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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: LCBO, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Aug 13 @ 1:13 PM ET
This is the Leafs year....2020...…

This is the LEafs year.....2021...…

This is the Leafs years....2022.....

- RippedFuel

"Cant rain all the time."
mel_vin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Aug 13 @ 1:14 PM ET
no he wasn't.

his dad shouldn't expect a damn thing from his son.

- Tumbleweed


I meant from a respect point of view, but I see your point.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Aug 13 @ 1:14 PM ET
They are in such a better position imo.

Since their franchise player is signed for 6M, no-one is saying rantanen should get 10+. Our franchise guy signed at a ridiculous 11.6 so now that's the comparable

- BestRapperAlive


They lucked out on Nathan Mackinnon underachieving, contract-wise. If we were sitting around watching Matthews get under 60 points three years in a row after his rookie season, we wouldn't feel very fortunate regardless of his contract.

That's hockey.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Aug 13 @ 1:22 PM ET
Wow, this all makes sense then...Sheesh you'd think being the highest paid winger would be enough considering he was drafted 4th and not 1st like McDavid.

hope this is just a game of chicken now.

- mel_vin


I think the problem is the media tosses numbers around like empty beer bottles. They get a sniff of something but they don't put any context to it at all. Money vs. term ...UFA vs. RFA years. They're (frank)ing pigeons.

Marner believes that he will be one of the best players in hockey over the next decade. Leafs slot him in as something less than that. Okay, shorter term it is...

Leafs are trying to buy any UFA years they can and MM is trying to avoid that.

Somebody will blink once camp starts but worst case scenario is that both sides have arb rights next year - I think. Get a 1 year place sitter and next year let an arbitrator decide what he's worth.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: LCBO, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Aug 13 @ 1:22 PM ET
This is a crappy scene.

As a Wings fan, I don’t mind seeing it. That said, I have always respected the Buds and don’t get the hate other fans have for them and their fans...seems obsessive after a while.

Anyway, I like watching Marner play, but to turn down (reportedly) the amount of money he has is super greed man. I get the back and forth of: player should get theirs and owners are greedy, etc. But at the end of the day, that’s a boat ton o cash to play for your hometown team. Every 500K extra he asks for is less to go get another player to be a better overall team. It’s also been pointed out a lot, but if he gets traded to a crap market he will lose millions in off ice stuff. Might be the difference of what he’s arguing for.

Lastly, AM, JT he is not. That’s just on the Buds. I’d take a number of players (some who are/where RFA) over Marner. Everyone talks about how he pumped JT stats - in reality, JT has a career year by (roughly) 3pts. Marner jumped up 30 or so playing with JT, who has lifted a lot of mediocre players stats over his time on the Island. Seems like they both benefited from one another, but more so Marner.

- Big23Questions


JT had an extra 10 goals playing with MM.
Marner was bound to improve upon last years, but playing with JT helped. As it should, or else why pay JT all that money.
He'll sign.

eventually
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: It's Mitch Marooner Trading Time!
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 13 @ 1:24 PM ET
Lucas Neilson: The time is now: Maple Leafs to name a Captain and Marner
August ales

- Lucas.Neilson

captain schmaltz has a nice ring to it.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Aug 13 @ 1:25 PM ET
Hyman for Captain.
Best option by far.
Assistants are Rielly and Tavares.

Trade Nylander to fit in Marner's 8 x 11.16mln AAV contract under the cap - killing 2 birds with one stone.

Go Leafs!

- MaximusAurelius

🙄
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 1:27 PM ET
Thats a very good point, so how much does he 'desserve' then ?
- Xizord


realistically..since he is an RFA, lets say he signs for 6 years. I think 9 is fair

Id probably not be upset at 9.5

I predicted he would get just over 10..
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 1:29 PM ET
this is pretty interesting (to me) and why I like the NHLe stuff.

https://twitter.com/Bader...tatus/1161307609531441152

Re: Filip Zadina, Lias Andersson, Casey Mittelstadt

Have to say the Sens may have really made a smart move drafting Braydee kachuck
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This is not about crashing costs for the sake of crashing cost. This is about lip stick. -Spatso
Joined: 06.30.2006

Aug 13 @ 1:35 PM ET
"Cant rain all the time."
- Fakepartofme


Jane Siberry, The Crow soundtrack
LeafnsNxt2Godlyns
Location: It's Mitch Marooner Trading Time!
Joined: 07.20.2006

Aug 13 @ 1:39 PM ET
this is pretty interesting (to me) and why I like the NHLe stuff.

https://twitter.com/Bader...tatus/1161307609531441152

Re: Filip Zadina, Lias Andersson, Casey Mittelstadt

Have to say the Sens may have really made a smart move drafting Braydee kachuck

- senstroll

it's not interesting at all.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Aug 13 @ 1:40 PM ET
This is a crappy scene.

As a Wings fan, I don’t mind seeing it. That said, I have always respected the Buds and don’t get the hate other fans have for them and their fans...seems obsessive after a while.

Anyway, I like watching Marner play, but to turn down (reportedly) the amount of money he has is super greed man. I get the back and forth of: player should get theirs and owners are greedy, etc. But at the end of the day, that’s a boat ton o cash to play for your hometown team. Every 500K extra he asks for is less to go get another player to be a better overall team. It’s also been pointed out a lot, but if he gets traded to a crap market he will lose millions in off ice stuff. Might be the difference of what he’s arguing for.

