Because Bi*ch Marner is a greedy little puke. I hope he sits the whole year out.

This RFA stuff is getting ridiculous. Players have WAY too much power.
- PavohnDatsvares

No they dont. Its the GMs that are acting like a little b^tch.

If Dubas had any balls, or Shanahan for that matter, Marner would be playing in Europe or Russia this next year.

But Marner isnt the problem. He saw a pattern start to develop. For with Nylander, then Matthews.

Players arent the problem, the organization's management teams are.

No they dont. Its the GMs that are acting like a little b^tch.

If Dubas had any balls, or Shanahan for that matter, Marner would be playing in Europe or Russia this next year.

But Marner isnt the problem. He saw a pattern start to develop. For with Nylander, then Matthews.

Players arent the problem, the organization's management teams are.
- Buggy166

Agree to disagree.

I wonder which league executives Ek has been talking to.
- Aetherial

All of them, probably.

I'm touch myself right now
- Zezel

What kind of weirdo isn't touching themselves right now?

What kind of weirdo isn't touching themselves right now?
- Tumbleweed

Trade Marner. I’d trade him straight across for Tkchuck (sp?)......or Laine. More goals less money.

All of them, probably.
- Tumbleweed

I don't think his sources are exclusively executives. Seems like he's in the loop on RFA negotiations so that might be a player agent or two that tips him off. Also former players, maybe some current Flyers players, coaches, scouts, then the media (ie he was invited to a trade deadline show). So he must have lots of people. You don't get on the ice for 12 different Cup celebrations unless you are connected. Wish people would just start accepting that he's plugged in big time.

I don't think his sources are exclusively executives. Seems like he's in the loop on RFA negotiations so that might be a player agent or two that tips him off. Also former players, maybe some current Flyers players, coaches, scouts, then the media (ie he was invited to a trade deadline show). So he must have lots of people. You don't get on the ice for 12 different Cup celebrations unless you are connected. Wish people would just start accepting that he's plugged in big time.
- uofcguy

These are only the sources we hear about publicly. Behind the scenes it could be current and former players, GMs and owners. Even deceased ones via Ouija board.

https://youtu.be/-cXrEPNvRO8

Because Bi*ch Marner is a greedy little puke. I hope he sits the whole year out.

This RFA stuff is getting ridiculous. Players have WAY too much power.
- PavohnDatsvares

sens

Hey bud, a while ago you said Edmonton looking into Kreider, more to come. Been a while, they must be close by now. Can you shoot your source a text please? I’ll check back later. Thanks

Because Bi*ch Marner is a greedy little puke. I hope he sits the whole year out.

This RFA stuff is getting ridiculous. Players have WAY too much power.
- PavohnDatsvares

Players have basically no power. Marner is way worse off if he doesn't eventually cave than the Leafs are.

Management has all the power. All the have to do is say no and they pretty much win.

Players have basically no power. Marner is way worse off if he doesn't eventually cave than the Leafs are.

Management has all the power. All the have to do is say no and they pretty much win.
- Hunkulese

Next time your boss tells you you're getting a 10% raise, tell him you're not showing up to work until he gives you 20% . And then add that if he doesn't match that, you'll just go work for a rival company. Let me know how that goes over. Oh. And who would have the power in that scenario? Because it certainly wouldn't be the employer (ie. the team).

Next time your boss tells you you're getting a 10% raise, tell him you're not showing up to work until he gives you 20% . And then add that if he doesn't match that, you'll just go work for a rival company. Let me know how that goes over. Oh. And who would have the power in that scenario? Because it certainly wouldn't be the employer (ie. the team).
- PavohnDatsvares

Can Marner just go play for a rival company? Nope. He can either work for the Leafs or not work. He has no power.

What kind of weirdo isn't touching themselves right now?
- Tumbleweed

I don't even want to know.

The problem isn't Marner. Or the many other RFAs. There are others by the way. The problem isn't management, or the PA, or the CBA. There is no problem at all. None of this is actually a problem for anyone. Everything is fine.

Can Marner just go play for a rival company? Nope. He can either work for the Leafs or not work. He has no power.
- Hunkulese

Fair enough. Then remove the rival part of the equation, and just look at it as the initial point of being offered a 10% raise, and just refusing to work unless he gives you what ever damn number you see fit.

