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Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 29 @ 12:06 AM ET
Jan Levine: Larry Brooks on Shattenkirk, Kreider etc... - my take Buyout period starts Monday, who will go?
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

Jul 29 @ 12:56 AM ET
If you trust the words of Elliotte Friedman, (and I also believe Dan Rosen as well), Friedman for sure made it known that at some point just prior to the Draft, the Rangers nearly had Kreider dealt to Colorado for their 16th overall pick in the 1st Round. The Avs instead retained that pick to select high skilled center in Alex Newhook, who TSN had ranked as #13 overall in their Final Draft Rankings. Friedman alone also stated back then that, "there would be "a lot of teams" interested in acquiring Kreider either just prior to, or during the Draft," should the Rangers still want to trade him.

That was just a few months after the Avs were initially interested in acquiring Kreider prior to last season's trade deadline. But this latter time, they opted to retain their 16th overall pick, and delay any serious talks with the Rangers, due in part to looking for a trade partner for Barrie, who they later found in the Leafs being willing to deal them Kadri.

So other than with the Avs, Brooks is likely correct in stating that the Rangers only "halfheartedly" tried to deal Kreider, because if they had seriously done so, Kreider would have surely been already dealt, based on Friedman's words alone.
Za Warudo
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 04.20.2019

Jul 29 @ 1:15 AM ET
Why not place all three overpaid defensemen in the AHL and clear the cap space that way?
RoloTahmasee
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 29 @ 1:23 AM ET
You only save 1.05 million by burying a guy in the AHL
blueshirts_fan
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 01.28.2012

Jul 29 @ 1:33 AM ET
If you trust the words of Elliotte Friedman, (and I also believe Dan Rosen as well), Friedman for sure made it known that at some point just prior to the Draft, the Rangers nearly had Kreider dealt to Colorado for their 16th overall pick in the 1st Round. The Avs instead retained that pick to select high skilled center in Alex Newhook, who TSN had ranked as #13 overall in their Final Draft Rankings. Friedman alone also stated back then that, "there would be "a lot of teams" interested in acquiring Kreider either just prior to, or during the Draft," should the Rangers decide to trade him.

That was just a few months after the Avs were initially interested in acquiring Kreider prior to last season's trade deadline. But this latter time, they opted to retain their 16th overall pick, and delay any serious talks with the Rangers, due in part to looking for a trade partner for Barrie, who they later found in the Leafs being willing to deal them Kadri.

So other than the Avs, Brooks is likely correct in stating that the Rangers only "halfheartedly" tried to deal Kreider, because if they had seriously done so, Kreider would have surely been already dealt, based on Friedman's words alone.

- RangerSaver


Gonna save people time here. CK20 was almost dealt to the Avs for the 16 pick, ended up not happening cause the Avs got Kadri and traded Barrie. So no new info here. Expect more moves this week.
blueshirts_fan
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 01.28.2012

Jul 29 @ 1:36 AM ET
Why not place all three overpaid defensemen in the AHL and clear the cap space that way?
- Za Warudo


Doesn’t work that way anymore, I think Staal has a NMC probably the same for ‘kirk And he has a modified NTC Like 11 teams he can’t be traded to.
TommyGTrain
New York Rangers
Location: Part of NJ where its Taylor Ham not pork roll
Joined: 05.19.2017

Jul 29 @ 1:38 AM ET
Why not place all three overpaid defensemen in the AHL and clear the cap space that way?
- Za Warudo


NMC clauses for both Staal and Shatty prevent them from being sent to AHL. Smith is the only one that can go to Hartford...
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

Jul 29 @ 2:27 AM ET
I criticize what you write cause it’s long winded drivel. The ended up trading for kadri, didn’t say it was draft day you dippoop. I don’t need 3 or 4 paragraphs to say NOTHING NEW. I read Jan’s blog I like his insights yours tell me nothing I didn’t already know.
- blueshirts_fan


First, I don't give a darn if you do not read my comments. You are a lowlife, by your word choice you called me in this post of your's.

Reread that post of your's. You stated the Rangers/Avs trade involving Kreider, (in your EXACT following words), "ENDED UP NOT HAPPENING CAUSE THE AVS GOT KADRI AND TRADED BARRIE".

In addition to your horrible English and word choice you ironically somehow criticize SOLELY ME FOR on this site numerous times, and especially most recently. Your "English" used there depicts that the Rangers/Avs trade did not occur, "BECAUSE" YOU ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT the Avs/Leafs trade of JULY 1ST involving Barrie and Kadri in key, HAD ALREADY OCCURRED prior to the Rangers/Avs near trade of Kreider to the Avs prior to the JUNE 21ST & 22ND Draft.

Furthermore, you have no memory that the Rangers and Avs first attempted to make a trade involving Kreider prior to last season's trade deadline.

That prior sentence is one reason why my comments require more words in order to express additional and precise details IN PROPER WRITTEN ENGLISH AND WORD CHOICE, unlike your's here in first using the word, "CAUSE", instead of the word,"BECAUSE."

