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WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jul 23 @ 4:20 PM ET
but at the same time it doesn't make sense for a player, in a contract year, to play like an old dog plays fetch.

And didn't Phil start out on brass's line to begin the year? or at least get a decent look.and he was given oppurtunities on the wing. His QOT was hardly down from his time in NY and probably better than in Ottawa. In terms of TOI and PP, i agree with you, his production will dip. But (frank), deal with the hand your dealt and work harder. you don't see Rust pouting when he doesn't get to play 1st line and I don't expect Tanev to either. which is why i don't see the brassard's problem a "fit" problem. Just he was a baby who only wanted to put on the booboo face.

- joecool2931

Instead of fit let’s just start calling it chemistry because that’s what it is. according to Tojo it is a chemistry problem with Phil because Malkin plays better away from Phil and it appears Sid wasn’t interested in giving it an extended look.

I can’t disagree that Brass’ effort was brutal when he started here this last year. I think the biggest driver was the lack of will. Every time the puck moved from A to B you saw this glaring hesitation which constantly put him 1-3 steps behind. I think part of it is a lack of chemistry but also a lack of QoT and PPTOI
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 23 @ 8:21 PM ET
Instead of fit let’s just start calling it chemistry because that’s what it is. according to Tojo it is a chemistry problem with Phil because Malkin plays better away from Phil and it appears Sid wasn’t interested in giving it an extended look.

I can’t disagree that Brass’ effort was brutal when he started here this last year. I think the biggest driver was the lack of will. Every time the puck moved from A to B you saw this glaring hesitation which constantly put him 1-3 steps behind. I think part of it is a lack of chemistry but also a lack of QoT and PPTOI

- WSCTeton17

Brassards groin issues have toasted him. I saw the same poop when Detroit signed Stephen Weiss.
Doogs
Season Ticket Holder
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh , PA
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 23 @ 9:20 PM ET
As lucky as we have been with players like Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby, Malkin and more...there has been a list of guys that have been acquired that have had me so psyched to start and fizzled...Brassard was one of them.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Jul 23 @ 9:28 PM ET
Brassards groin issues have toasted him. I saw the same poop when Detroit signed Stephen Weiss.
- Feds91Stammer

I have to think this is the reason. He was horrible in FLA and COL, too, in a contract year. However, he only had 1G 1A in his first 7 games as a Pen prior to the groin injury. Small sample, I know, but he is also on the wrong side of 30. It will be interesting to see if anyone picks him up and for how much. Probably will be a one year prove it deal for cheap.

Knowing how this turned out and what Bonino is now makes you appreciate Bjug all the more. I have to think that Bjug is way down the list of players JR is wanting/willing to trade.
icedog97
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.20.2005

Jul 23 @ 9:59 PM ET
Winning at the NHL level is largely about how all the pieces fit together.

The Penguins won back to back cups and had at least a few guys with bad contracts, and a few guys that failed the advanced stats test (some were in both groups) but played well enough within the team identity to help them win.

To me...still the biggest test...will Sullivan's idea about the team identity - 1) get enough buy in from the players 2) be achievable with this group.

It will be interesting to see what that identity is and how much, if at all, it changes.

Precedent seems to indicate that from January forward, the team that believes the most in it's game is the one that wins the cup.






Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 23 @ 10:11 PM ET
I have to think this is the reason. He was horrible in FLA and COL, too, in a contract year. However, he only had 1G 1A in his first 7 games as a Pen prior to the groin injury. Small sample, I know, but he is also on the wrong side of 30. It will be interesting to see if anyone picks him up and for how much. Probably will be a one year prove it deal for cheap.

Knowing how this turned out and what Bonino is now makes you appreciate Bjug all the more. I have to think that Bjug is way down the list of players JR is wanting/willing to trade.

- Hockey66



He will get picked up... can't have strong of a career before those 2 bad years and just fade into the sunset at the younger side of 30. Unless he chooses to hang it up, he will catch on someplace on a 1 year prove it deal.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jul 23 @ 11:27 PM ET
Term doesn't matter. Term doesn't affect this upcoming season, talk to me in 4-5 years *IF* the term is a problem then

So, at 27, he makes 3.5 million, which is MAYBE a 500k overpay?

