinold
New York Rangers
Location: Branchburg, NJ
Joined: 02.14.2007

Jul 18 @ 10:37 AM ET
I generally agree with your point, but just a couple notes. Not all those guys get arb. Only Buch and Trouba do. If it goes to arb, you have to pay them whatever the arbitrator rules, or they become a UFA. That's why arb can be a scary thing.
- 2sticks1puck


That is true, but you can really squeeze Tony D and Baby Claude.
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 18 @ 10:37 AM ET
It's not like Gorton signed Panarin and traded for Trouba without thinking about cap ramifications. All will be done before season begins
blueshirts_fan
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 01.28.2012

Jul 18 @ 11:16 AM ET
It's not like Gorton signed Panarin and traded for Trouba without thinking about cap ramifications. All will be done before season begins
- rrentz


You mean it doesn't seem likely that the GM for one of the most prestigious teams in the NHL didn't think it through what he would have to do to make everything work, that seems far fetched to me!!
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