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Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Aug 1 @ 1:26 AM ET
Jan Levine: Kevin Shattenkirk to be bought out now that timing of period determined Dream of playing for home town team ends ignominiously
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 1 @ 1:33 AM ET
Yea going to be a tough upbringing when your dad makes millions of dollars not to play hockey.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 1 @ 1:48 AM ET
Jan, minimum amount a player must make to be bought out is 3.4 million. Strome only makes 3.1, he cannot be bought out.
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Aug 1 @ 2:13 AM ET

I am no capologist if that is even a word.

But why not buy out Marc Staal??? Dude has a case for being one of the worst defenseman in the entire NHL.

Like to me it is so insane that they somehow couldn't buy out stall and trade someone else for literally future considerations or something around that trade route.
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Aug 1 @ 3:03 AM ET
I am no capologist if that is even a word.

But why not buy out Marc Staal??? Dude has a case for being one of the worst defenseman in the entire NHL.

Like to me it is so insane that they somehow couldn't buy out stall and trade someone else for literally future considerations or something around that trade route.

- classic321

There’s just no place for Shattenkirk and he had the highest cap hit. Trouba/ADA/Fox all ahead of him on the right side. The left side has a ton of young guys coming up, but still need someone on that side with some experience. Skjei only has a few years then we have guys like Hajek/Lindgren and possibly Miller next year, nice assets to have but might need some breaks/AHL before they’re ready to take over that role. Staal is ok as a 3rd pair guy that can kill penalties. Shattenkirk was a train wreck in his own end that saw the offensive side of his game suffer due to some injuries.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 1 @ 5:44 AM ET
somebody in the last blog at the end said because of the dead case space next season, "that means Kreider is as good as gone"

I don't understand why...

if Shattenkirk wasn't bought out, he's a 6.5 million cap hit

if he's bought out, he's a 6.083 mil cap hit

there's no difference, it quite literally has nothing to do with whether or not Kreider is signed to an extension.

Nothing changes.

aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Vagabond
Joined: 06.17.2010

Aug 1 @ 5:46 AM ET
I am no capologist if that is even a word.

But why not buy out Marc Staal??? Dude has a case for being one of the worst defenseman in the entire NHL.

Like to me it is so insane that they somehow couldn't buy out stall and trade someone else for literally future considerations or something around that trade route.

- classic321


Because Staals contract was so front loaded his buyout would only save them 2.8mil, which would necessitate a second move.
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Vagabond
Joined: 06.17.2010

Aug 1 @ 6:03 AM ET
Before anyone brings up buying out Smith. His buyout also wouldnt be enough to give the Rangers enough cap cushion for comfort. The second issue with buying out Smith is they have the luxury of sending him down to AHL if they want (or someone else and playing him on 4th line). Something they cant do with Staal or Shatty because of NMC.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 1 @ 6:21 AM ET
Before anyone brings up buying out Smith. His buyout also wouldnt be enough to give the Rangers enough cap cushion for comfort. The second issue with buying out Smith is they have the luxury of sending him down to AHL if they want (or someone else and playing him on 4th line). Something they cant do with Staal or Shatty because of NMC.
- aecliptic


yeah, Shatty's buyout accomplishes what they needed

they are actually pretty lucky it provides as much cap relief as it does this coming season

the Staal/Shatty debate in my opinion is still a no brainer

Staal's buyout wasn't enough and Staal can still kill penalties on the left side

are you really putting Kevin Shattenkirk on the left side of a penalty kill? come on

they both suck at this point, but at least Staal can handle doing that job

hopefully a young left handed D steps up this season and takes even that role away from Staal

as far as Smith goes, I believe he's AHL bound, but if he's with the Rangers, he can contribute on the 4th line and he's tough, can drop the gloves

I am glad this order of business is finally taken care of though, I can get back to talking about Panarin, Kakko and Kravstov anytime
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 6:46 AM ET
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2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 6:49 AM ET
Before anyone brings up buying out Smith. His buyout also wouldnt be enough to give the Rangers enough cap cushion for comfort. The second issue with buying out Smith is they have the luxury of sending him down to AHL if they want (or someone else and playing him on 4th line). Something they cant do with Staal or Shatty because of NMC.
- aecliptic


Yeah, what you said is true, but it would have bought them some time. You can be 10% over the cap before the season, and you could see if the RFAs just sign their tenders (I don't think they would, I mean why would they want to be paid pennies). Still think during camp, some teams get injuries and Strome or Names will be as good as gone.

Knowing for sure that you have enough space is worth something I guess.
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Vagabond
Joined: 06.17.2010

Aug 1 @ 6:51 AM ET
yeah, Shatty's buyout accomplishes what they needed

they are actually pretty lucky it provides as much cap relief as it does this coming season

the Staal/Shatty debate in my opinion is still a no brainer

Staal's buyout wasn't enough and Staal can still kill penalties on the left side

are you really putting Kevin Shattenkirk on the left side of a penalty kill? come on

they both suck at this point, but at least Staal can handle doing that job

hopefully a young left handed D steps up this season and takes even that role away from Staal

as far as Smith goes, I believe he's AHL bound, but if he's with the Rangers, he can contribute on the 4th line and he's tough, can drop the gloves

I am glad this order of business is finally taken care of though, I can get back to talking about Panarin, Kakko and Kravstov anytime

- jimbro83


I think Smith is gonna be a starter until he shows them he cant.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 6:53 AM ET
yeah, Shatty's buyout accomplishes what they needed

they are actually pretty lucky it provides as much cap relief as it does this coming season

the Staal/Shatty debate in my opinion is still a no brainer

Staal's buyout wasn't enough and Staal can still kill penalties on the left side

are you really putting Kevin Shattenkirk on the left side of a penalty kill? come on

they both suck at this point, but at least Staal can handle doing that job

hopefully a young left handed D steps up this season and takes even that role away from Staal

as far as Smith goes, I believe he's AHL bound, but if he's with the Rangers, he can contribute on the 4th line and he's tough, can drop the gloves

I am glad this order of business is finally taken care of though, I can get back to talking about Panarin, Kakko and Kravstov anytime

- jimbro83


It's a moot point at this point to argue, so I agree we need to look forward. To me this is a pretty big season for Hajek. I want to see him as the guy who becomes the future Staal (the good version). I hope they can shelter Staal enough to make him look serviceable. It's just sad to see him fall like this, the fanbase forgets once upon a time, McD, Girardi, and Staal were arguably the best top 3 in the whole league.

