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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 15 @ 12:23 PM ET
It's almost, almost...as if there is a direct correlation between carrying the puck frequently and the amount of giveaways you amass.
- RhinoFan


wha...what?
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 15 @ 12:24 PM ET
People are confusing 1-dimensional for 2-way forward for sure

He's Marchand-lite with his ability to get under players' skin, he's fast, he scores goals and he draws penalties. There are some dimensions.

So he's a pesky, fast, penalty drawing, goal-scoring one dimensional machine I guess

- jcragcrumple


Ding, ding, ding...what do we have for em Johnny?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Aug 15 @ 12:25 PM ET
Ding, ding, ding...what do we have for em Johnny?
- RhinoFan



A Meet-and-Greet with Zemgus Girgensons and Johan Larsson.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 15 @ 12:26 PM ET
wha...what?
- TheSabresTaco


Ok ok ok.

So it's like this.

If you eat 10 tacos a day, you're more likely to get hot sauce on your shirt.

If you don't eat tacos, no hot sauce issues.

It may look like the non-taco eating, clean shirt wearing individual is having a better time.

They aren't. They have no tacos. The lack of sauce is coincidental.

That's all I got today.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 15 @ 12:26 PM ET
The giveaway/takeaway argument, to me, is a lot like the hits category. Analytics have started to figure out that if you have a large number of hits, it means you don't have the puck a lot, which usually means you aren't a good team. Conversely, if you have a lot of giveaways, it means you do have the puck a lot, which is good. That's not to say that giveaways themselves are good. They're obviously not, but the increased possession generally outweighs the negative effects that giveaways have.
- buffalofan19


Matt (frank)ing Ellis says bang on.

The giveaways stat is as useless as +/-. It can only be used, in any situation, as a small piece of the big puzzle. Takeaways, while also not all-encompassing, is a much more useful stat, but also a small piece of the puzzle.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 15 @ 12:26 PM ET
A Meet-and-Greet with Zemgus Girgensons and Johan Larsson.
- buffalofan19


There's always next year.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 15 @ 12:27 PM ET
A Meet-and-Greet with Zemgus Girgensons and Johan Larsson.
- buffalofan19


sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 15 @ 12:27 PM ET
I believe Rod Brind’Amour and the management group there wanted him gone due to the fact he doesn’t come back past his own blue line but yea he can deposit a feed from Eichel so all is well.

I don’t expect to hear a negative peep out of this board over the next 8 seasons regarding his play and eventual cap hit that’s all I know.

- Swedish_Jesus

He had 37 goals 2 years ago

This is such a bizarre argument
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 15 @ 12:28 PM ET
Ok ok ok.

So it's like this.

If you eat 10 tacos a day, you're more likely to get hot sauce on your shirt.

If you don't eat tacos, no hot sauce issues.

It may look like the non-taco eating, clean shirt wearing individual is having a better time.

They aren't. They have no tacos. The lack of sauce is coincidental.

That's all I got today.

- RhinoFan


This is the kind of logic that should be used in hockey analytics and highschool text books. I'd have a 4.0 forever.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Aug 15 @ 12:28 PM ET
Ding, ding, ding...what do we have for em Johnny?
- RhinoFan




A 9-year, all expenses paid trip to the saltiest place on earth. Total prize package worth $72 million dollars
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I would pick Heiskanen and Provorov over Dahlin. But still not in my top 10. - MaximusAurelius, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 15 @ 12:29 PM ET


An 9-year, all expenses paid trip to the saltiest place on earth. Total prize package worth $72 million dollars

- jcragcrumple




That doesn't look like Lockport
Stripes77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Aug 15 @ 12:29 PM ET
Ok ok ok.

So it's like this.

If you eat 10 tacos a day, you're more likely to get hot sauce on your shirt.

If you don't eat tacos, no hot sauce issues.

It may look like the non-taco eating, clean shirt wearing individual is having a better time.

They aren't. They have no tacos. The lack of sauce is coincidental.

That's all I got today.

