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PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Aug 13 @ 2:00 PM ET
Growing up, I used to watch Commander Tom on Saturday mornings for the cartoons. It was a Buffalo station. Every weekend, during commercial breaks, I used to hear, "A fire rages in downtown Tonawanda, more on news at noon" ALL the time.

. . .and as a seven or eight year old child, I remember thinking, "Someone should put that fire out."

- Monkeypunk





I guess it hasn't stopped.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Aug 13 @ 2:01 PM ET
I'm curious to see what happens in September, if either side opts out of the current CBA.

If they do, I think that greatly benefits the leafs in the Marner negotiations. The idea of missing out on an entire years pay due to lockout would be enough pressure on Marner to bridge the gap and get a long term deal signed.

- Leafs43


I think if either side triggers the opt out this September then the CBA ends summer 2020 instead of 2022. Maybe that impacts the term that these RFA's want to sign for ...maybe they want to wait to see if either side opts out?

Haven't heard much about it from the talking heads.
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 2:02 PM ET
Kuch signed a while ago and is older
Stone is older and overpaid - has never sniffed 80pts let alone 90. Not a comparable.

Aho's contract should lower marners per year average.

hopefully.

- Fakepartofme



Kucherov and Stone are both better players..now (if you care about contributions to winning Offensivly and defensively and not just points). and signed away UFA years.



The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Aug 13 @ 2:05 PM ET
Kuch signed a while ago and is older
Stone is older and overpaid - has never sniffed 80pts let alone 90. Not a comparable.

Aho's contract should lower marners per year average.

hopefully.

- Fakepartofme


Kuch's deal starts this year. It's 2019 $$$. But I agree he was selling years 26 - 33 whereas Marner is selling years 22- ...



lonnyBohonos
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: IL
Joined: 02.02.2017

Aug 13 @ 2:06 PM ET
Berglund was just on The Fan 590 and said hes always wanted to be a Leaf
- RippedFuel


Garth, I can see you through the reverse peephole
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Aug 13 @ 2:07 PM ET
I think if either side triggers the opt out this September then the CBA ends summer 2020 instead of 2022. Maybe that impacts the term that these RFA's want to sign for ...maybe they want to wait to see if either side opts out?

Haven't heard much about it from the talking heads.

- The Law


That's what I'm thinking. If neither side opts out everything continues as usual. If one of them does opt out, the risk of a lockout in 2020/2021 may push these RFAs to sacrifice cap dollars and term in favour of a guaranteed bonus during the possible lockout.

Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I could probably easily be a better GM than 10 or so guys who are currently employed." Tanner , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 13 @ 2:09 PM ET
Matthews isn't a leader.
Captain has nothing to do with being best player on the team.
He's a kid - need a more mature and balanced person for the C.

- MaximusAurelius


Don’t need a letter to be a leader. Give it to Matthews. JT will do JT things in the locker room anyway v
senstroll
Location: Sens Suck, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 13 @ 2:10 PM ET
Kuch's deal starts this year. It's 2019 $$$. But I agree he was selling years 26 - 33 whereas Marner is selling years 22- ...
- The Law


but also how many RFA vs UFA years
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Aug 13 @ 2:11 PM ET
Kucherov and Stone are both better players..now (if you care about contributions to winning Offensivly and defensively and not just points). and signed away UFA years.
- senstroll


It's tough to know for sure but I think those UFA years are bigger ...but then by age 33? or so they probably start bringing the AAV down due to science/age type poop.

So maybe peak earning years are after RFA years and before decline ....maybe 27-31.

Hoping that logic works in any Muzzin and/or Barrie negotiations.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Aug 13 @ 2:12 PM ET
That's what I'm thinking. If neither side opts out everything continues as usual. If one of them does opt out, the risk of a lockout in 2020/2021 may push these RFAs to sacrifice cap dollars and term in favour of a guaranteed bonus during the possible lockout.
- Leafs43


Very true ...
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Aug 13 @ 2:14 PM ET
but also how many RFA vs UFA years
- senstroll


Yup ...think I was saying the same thing in my other posts. Earning is limited by RFA designation ...then they hit best earning years ....then it's limited by the science of aging (and marriage/kids/beer/golf/etc....).
RippedFuel
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 11.01.2016

Aug 13 @ 2:16 PM ET
Matthews isn't a leader.
Captain has nothing to do with being best player on the team.
He's a kid - need a more mature and balanced person for the C.

- MaximusAurelius



I agree with this. The way Matthews pouted and sulked after all the recent playoff losses is a troubling sign. Complained about his ice time, then pouted.

Basically said "we would have won if I would have played more".

