Jan Levine: Another blog about the Rangers' cap Because not enough ink has been spilled about it

They will buyout smith and find someone to trade Nam to.

Luckily most of the poop contracts are up in two years when they are ready to contend

Anytime you HAVE to trade a player and get less than value for him and include a "sweetener" to get it done is terrible asset management. We are still in a rebuild, last I looked we havent made the playoffs in 2 yrs, so dealing assets for cap space is something contending teams do, not rebuilding.

I liked the Trouba trade but Panarins signing will hurt us unless Gorton can do some magic.

Careful Brukie when I mentioned Panarin I was viewed as a Debbie downer from all the hockeybuzz Gurus out here.lol

Careful Brukie when I mentioned Panarin I was viewed as a Debbie downer from all the hockeybuzz Gurus out here.lol
- mattstake

We aren't gurus, we just disagree with your view. The price is higher than I would have liked, but the opportunity to get a winger who already is a first line player and has the potential to move into the upper echelon of the league was hard to pass up.

Let's see what Gorton can do with Nam etc. Many wanted Smith or Kirk or Staal nought out, regardless of what NY did this offseason in free agency. Granted, potentially doing so one more team down the road would have been optimal. But getting Trouba on the cheap, in terms of assets not contract, and Panarin changed the equation.

But i can understand you both and others having a differing view.

Careful Brukie when I mentioned Panarin I was viewed as a Debbie downer from all the hockeybuzz Gurus out here.lol
- mattstake

You always over pay in free agency. At least it’s young elite talent and not Gomez, redden, drury, holik etc

Pan & Trouba are both elite, YOUNG talents. You have to pay through the nose for those & yes we're in cap trouble & yes we're in a rebuild but the destination to get to the ultimate goal of what that rebuild represents just got here a little faster (or has the potential to do so).

So there is some work to be done in regards to the Cap, we will get it done. Will it cost us Kreider or Namesnikov (or both)? ;Perhaps but with the addition also of another VERY young talent in Kakko this team could seriously contend now AND later as opposed to just later. This isn't the addition of Drury, Gomez & Redden here, we have some serious studs here ready to win now & play some real exciting hockey. Can't wait for this season to start!

You always over pay in free agency. At least it’s young elite talent and not Gomez, redden, drury, holik etc
- nyrangers2

^Yea what (I) HE SAID.

Should of traded Kreider before signing Trouba. ..can't imagine offers got better, with teams knowing they gotta move somebody.

I see Names getting traded to Detroit since they have tons of space once Zetts and JF are LTIR’d. I could also see a trade to a team like Calgary for Czarnik or Anaheim for Rowney. Teams that could use a bump in talent in their Mid-6 and have the Cap space to add 3 million.

These guys could benefit us because they play multiple positions (like Names) but We could bury both of these guys without accruing a cap hit since they are below 1.3 (which I think is the max bury amount). So we save 3-4 mill and then buyout Smith for another 3 mill savings and boom. Plenty of space

I think Kreider gets dealt at the Deadline for a Hayes like return. Same with Strome (less return than Hayes) but deadline traded still

Can / would they be able to trade a Stall / Kirk / Smith and retain some $$$ and still make it a better deal for them under the cap? Maybe package them with one of the rfa’s?

We aren't gurus, we just disagree with your view. The price is higher than I would have liked, but the opportunity to get a winger who already is a first line player and has the potential to move into the upper echelon of the league was hard to pass up.

Let's see what Gorton can do with Nam etc. Many wanted Smith or Kirk or Staal nought out, regardless of what NY did this offseason in free agency. Granted, potentially doing so one more team down the road would have been optimal. But getting Trouba on the cheap, in terms of assets not contract, and Panarin changed the equation.

But i can understand you both and others having a differing view.
- airjan23

The Trouba contract came in at about 500k more than expected but in 3 or 4 yrs could look like a bargain. Panarin came in as expected too.

I would have liked the Panarin signing if we were further into the rebuild or if he was 25 like Trouba. Some of these poster think the 18 to 20yos prospects we have will step right in and lite the world up. Hey Im a Ranger fan too andI would love it, but reality is, it wont happen.

