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DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The Dach Side
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 13 @ 2:46 PM ET
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Aug 13 @ 2:46 PM ET
What would be the problem?
- DarthKane


Well, Sikura sux. He's played 480 minutes without a goal. So it means all this forward depth is a mirage if he's in the top 6. Ya' folla me?
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Aug 13 @ 2:48 PM ET
Hockeybuzz hotstove debates top 5 goalies in the western conference. No mention of our guys except one guy throws them out as honorable mentions. No respect for this team again. It would be nice to make these "experts" eat crow this season (no pun intended).

Antti Rannta???????

- 67hawks


Most of those "hater experts" are posters here!
rpeters01
Joined: 07.09.2016

Aug 13 @ 2:48 PM ET
Hockeybuzz hotstove debates top 5 goalies in the western conference. No mention of our guys except one guy throws them out as honorable mentions. No respect for this team again. It would be nice to make these "experts" eat crow this season (no pun intended).

Antti Rannta???????

- 67hawks

Anttii Rannta the backstabbing rebound machine?
rpeters01
Joined: 07.09.2016

Aug 13 @ 2:49 PM ET
Well, Sikura sux. He's played 480 minutes without a goal. So it means all this forward depth is a mirage if he's in the top 6. Ya' folla me?
- mohel

Not sure he's top six in Rockford, doink!
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 13 @ 3:22 PM ET
I did take the time and read what you wrote. And yes back injuries are very tricky. I also said if you look at his age and the last 4 years as a snapshot , it's highly unlikely he will reproduce the same or similar numbers as he did last year.

Could he sure anything is possible, but taking into account his age , and all the hockey he has played in such a short period of time I think he will put up a respectable season 60 to 66 points but not a 78 to 84 plus season.

- Taylorst1



Why not? Brad Marchand is 31 and has been getting better and better with age.

Crosby had a down turn and couldn't stay healthy for several years in a row. He is 32 and played some of his best hockey last season.

Bergeron at age 34 just had a career year in points.

Giroux had 3 pretty mediocre years in a row from 14-17. The last 2 seasons he has turned it around big time.

If Toews is healthy I see no reason why he wouldn't replicate last season.

bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 13 @ 3:24 PM ET
Well, Sikura sux. He's played 480 minutes without a goal. So it means all this forward depth is a mirage if he's in the top 6. Ya' folla me?
- mohel



Well if he makes the top 6 then he earned it. He wouldn't be default top 6 just b/c he is on the roster. So I don't agree with that last poster about having a problem with him in the top 6.

2 open wing spots and lots of potential names to fill them. Hawks will pick who they think best fills the spot.

If he is on a line with Toews and Kane he is going to have to bury his chances this year.
rpeters01
Joined: 07.09.2016

Aug 13 @ 3:32 PM ET
Why not? Brad Marchand is 31 and has been getting better and better with age.

Crosby had a down turn and couldn't stay healthy for several years in a row. He is 32 and played some of his best hockey last season.

Bergeron at age 34 just had a career year in points.

Giroux had 3 pretty mediocre years in a row from 14-17. The last 2 seasons he has turned it around big time.

If Toews is healthy I see no reason why he wouldn't replicate last season.

- bhawks2241

Crosby's worst full year is 84 pts. Toews best full year is 81 pts. Some of Crosby's partial years are better than Toews full years. The two aren't comparable Toews compares better to Bergeron and Backstrom.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Aug 13 @ 3:37 PM ET
Crosby's worst full year is 84 pts. Toews best full year is 81 pts. Some of Crosby's partial years are better than Toews full years. The two aren't comparable Toews compares better to Bergeron and Backstrom.
- rpeters01


Because only points matter and there is nothing else to the game of hockey.

The whole Toews sucks bandwagon is such a joke.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Aug 13 @ 3:51 PM ET
To me that dark horse is Kurashev who could really make things interesting. The ripple effect down the lines would yield 4 solid combinations.
- 67hawks



I spent time watching him early in his draft year and yes he has a offensive prowess can drive the bus, but he also is an easy guy to play rough against and he (in his draft year) disappeared.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 13 @ 3:53 PM ET
Crosby's worst full year is 84 pts. Toews best full year is 81 pts. Some of Crosby's partial years are better than Toews full years. The two aren't comparable Toews compares better to Bergeron and Backstrom.
- rpeters01



I wasn't comparing stats or point totals. I was comparing slumps/injuries and players of similar age and skill bouncing back and even getting better with age.

People had Crosby written off because of his injuries and concussions. Dude came back and won 2 cups and played some of his best hockey at the age of 32.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Aug 13 @ 3:53 PM ET
Bryan Bickell was not a true top 6 power forward.
- Taylorst1



Sre he was and he was a force in that playoff run...
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Aug 13 @ 3:54 PM ET
Now come on you should have said Jack me Hoff
- Taylorst1


Jakmihov... Wasn't he one of the Russians that played for Detroit back in the day?
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 13 @ 3:57 PM ET
Because only points matter and there is nothing else to the game of hockey.

The whole Toews sucks bandwagon is such a joke.

- breadbag


Yeah not sure why last year would be an anomaly. Toews looked faster, more explosive, and seemed to have rejuvenated his offensive game and creativity. That isn't just going to disappear.