Lastly, AM, JT he is not. That’s just on the Buds. I’d take a number of players (some who are/where RFA) over Marner. Everyone talks about how he pumped JT stats - in reality, JT has a career year by (roughly) 3pts. Marner jumped up 30 or so playing with JT, who has lifted a lot of mediocre players stats over his time on the Island. Seems like they both benefited from one another, but more so Marner.

- Big23Questions


To be fair, JT’s goals went up 10 over the previous year and 19 from the year before. Also Mitch received more ice time, and obviously playing with a true #1c helps a bit...shouldn’t be held against him. Other players who get paid played with good players too. JMO

Hopefully he signs for a reasonable price and we can stop talking about it.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 1:41 PM ET
it's not interesting at all.
- LeafnsNxt2Godlyns


yes it is
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This is not about crashing costs for the sake of crashing cost. This is about lip stick. -Spatso
Joined: 06.30.2006

Aug 13 @ 1:43 PM ET
yes it is
- senstroll


Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says
BoBBeR56
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Leaf Nation, ON
Joined: 06.30.2010

Aug 13 @ 1:47 PM ET
I'm turning down $10mil X 8 years every single day of the week if I'm Marner because I am simply worth much much more than that.

5 years X $10.5 million is a fair deal on both sides. Maybe Marner gives us an extra year as a favor and goes for 6.

- Njuice


Based on what is Marner with much much more than $10mil per...
lonnyBohonos
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: IL
Joined: 02.02.2017

Aug 13 @ 1:48 PM ET
Agreed.. The Hawks are a smart team.

Also, the Sabres are smart for their ability to make both O'Reilly and Ristolainen lose their passion for hockey.

You just don't hear about that anymore these days. Kudos to the Sabres and their management.

- PatC80


Patrik Berglund forfeited $10MM+ just so he didn't have to play for the sabres anymore.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Aug 13 @ 1:52 PM ET
I think the problem is the media tosses numbers around like empty beer bottles. They get a sniff of something but they don't put any context to it at all. Money vs. term ...UFA vs. RFA years. They're (frank)ing pigeons.

Marner believes that he will be one of the best players in hockey over the next decade. Leafs slot him in as something less than that. Okay, shorter term it is...

Leafs are trying to buy any UFA years they can and MM is trying to avoid that.

Somebody will blink once camp starts but worst case scenario is that both sides have arb rights next year - I think. Get a 1 year place sitter and next year let an arbitrator decide what he's worth.

- The Law


I'm curious to see what happens in September, if either side opts out of the current CBA.

If they do, I think that greatly benefits the leafs in the Marner negotiations. The idea of missing out on an entire years pay due to lockout would be enough pressure on Marner to bridge the gap and get a long term deal signed.

PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Aug 13 @ 1:54 PM ET
Patrik Berglund forfeited $10MM+ just so he didn't have to play for the sabres anymore.
- lonnyBohonos


See, that's genius.. Targeting players until they lose their passion for hockey.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: LCBO, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Aug 13 @ 1:54 PM ET
there is just no way with players like Kucherov and Stone signing for 9.5 and aho 8.5
that mitch should get the numbers his side is reported to be asking for

im tired of talking about this

- senstroll

Kuch signed a while ago and is older
Stone is older and overpaid - has never sniffed 80pts let alone 90. Not a comparable.

Aho's contract should lower marners per year average.

hopefully.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Aug 13 @ 1:55 PM ET
there is just no way with players like Kucherov and Stone signing for 9.5 and aho 8.5
that mitch should get the numbers his side is reported to be asking for

im tired of talking about this

- senstroll


I really doubt he's even asking for the numbers being reported.

The issue has always been term. Marner wants to prove he's the best in the game and so if the Leafs want to buy UFA years they'll have to pay him as the best or they'll have to relent and take him for 3 years or less.

RFA numbers are easier to negotiate ...less of a divide. I think Stone got the largest "RFA year only" figure when he got $7.35 on a 1 yr deal. That was his last RFA year so he had a lot of leverage. Stone was an elite winger when he signed that deal but maybe Marner has an argument for a little more $$. I would think that the 3 year numbers would be about ~7.5 or 8.0 at most.
RippedFuel
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 11.01.2016

Aug 13 @ 1:56 PM ET
Patrik Berglund forfeited $10MM+ just so he didn't have to play for the sabres anymore.
- lonnyBohonos


Berglund was just on The Fan 590 and said hes always wanted to be a Leaf
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 1:56 PM ET
Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says
- Aetherial


is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: LCBO, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Aug 13 @ 1:57 PM ET
Jane Siberry, The Crow soundtrack
- Aetherial

Well done.



Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Aug 13 @ 1:58 PM ET
Patrik Berglund forfeited $10MM+ just so he didn't have to play for the sabres anymore.
- lonnyBohonos


Growing up, I used to watch Commander Tom on Saturday mornings for the cartoons. It was a Buffalo station. Every weekend, during commercial breaks, I used to hear, "A fire rages in downtown Tonawanda, more on news at noon" ALL the time.

. . .and as a seven or eight year old child, I remember thinking, "Someone should put that fire out."

Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: LCBO, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Aug 13 @ 1:58 PM ET
Growing up, I used to watch Commander Tom on Saturday mornings for the cartoons. It was a Buffalo station. Every weekend, during commercial breaks, I used to hear, "A fire rages in downtown Tonawanda, more on news at noon" ALL the time.

. . .and as a seven or eight year old child, I remember thinking, "Someone should put that fire out."

- Monkeypunk

lol
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