That's not a guy Id want wearing the C.
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Aug 13 @ 2:25 PM ET
They're going to wait for Matthews to lose all his hair before he gets the C, just like they did with Sundin.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Aug 13 @ 2:27 PM ET
I agree with this. The way Matthews pouted and sulked after all the recent playoff losses is a troubling sign. Complained about his ice time, then pouted.

Basically said "we would have won if I would have played more".

That's not a guy Id want wearing the C.

- RippedFuel



Well done, for all your hard work and dedication you deserve this;

RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Aug 13 @ 2:28 PM ET
I agree with this. The way Matthews pouted and sulked after all the recent playoff losses is a troubling sign. Complained about his ice time, then pouted.

Basically said "we would have won if I would have played more".

That's not a guy Id want wearing the C.

- RippedFuel


Never once did he complain about ice-time. He was asked directly about it and did not answer.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Aug 13 @ 2:31 PM ET
Never once did he complain about ice-time. He was asked directly about it and did not answer.
- RogerRoeper



It's far more fun to just make random poop up.

Like saying the Sabres are good or that Eichel is a good captain. See? It's funny..
RippedFuel
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 11.01.2016

Aug 13 @ 2:32 PM ET
Never once did he complain about ice-time. He was asked directly about it and did not answer.
- RogerRoeper


Wrong. The articles were out there. He complained and pouted so much that the coach had to make a special trip to his home to talk him off the ledge.

Lets not revise history.
Big23Questions
Detroit Red Wings
Joined: 04.11.2018

Aug 13 @ 2:33 PM ET
Based on what? Marner has led the team in scoring 2 years in a row and trending upward. He's also very good defensively.
- BestRapperAlive


Just my opinion, man. I think Marner is electric and exciting to watch. I just think AM and JT are better players.

- JT has been a star in the league for years. Constantly putting up good numbers. He’s made players around him better his whole career, not just one season. Also good enough for Team Canada is pretty solid reasoning also.

- AM scores. He’s a Centre. He scores at 5v5. Not too sure the stat but since coming into the league he’s amongst the top 3 I think. He stronger along the boards. I get position dictates, but he doesn’t play anyone near as talented as JT. (Respectfully). Maybe a stretch as another point, but 1st overall pick.

- Marner kills penalties, absolutely. I don’t think his 5v5 defensive game is dominent though. Just average. His PK is good for sure. He’s great at using his offensive anticipation/read when he’s on the PK.

I suppose I’m gonna show my age by looking at it this way, but I still believe players should be paid on merit/what they show consistently vs what they are thought to be capable of. I guess a mix of those thoughts is probably the best.

Again, I like watching Marner play and he’s a real good player, just not worth being paid like the other 2. At least not yet.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Other than for the screw up on Laine the Leafs are making great moves. spatso
Joined: 03.14.2014

Aug 13 @ 2:37 PM ET
Wrong. The articles were out there. He complained and pouted so much that the coach had to make a special trip to his home to talk him off the ledge.

Lets not revise history.

- RippedFuel


gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Aug 13 @ 2:41 PM ET
Wrong. The articles were out there. He complained and pouted so much that the coach had to make a special trip to his home to talk him off the ledge.

Lets not revise history.

- RippedFuel

He's no Latvian Locomotive or Snipeshow.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Aug 13 @ 2:47 PM ET
He's no Latvian Locomotive or Snipeshow.
- gergeswillems


Who Matthews?

Agreed, he's definitely no Ivan Viagraov
RippedFuel
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 11.01.2016

Aug 13 @ 2:49 PM ET
Who Matthews?

Agreed, he's definitely no Ivan Viagraov

- PatC80


If he doesn't lead the Leafs to at least ONE playoff win, shouldn't we all question as to why he keeps vanishing in the playoffs?

Once is a coincidence....
Twice is a trend..

whats four years in a row?? its starting to become concerning.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Aug 13 @ 2:52 PM ET
If Eichel doesn't lead the Sabres to at least ONE playoff round, shouldn't we all question as to why he keeps vanishing?

Once is a coincidence....
Twice is a trend..

whats five years in a row?? its starting to become concerning.

- RippedFuel


Agreed, Eichel's leadership needs to be questioned.

RippedFuel
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 11.01.2016

Aug 13 @ 2:54 PM ET
Agreed, Eichel's leadership needs to be questioned.
- PatC80


Not in the least...THAT guy..is a winner....total monster on the ice.

Never vanishes...never.
JohnFergusonJr
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Trading away the best we got
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 13 @ 2:57 PM ET
Not in the least...THAT guy..is a winner....total monster on the ice.

Never vanishes...never.

- RippedFuel


Can't vanish when he doesn't even appear in the playoffs.
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