The Trouba contract came in at about 500k more than expected but in 3 or 4 yrs could look like a bargain. Panarin came in as expected too.

I would have liked the Panarin signing if we were further into the rebuild or if he was 25 like Trouba. Some of these poster think the 18 to 20yos prospects we have will step right in and lite the world up. Hey Im a Ranger fan too andI would love it, but reality is, it wont happen.
- Brukie

I know you’re channeling your inner TomBurton here, but how long exactly did you think this rebuild would last? By all accounts it has been pretty successful. We add A LOT of young talent we have a log jam of what could be Hank 3 or 4 years ago waiting for the king to go on his way. If you look at what we added and what we have maybe the rebuild is over and now we start letting a new core take shape and see how we do. Are we winning this year? (frank) if I know, but same applies to losing. Is it more likely, maybe, but lets see what happens.

I’ve seen this said more than once
6) Trade Pavel Buchnevich or one of the other RFAs to clear up space

And I’d like to know how it helps? I mean they’re RFAs so they don’t have any money currently toward the cap cause they don’t have contracts. We can’t trade bunch and say problem solved as we don’t currently include him in any calculation.

Why would be buyout Smith when he and Beleskey can go to the AHL??? Why create dead cap space when there is no reason to create it!!!

Nobody wants Vlad plus with the signing of Panarin and the addition of Kravtsov not sure if trading Vlad at this time is our best option??

Buying out Staal is even dumber, defensively Staal is one of our best players at that position and has played very well the last two seasons finally being over his injuries!

If you buyout anyone it needs to be Shatty unless if you can trade him for a second round pick in next years draft since next years draft is stockpiled high!

The only trade where we would get a return of a first round pick is for Kreider! As much as I would hate to have to trade him unless he takes a discounted contract he will have to go!

Why would be buyout Smith when he and Beleskey can go to the AHL??? Why create dead cap space when there is no reason to create it!!!

Nobody wants Vlad plus with the signing of Panarin and the addition of Kravtsov not sure if trading Vlad at this time is our best option??

Buying out Staal is even dumber, defensively Staal is one of our best players at that position and has played very well the last two seasons finally being over his injuries!

If you buyout anyone it needs to be Shatty unless if you can trade him for a second round pick in next years draft since next years draft is stockpiled high!

The only trade where we would get a return of a first round pick is for Kreider! As much as I would hate to have to trade him unless he takes a discounted contract he will have to go!
- patersonnick46

the problem there is that you don't hide his entire cap hit only like 1 mill so not enough of a savings.

Marc Staal right? now I am not saying he is a huge liability but best is stretching it a bit

Why would be buyout Smith when he and Beleskey can go to the AHL??? Why create dead cap space when there is no reason to create it!!!

Nobody wants Vlad plus with the signing of Panarin and the addition of Kravtsov not sure if trading Vlad at this time is our best option??

Buying out Staal is even dumber, defensively Staal is one of our best players at that position and has played very well the last two seasons finally being over his injuries!

If you buyout anyone it needs to be Shatty unless if you can trade him for a second round pick in next years draft since next years draft is stockpiled high!

The only trade where we would get a return of a first round pick is for Kreider! As much as I would hate to have to trade him unless he takes a discounted contract he will have to go!
- patersonnick46

Saying staal is the best defenseman is like picking the best looking ugly girl to (frank). He’s bad and him/smith have the best numbers after buyout. Shatty does not

The Trouba contract came in at about 500k more than expected but in 3 or 4 yrs could look like a bargain. Panarin came in as expected too.

I would have liked the Panarin signing if we were further into the rebuild or if he was 25 like Trouba. Some of these poster think the 18 to 20yos prospects we have will step right in and lite the world up. Hey Im a Ranger fan too andI would love it, but reality is, it wont happen.
- Brukie

In an ideal world I agree, but tough ton pass on Panarin when he's available now., And it doesn't seem like anyone close to him is available in the next year or so.

Pionk at 2 years, $6 million.

Is someone taking crazy pills?