I'm fine with Smith on the 4th line. Both of us aren't numbers guys, but his underlying numbers were actually pretty good. I'm just worried that if Smith is a forward, it's going to take time away from someone who could be pushing for a roster spot.
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Aug 1 @ 7:25 AM ET
Jan, minimum amount a player must make to be bought out is 3.4 million. Strome only makes 3.1, he cannot be bought out.
- nyrangers9479

I believe that's when it's outside the regular buyout period, which is based on if you have a player going through arbitration, not the first buyout period.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 7:28 AM ET
I believe that's when it's outside the regular buyout period, which is based on if you have a player going through arbitration, not the first buyout period.
- airjan23


That's entirely possible. Capfriendly makes it seems like its for buyouts period. If the Rangers could have bought out Strome and didn't, probably pretty foolish on their parts honestly.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 7:58 AM ET
What a dud by the NY teams at the trade deadline. I'm still not entirely sure what the Mets are doing, or course you could say that every year for the past few decades. It seems like the front office is like my delusional friend in thinking "Hey only 4.5 games out of the wild card"
WayneZ
New Jersey Devils
Location: Yay we're relevant again, VA
Joined: 01.28.2008

Aug 1 @ 8:32 AM ET
It never ceases to amaze me how seemingly every player wants to skate on Broadway despite the endless list of players that have had their careers die at MSG. Its like a morbid graveyard of once great players that arrived to thunderous applause only to receive a paupers burial a short time later. RIP Shatty. We hardly knew thee.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 1 @ 8:33 AM ET
That's entirely possible. Capfriendly makes it seems like its for buyouts period. If the Rangers could have bought out Strome and didn't, probably pretty foolish on their parts honestly.
- 2sticks1puck


yeah, the Rangers could have bought out Strome during first buyout period, but that ended June 30th, but they didn't know they'd win the Panarin sweeps at that point
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 8:35 AM ET
It never ceases to amaze me how seemingly every player wants to skate on Broadway despite the endless list of players that have had their careers die at MSG. Its like a morbid graveyard of once great players that arrived to thunderous applause only to receive a paupers burial a short time later. RIP Shatty. We hardly knew thee.
- WayneZ


When you are an destination, you will get more players that fail. Just simple statistics. People simply forget the number of Yankee failures or until recently Giants failures because those orgs have won more. We've had a number of those signings/trades work out, but people only remember the failures because we haven't won more.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 1 @ 8:41 AM ET
When you are an destination, you will get more players that fail. Just simple statistics. People simply forget the number of Yankee failures or until recently Giants failures because those orgs have won more. We've had a number of those signings/trades work out, but people only remember the failures because we haven't won more.
- 2sticks1puck


this particular player had nothing in common with any of the others

they had to get under the salary cap, his buyout helped that happen more than any other

when they used a compliance buyout on Brad Richards, it was mainly because the league changed the rules in the new CBA about how the cap hits for front loaded contracts worked moving forward

in both cases, if there weren't a salary cap, they would have stuck around, but every year there will be players dumped because of it. The more money a player makes, the more of a chance it could happen.

Rangers aren't the only team who deal with it
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 8:53 AM ET
this particular player had nothing in common with any of the others

they had to get under the salary cap, his buyout helped that happen more than any other

when they used a compliance buyout on Brad Richards, it was mainly because the league changed the rules in the new CBA about how the cap hits for front loaded contracts worked moving forward

in both cases, if there weren't a salary cap, they would have stuck around, but every year there will be players dumped because of it. The more money a player makes, the more of a chance it could happen.

Rangers aren't the only team who deal with it

- jimbro83


No doubt. Toronto is a destination city and they have had a ton of failures. I don't think the Rangers have done anything nearly as poor as just give Larry Murphy away.
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 1 @ 8:54 AM ET
this particular player had nothing in common with any of the others

they had to get under the salary cap, his buyout helped that happen more than any other

when they used a compliance buyout on Brad Richards, it was mainly because the league changed the rules in the new CBA about how the cap hits for front loaded contracts worked moving forward

in both cases, if there weren't a salary cap, they would have stuck around, but every year there will be players dumped because of it. The more money a player makes, the more of a chance it could happen.

Rangers aren't the only team who deal with it

- jimbro83


There's currently 30+ buyouts league wide, but yup it's only an NYR problem


https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-history
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Aug 1 @ 9:06 AM ET
There's currently 30+ buyouts league wide, but yup it's only an NYR problem


https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-history

- rrentz


Corey Perry buyout very similar to the Shattenkirk
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Aug 1 @ 9:15 AM ET
Corey Perry buyout very similar to the Shattenkirk
- jimbro83


You want to see a funny potential buyout. Even if Calgary waits a year, even with Edm retaining some salary, it's bad

https://www.capfriendly.c...or/milan-lucic/2020-06-15
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 1 @ 9:16 AM ET
Corey Perry buyout very similar to the Shattenkirk
- jimbro83



Yes, but Anaheim did get some great years from Perry. That's the only thing that bothers me. Shatty never did anything of note in NY.
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