We're just gonna go in circles here, you see it the way that you do, and nothing anyone can ever say will convince me that athlete's aren't spoiled brats. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, maybe we're both wrong, I don't really care. Thanks for your feedback though. Xoxo

The problem isn't Marner. Or the many other RFAs. There are others by the way. The problem isn't management, or the PA, or the CBA. There is no problem at all. None of this is actually a problem for anyone. Everything is fine.
- Zezel

Thank you. You really helped put things in perspective for me. You're right. Everything IS fine.

"Still a little summer left!"

- George Costanza

Fair enough. Then remove the rival part of the equation, and just look at it as the initial point of being offered a 10% raise, and just refusing to work unless he gives you what ever damn number you see fit.

We're just gonna go in circles here, you see it the way that you do, and nothing anyone can ever say will convince me that athlete's aren't spoiled brats. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, maybe we're both wrong, I don't really care. Thanks for your feedback though. Xoxo
- PavohnDatsvares

Hockey's a business that makes a ton of money. They make all that money because of the players. The players want their fair share and the owners want to underpay everyone because that's how business works. No one is a spoiled brat. Both sides are doing what they should be doing, but the owners have far, far, far, far more power than the players do or ever will. Without owners, there is no league. Without players, there are more players.

Real-life examples don't work when you compare it to sports because none of us are the best in the world at anything at are easily replaceable, but if your employer wasn't willing to offer you what you felt you were worth, would you be a spoiled brat for demanding a fair salary?

Hey bud, a while ago you said Edmonton looking into Kreider, more to come. Been a while, they must be close by now. Can you shoot your source a text please? I’ll check back later. Thanks
- doon

The Oilers getting Kreider is linked to Ottawa acquiring Point, assuming they meet Yzerman's trade demands. Pretty simple.

Hockey's a business that makes a ton of money. They make all that money because of the players. The players want their fair share and the owners want to underpay everyone because that's how business works. No one is a spoiled brat. Both sides are doing what they should be doing, but the owners have far, far, far, far more power than the players do or ever will. Without owners, there is no league. Without players, there are more players.

Real-life examples don't work when you compare it to sports because none of us are the best in the world at anything at are easily replaceable, but if your employer wasn't willing to offer you what you felt you were worth, would you be a spoiled brat for demanding a fair salary?
- Hunkulese

It all depends. There is only one hockey league in the world with pay rates and salaries like the NHL. There is also a salary cap. In addition my employer never drafted me, and the company I work for doesnt control my rights for the first several years of my career.

At the end of the day we cant have this discussion because none of us are sitting here saying millions of dollars isn't fair pay. Or that going to work means we have to win a hockey game or getting paid to be in ads and commercials.

There is a salary cap. The people paying marner dont control how much they can spend on their roster. The league does. So demanding more from people who have rules in place to prevent them from paying every player what they're worth is being a bit selfish. Imo. The money they arent giving marner isnt going into the pockets of those hes negotiating with so the owners here arent being cheap.

Now this is just my opinion, but when you wait until every other player is signed, and there is less money to spend, some of that falls on you.

This is ridiculous. Marner isn't worth close to Mathews. Period. Trade this guy now for a bunch of pieces that can help them win. They've won nothing with him at entry contract, and they won't win with him at $10m+. Simple as that. Btw he disappeared after game 2 vs Bruins...just in case anyone remembers that.

I hope Marner get 11,000,000 a year from the Leafs for 8 years

I hope Marner get 11,000,000 a year from the Leafs for 8 years
- rubberduckies

Sounds about right. Dubas throws money around signing max deals. Imagine if the geek ran any other team instead of one with the purse strings of the Leafs.

This is ridiculous. Marner isn't worth close to Mathews. Period. Trade this guy now for a bunch of pieces that can help them win. They've won nothing with him at entry contract, and they won't win with him at $10m+. Simple as that. Btw he disappeared after game 2 vs Bruins...just in case anyone remembers that.
- Crimedog

Trade a 21 year old with 94 points because he hasnt led the team anywhere? Yes I bet all the gambles and lesser talents you get back in a trade will be the team over the top.

Sounds about right. Dubas throws money around signing max deals. Imagine if the geek ran any other team instead of one with the purse strings of the Leafs.
- Nighthawk

How dare he pay good players alot of money when he can pay average players less money!