Even worse, your overall English word choice there, which everyone EXCEPT FOR YOU would have understood it the way I did, depicts that you thought the Barrie "+" for Kadri "+" trade occurred prior to the Draft, when IN FACT, that was when the Kreider to the Avs trade nearly went down, as per my original post's details.
RangerSaver
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2013

Jul 29 @ 2:29 AM ET
I criticize what you write cause it’s long winded drivel. They ended up trading for kadri, didn’t say it was draft day you dippoop. I don’t need 3 or 4 paragraphs to say NOTHING NEW. I read Jan’s blog I like his insights yours tell me nothing I didn’t already know.
- blueshirts_fan


I see you changed your word describing me as "DIPpoop" to "DIPPOOP", since I made my prior reply to you.

Note to moderators:
Somehow, the original comment that this "blueshirts-fan" member described me as in this comment of his, still shows up as with the word, "DIPSH*T" right on this link, which I am entering this reply to . That was prior to him altering it to the word, "DIPPOOP", which it then somehow shows instead on the comments page.
blueshirts_fan
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 01.28.2012

Jul 29 @ 2:37 AM ET
I see you changed your word describing me as "DIPpoop" to "DIPPOOP", since I made my prior reply to you.
- RangerSaver


You're an idiot, filters Richardwad <- says D I C Kwad
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 29 @ 4:00 AM ET
You're an idiot, filters Richardwad <- says D I C Kwad
- blueshirts_fan

MacT27
New York Rangers
Location: Subway Record: 4-0, NY
Joined: 04.03.2015

Jul 29 @ 6:59 AM ET
Today is the day correct??!!
NASHTYGUY
New York Rangers
Location: L I , NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jul 29 @ 7:05 AM ET
read from the kid in Toronto...
NYR passed on deals for only a mid round pick for Names,
NYR holding out for a better deal
we are just holding our cards to max out the best case for the dead wood we are shedding,Now that the clock starts this after noon i bet betwen now & wed we see
the deals to set us cap compliant .,please dont take the lazy way & buy out anyone
give em away by eating $$& sweetner low picks

Brooks the shill plays alarmist & easy fixer ..cmon i know its slow but NYR has planned out every move they are going to make till camp opens

WE JUST DONT KNOW WHAT THOSE PLANS ARE ... brooks definitely dont know

Trade for the center we need to play with Mika
Kriedr #1 pick Georgie Lias A could all be part of a pkg.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jul 29 @ 7:55 AM ET
Today is the day correct??!!
- MacT27


Yeah, but I fully expect them to wait until the last minute to decide. That's Wednesday.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 29 @ 8:35 AM ET
if Shattenkirk is still here next season.

what exactly does he do?
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jul 29 @ 8:41 AM ET
if Shattenkirk is still here next season.

what exactly does he do?

- jimbro83


I still want to try him at LD. Are we really going to trot out Skjei as the top pairing D? Let Shatty try to cause havoc offensively, Trouba is good enough to cover.
MacT27
New York Rangers
Location: Subway Record: 4-0, NY
Joined: 04.03.2015

Jul 29 @ 8:44 AM ET
if Shattenkirk is still here next season.

what exactly does he do?

- jimbro83


Take up space for younger more talented players
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 29 @ 9:02 AM ET
I still want to try him at LD. Are we really going to trot out Skjei as the top pairing D? Let Shatty try to cause havoc offensively, Trouba is good enough to cover.
- 2sticks1puck


I think that's the plan, Trouba and Skjei have been buddies for years, if someone else takes over that spot it's only because Skjei failed
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jul 29 @ 9:04 AM ET
if Shattenkirk is still here next season.

what exactly does he do?

- jimbro83

2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jul 29 @ 9:10 AM ET
I think that's the plan, Trouba and Skjei have been buddies for years, if someone else takes over that spot it's only because Skjei failed
- jimbro83


I mean, we could see a home video of the two having a sleepover eating pizza, still doesn't change the fact both of us know that Skjei isn't a top pairing D. I guess ADA is young enough you could try to move him there too. Might not be the worst idea in the world because for two years with Fox, Trouba, and Shatty playing RD that something has to give.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 29 @ 9:13 AM ET
I mean, we could see a home video of the two having a sleepover eating pizza, still doesn't change the fact both of us know that Skjei isn't a top pairing D. I guess ADA is young enough you could try to move him there too. Might not be the worst idea in the world because for two years with Fox, Trouba, and Shatty playing RD that something has to give.
- 2sticks1puck


and Tony D

and Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren...

the more and more I go over it, I think the best solution is buying out Shatty
TommyGTrain
New York Rangers
Location: Part of NJ where its Taylor Ham not pork roll
Joined: 05.19.2017

Jul 29 @ 9:13 AM ET
if Shattenkirk is still here next season.

what exactly does he do?

- jimbro83



Shatty starts as the 3rd Pair RD in case Fox isnt NHL ready, or is the 7th D man in case someone gets hurt.
blueshirts_fan
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 01.28.2012

Jul 29 @ 9:14 AM ET
if Shattenkirk is still here next season.

what exactly does he do?

- jimbro83


give guys on the bench words of encouragement
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 29 @ 9:15 AM ET
Shatty starts as the 3rd Pair RD in case Fox isnt NHL ready, or is the 7th D man in case someone gets hurt.
- TommyGTrain


do you play Shatty on the powerplay over Tony D?
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jul 29 @ 9:15 AM ET
and Tony D

and Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren...

the more and more I go over it, I think the best solution is buying out Shatty

- jimbro83


I don't see how we could buy out Smith and Shatty. That dead cap charge next season would be lethal. Someone in the last thread shows the Names buyout. That's a better option IMO. Smith and Names almost makes it work.
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