I am actually hoping that Shaw takes a similar trajectory as Marchand (obviously not as talented offensively) and continues to improve his offensive game as he ages, i.e. focuses on his offensive game more and a little less on the shenanigans.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Aug 13 @ 3:59 PM ET
https://chicago.suntimes....n-bowman-rockford-icehogs

Another d-man? Rockford depth?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Aug 13 @ 3:59 PM ET
Anttii Rannta the backstabbing rebound machine?
- rpeters01


To me the best goalies are the ones that show up when it matters. What is Crow's head to head record in the[playoffs against the goalies mentioned by these bloggers (not experts IMHO)? Case closed in my book.
Lido_Shuffle
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.10.2012

Aug 13 @ 4:00 PM ET
Capfriendly has the Hawks signing Philip Holm to a 1 year deal.

Getting paid $300K to play in Rockford.

wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Aug 13 @ 4:07 PM ET
I actually don't think those spots are going to solidify...the idea is to mix and match personal to match up player to player, line to line against teams.

I expect Nylander if he has a strong camp in all phases to be given a chance to play with skilled guys, because a skilled guy with offensive potential can grow more with other high end players than bringing a guy in and expecting his to be versed in NHL wing and asking the rook to carry offensive generator down low in the lines.

That being said, the obviously want Strome to get better in his coverage and motion and in a perfect world he and the cat get a add on who carries part of that load...I see that as one of the new pieces b/c if the winger were here last year he would have solidified that spot. That might be Shaw 5 on 5.

I think Kane and Toews will play all over and with various wingers. Don't think shifts with Smith our there doesn't help Kane's game because offense these days is not just generation from the forward position.

It will be interesting as to who from the Icehogs and the new additions will be able to get time with Toews and or Kane.

I just think that you really won't see comfortable lines rolling that are set...the PK and PP, are, but it is gonna be about maximizing the guys with offensive talent with guys that help give them a chance to succeed.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 13 @ 4:09 PM ET
https://chicago.suntimes....n-bowman-rockford-icehogs

Another d-man? Rockford depth?

- Rota's Rooter


Something has to give. There isn't enough playing time in Rockford.... is Boqvist for sure headed to the AHL and not back to London?

Gilbert, Beaudin, Krys, Holm, Dahlstrom/KK, Carlsson, Boqvist?

Probably missing a few too....
ToewsdNKanefusd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hampshire, IL
Joined: 05.14.2015

Aug 13 @ 4:09 PM ET
Capfriendly has the Hawks signing Philip Holm to a 1 year deal.

Getting paid $300K to play in Rockford.

- Lido_Shuffle


No money left for Perlini now...has to be another move ahead...

EDIT: nevermind, I guess if he plays in Rockford there is still money left for Perlini

Just weird that we have all of these defenseman and not enough space for them...again, probably another move on the horizon.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Aug 13 @ 4:11 PM ET
I think Philip Holm got a tryout in Vancouver two years back. Had some size and grit and good skills...not sure if he in NHL ready at 28


Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Aug 13 @ 4:12 PM ET
Something has to give. There isn't enough playing time in Rockford.... is Boqvist for sure headed to the AHL and not back to London?

Gilbert, Beaudin, Krys, Holm, Dahlstrom/KK, Carlsson, Boqvist?

Probably missing a few too....

- bhawks2241

https://www.thescore.com/...man-after-valimaki-injury

I see Stan's plan. Sign any and all available d-men and force a trade.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Aug 13 @ 4:13 PM ET
Someone enjoys being a whiny troll , who demands conformity and name calls. Then when confronted plays the poor me excuse.

If you don't like it that's tough and I'm not about to be politically correct to appease you or anyone

- Taylorst1

Refer to another poster as a “whiny troll”, and then accuse the same poster of name calling.

You’re funny.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Aug 13 @ 4:17 PM ET
Something has to give. There isn't enough playing time in Rockford.... is Boqvist for sure headed to the AHL and not back to London?

Gilbert, Beaudin, Krys, Holm, Dahlstrom/KK, Carlsson, Boqvist?

Probably missing a few too....

- bhawks2241


Maybe some teams call the Hawks for a depth D due to an injury during camp, or maybe Dahlstrom or 4K don't clear waivers and make it to Rockford.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Aug 13 @ 4:17 PM ET
I actually don't think those spots are going to solidify...the idea is to mix and match personal to match up player to player, line to line against teams.

I expect Nylander if he has a strong camp in all phases to be given a chance to play with skilled guys, because a skilled guy with offensive potential can grow more with other high end players than bringing a guy in and expecting his to be versed in NHL wing and asking the rook to carry offensive generator down low in the lines.

That being said, the obviously want Strome to get better in his coverage and motion and in a perfect world he and the cat get a add on who carries part of that load...I see that as one of the new pieces b/c if the winger were here last year he would have solidified that spot. That might be Shaw 5 on 5.

I think Kane and Toews will play all over and with various wingers. Don't think shifts with Smith our there doesn't help Kane's game because offense these days is not just generation from the forward position.

It will be interesting as to who from the Icehogs and the new additions will be able to get time with Toews and or Kane.

I just think that you really won't see comfortable lines rolling that are set...the PK and PP, are, but it is gonna be about maximizing the guys with offensive talent with guys that help give them a chance to succeed.

- wiz1901


I agree, last year JC bounced forwards all over the place. Same will happen this year. It'll be about matchups.

Im hoping with the addition of Shaw, Smith, even Carpenter this leads to some juicy turnovers in the opponents end.

I know Smith is who he is, but i believe if you can surround him with not the same player as himself, let's say Saad and Dach, he can be very effective role player on that line. Kind of like Caggiula was for Kane and Toews.
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