- RhinoFan


This is by far the best analogy I have ever read

Well done
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 15 @ 12:31 PM ET
Removing Jeff Skinner vaulted the Canes to the playoffs

Holy hell this is something
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 15 @ 12:34 PM ET
This is the kind of logic that should be used in hockey analytics and highschool text books. I'd have a 4.0 forever.
- TheSabresTaco


It's all about finding ways to motivate the kids and make learning more like eating tacos.
Stripes77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Aug 15 @ 12:34 PM ET
Removing Jeff Skinner vaulted the Canes to the playoffs

Holy hell this is something

- sbroads24



I really can't with that argument

It's the craziest thing

If the only thing that changed was Skinner being traded then I would at least listen to it with an open mind

But better coaching, much better goaltending, a 20 point improvement from Aho, and like 5 major players from the previous year were traded

But no it's Jeff Skinner's fault
Bufsaints8
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: TN
Joined: 07.20.2012

Aug 15 @ 12:35 PM ET
Summing up my thoughts/opinions on the subject.

Skinner is not elite defensively, or even good defensively when he actually has to play defense in the defensive zone. The reason he and his linemates get so many O zone starts is so he doesn't have to play defense in the traditional sense of the term, not because he's so bad it per say, but because he is an elite scorer that we want to have the puck in the o zone. When his line is controlling the puck in the o zone essentially he is paying defense because the other team doesn't have the puck to play offense. Also, o zone takeaways is a part of playing defense. It is taking who know's how many future scoring chances from the opponent. This is why offensive zone possession numbers have been a huge point of emphasis in the modern NHL.

Skinner scores goals and drives offense, that's what he does. Eichel drives possession, moves the puck with his legs and sets linemates up, that's what he does. I don't care how many assists Skinner does or doesn't have. That's not who he is and that's not what got him paid 9MM. He is elite. It would have cost a TON to replace him. Had we not replaced him we would have been far worse off. His stats say so, the "eye test" says so. Now, they just need to keep developing the youth and building around the top end talent they have.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 15 @ 12:35 PM ET
Guys, the New York Islanders went to the playoffs after losing John Tavares.

You know what that means....
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Aug 15 @ 12:37 PM ET
Guys, the New York Islanders went to the playoffs after losing John Tavares.

You know what that means....

- sbroads24



I'm going to be evil, here.

The Toronto Maple Leafs also underperformed with John Tavares.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Aug 15 @ 12:39 PM ET
I really can't with that argument

It's the craziest thing

If the only thing that changed was Skinner being traded then I would at least listen to it with an open mind

But better coaching, much better goaltending, a 20 point improvement from Aho, and like 5 major players from the previous year were traded

But no it's Jeff Skinner's fault

- Stripes77


The problem is that wingers don't matter, and if they hypothetically did (they dont), he's not good enough to be one of the ones who could matter, if it were possible for them to matter, which it isn't
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Aug 15 @ 12:40 PM ET
Guys, the New York Islanders went to the playoffs after losing John Tavares.

You know what that means....

- sbroads24

robin lehner is elite
PrinceChill
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.06.2014

Aug 15 @ 12:41 PM ET
Removing Jeff Skinner vaulted the Canes to the playoffs

Holy hell this is something

- sbroads24

Removing Tage Thompson vaulted the Blues to a Stanley Cup championship.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Aug 15 @ 12:43 PM ET
Removing Tage Thompson vaulted the Blues to a Stanley Cup championship.
- PrinceChill


No, but removing Ocho Cinco probably did
Stripes77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Aug 15 @ 12:44 PM ET
The problem is that wingers don't matter, and if they hypothetically did (they dont), he's not good enough to be one of the ones who could matter, if it were possible for them to matter, which it isn't
- jcragcrumple



Like why even be a winger?

They basically do nothing

SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Aug 15 @ 12:45 PM ET
No, but removing Ocho Cinco probably did
- jcragcrumple

removing ROR vaulted buffalo like 5 places up the standings...
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Aug 15 @ 12:50 PM ET
People are confusing 1-dimensional for 2-way forward for sure

He's Marchand-lite with his ability to get under players' skin, he's fast, he scores goals and he draws penalties. There are some dimensions.

So he's a pesky, fast, penalty drawing, goal-scoring one dimensional machine I guess

- jcragcrumple


I think it means there's no consensus here on what a dimension is. Before the debates here the last few weeks, I always considered scoring, setting up scoring, and defense as the 3 dimensions. That makes Skinner one dimensional. I didn't invent this. I think this is generally how it's discussed and written about. If you consider forechecking or drawing penalties as dimensions, then there's a lot of dimensions in your universe, and very few players would be considered one dimensional. Girgensons is a strong forechecker, Larsson draws penalties....are they really not one dimensional?
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