I’ve seen this said more than once
6) Trade Pavel Buchnevich or one of the other RFAs to clear up space

And I’d like to know how it helps? I mean they’re RFAs so they don’t have any money currently toward the cap cause they don’t have contracts. We can’t trade bunch and say problem solved as we don’t currently include him in any calculation.
- blueshirts_fan

It's based on the expected amount Buch would sign for, same with ADA. If Smith and Belsekey buried, you save $2 mil. Replacing them each might cost $1.5 mil or less, as each dollar counts. So if you can replace a $2.8 mil player with someone cheaper, that helps attempt to keep NY cap compliant and might only require one more deal, which might allow for no buy outs and future cap hits.

I know you’re channeling your inner TomBurton here, but how long exactly did you think this rebuild would last? By all accounts it has been pretty successful. We add A LOT of young talent we have a log jam of what could be Hank 3 or 4 years ago waiting for the king to go on his way. If you look at what we added and what we have maybe the rebuild is over and now we start letting a new core take shape and see how we do. Are we winning this year? (frank) if I know, but same applies to losing. Is it more likely, maybe, but lets see what happens.
- blueshirts_fan

I can think for myself, im very levelheaded and Im a realist. Most rebuild last 3-5 yrs and the team should start to contend by the 5th year. The Rangers started their rebuild 18 months ago. Yes they picked up some nice pieces, but those pieces have yet to play an NHL game let alone succeed. So to really think the rebuild is over is kinda being an optimist. Sorry Im a pessimist, so I say show me that the team can win, then I might change my mind. Last year we won 32 games, 4th lowest in the league 20 points out of a playoff spot. I dont see the Rangers making a 10 win jump in the standings. Im sorry. See why im a pessimist.

I can think for myself, im very levelheaded and Im a realist. Most rebuild last 3-5 yrs and the team should start to contend by the 5th year. The Rangers started their rebuild 18 months ago. Yes they picked up some nice pieces, but those pieces have yet to play an NHL game let alone succeed. So to really think the rebuild is over is kinda being an optimist. Sorry Im a pessimist, so I say show me that the team can win, then I might change my mind. Last year we won 32 games, 4th lowest in the league 20 points out of a playoff spot. I dont see the Rangers making a 10 win jump in the standings. Im sorry. See why im a pessimist.
- Brukie

When you put it that way, I actually DO see the Rangers winning 10 more games this year and making the playoffs!

They lost 22 1 goal games last year, and about 10 more where an open net goal occured. That's alot of winnable games with a much worse team.

With the added pieces, NYR can most certainly win that many more games.

Fast for a 4th, replace him with DI Giuseppe (saves 1.1 million)

Namestnikov, for a 5th (saves 4 million)

Bury Smith in the minors (saves 1.25)

That’s 6.35 million without a buyout

I can think for myself, im very levelheaded and Im a realist. Most rebuild last 3-5 yrs and the team should start to contend by the 5th year. The Rangers started their rebuild 18 months ago. Yes they picked up some nice pieces, but those pieces have yet to play an NHL game let alone succeed. So to really think the rebuild is over is kinda being an optimist. Sorry Im a pessimist, so I say show me that the team can win, then I might change my mind. Last year we won 32 games, 4th lowest in the league 20 points out of a playoff spot. I dont see the Rangers making a 10 win jump in the standings. Im sorry. See why im a pessimist.
- Brukie

I didn’t say you couldn’t think for yourself I said you were channeling your inner TomBurton, meaning you sound like him... that said, I’m being hopeful that based on what players we added have done in other leagues that their talents will be fruitful. Is it guarantee, no but I am hopeful t our young talent turns out as well as many think it will and we start competing dare I say 2 years earlier than you anticipated?

Fast for a 4th, replace him with DI Giuseppe (saves 1.1 million)

Namestnikov, for a 5th (saves 4 million)

Bury Smith in the minors (saves 1.25)

That’s 6.35 million without a buyout
- nyrangers9479

Since we are playing what if, what if the assignment is refused and the contract is terminated, is that a possibility? Hasn’t that happened once during free Amgen you, the rangers signed a guy from Montreal and he decided that he wanted to go back and they terminated the contract?