People act like he's a completely useless player with negative value like JJ

GMJR got the player he obviously targeted at *maybe* a 500k overpay, which is 0.7% of the salary cap

Thats how Free Agency works

- RoloTahmasee

I don't think that's the case. Most people see Tanev as a decent player but don't like the contract and/or think it was an unnecessary signing with the depth they already had.

Not just NHL depth, but a lot of their top forward prospects are somewhat gritty as well. Seems weird to tie up money in a bottom 6 guy when you didn't have the cap space this year and you have 6 guys who may all play larger roles heading towards free agency next year, and the one thing you could probably expect out of your system was depth forwards on cheap contracts.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 24 @ 5:11 AM ET
ZAR is the guy from young blood blow drying his hair before the game.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 24 @ 5:13 AM ET
Using Ryan Wilsons subjective take that ZAR has more value than Tanev, I'll make a Wilson-Esque take that ZAR provides more value than Crosby

ZAR = 43GP/17 Points = 0.4PPG for 1 Million

Crosby = 79GP/100 Points = 1.26 PPG for 8.7 Million

Crosby delivers only 3 times the points at 8.7 TIMES THE COST

ZAR, 3 TIMES better Value than Crosby

- RoloTahmasee

Wait. You mean some nerd in his moms basement could in fact “prove” anything using poopty statistics they made up? Feel like I’ve been saying this for years.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 24 @ 5:15 AM ET
As lucky as we have been with players like Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby, Malkin and more...there has been a list of guys that have been acquired that have had me so psyched to start and fizzled...Brassard was one of them.
- Doogs

I was psyched for Reaves, then our wussy ass coach wouldn’t use him. He goes to play for a real hockey coach and kills it.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 24 @ 6:56 AM ET
He will get picked up... can't have strong of a career before those 2 bad years and just fade into the sunset at the younger side of 30. Unless he chooses to hang it up, he will catch on someplace on a 1 year prove it deal.
- Guile


It has happened, just not often. Jonathan Cheechoo was a 56-goal scorer, then a 37-goal scorer, and was out of the NHL less than 3 years later at the age of 30. Also, isn't Brassard on the other side of 30 (31)?
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jul 24 @ 7:49 AM ET
It has happened, just not often. Jonathan Cheechoo was a 56-goal scorer, then a 37-goal scorer, and was out of the NHL less than 3 years later at the age of 30. Also, isn't Brassard on the other side of 30 (31)?
- jmatchett383



Younger side of 30s... as in 30 to 33.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 24 @ 9:31 AM ET
Younger side of 30s... as in 30 to 33.
- Guile


Ah okay, gotcha. And Cheechoo is an extreme example. Most guys like Brassard who went from star/semi-star to junk usually do hang around a few years (Havlat and Hemsky) types.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 24 @ 9:55 AM ET
Ah okay, gotcha. And Cheechoo is an extreme example. Most guys like Brassard who went from star/semi-star to junk usually do hang around a few years (Havlat and Hemsky) types.
- jmatchett383

Hemsky was an interesting case. Lots of skill and good speed but light as a feather and couldn’t live up to the hype.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 24 @ 10:21 AM ET
zzzzzz...JJ traded yet? ...zzzzzzzz

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j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 24 @ 10:32 AM ET
Hemsky was an interesting case. Lots of skill and good speed but light as a feather and couldn’t live up to the hype.
- Barnaby36


Live up to what hype? He had a damn good career. Two 70 point seasons, a 60 point season and a bunch of 30-50 point seasons. Dude by definition was a top 6 forward until he was 32.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 24 @ 5:19 PM ET
Kessel’s home theater is priceless. Haha. Must not have had the boys over too much.
OldPloppers
Joined: 07.22.2019

Jul 24 @ 9:40 PM ET
"Winning at the NHL level is largely about how all the pieces fit together.

The Penguins won back to back cups and had at least a few guys with bad contracts, "

Who were the bad contracts during the B2B's?
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 25 @ 5:48 AM ET
"Winning at the NHL level is largely about how all the pieces fit together.

The Penguins won back to back cups and had at least a few guys with bad contracts, "

Who were the bad contracts during the B2B's?

- OldPloppers

Carl Haglin is really the only one that jumps to mind.
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