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MikeyKay
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 05.24.2017

Aug 14 @ 11:41 AM ET
His career 82 game average is 21.25 goals. Why should he be expected to get 25+?
- Feds91Stammer


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PghPens668771
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.26.2013

Aug 14 @ 11:44 AM ET
One thing about Galchenyuk is that he hasn't really played with any high-powered offenses in his career. He obviously is not the type of player that makes a bad team significantly better but perhaps he can fit in well on an already good team. We'll see.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 14 @ 11:57 AM ET
His career 82 game average is 21.25 goals. Why should he be expected to get 25+?
- Feds91Stammer


If he put up 19 last year in 72 games with the Coyotes, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility to put up 25 if he plays with Malkin or Crosby and gets sufficient PP time.

Edit: Assuming he plays 72+ games.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 14 @ 12:13 PM ET
If he put up 19 last year in 72 games with the Coyotes, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility to put up 25 if he plays with Malkin or Crosby and gets sufficient PP time.

Edit: Assuming he plays 72+ games.

- jmatchett383

Obviously it’s possible but why should it be expected?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 14 @ 12:15 PM ET
Obviously it’s possible but why should it be expected?
- Feds91Stammer


How many goals do you expect if he plays 75 games primarily with Crosby or Malkin and gets PP1 time?
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Aug 14 @ 12:19 PM ET
How many goals do you expect if he plays 75 games primarily with Crosby or Malkin and gets PP1 time?
- jmatchett383

21.25

Apparently QoT and deployment doesn’t matter 😂
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 14 @ 12:19 PM ET
How many goals do you expect if he plays 75 games primarily with Crosby or Malkin and gets PP1 time?
- jmatchett383

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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 14 @ 12:21 PM ET
21.25

Apparently QoT and deployment doesn’t matter 😂

- WSCTeton17

Lmao
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Aug 14 @ 12:33 PM ET
21.25

Apparently QoT and deployment doesn’t matter 😂

- WSCTeton17


https://www.pensburgh.com...l-trade-nhl-stats-arizona

There's evidence in this article (and many others) that shows that.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Aug 14 @ 12:36 PM ET
Sidney Crosby averages 105 points per season for his career. Let’s give into Grinder’s wishes and play him with Tanev and ZAR. He’ll find a way to get to the century mark 🥳
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Aug 14 @ 12:56 PM ET
https://www.pensburgh.com/2019/7/1/20677043/what-to-expect-from-alex-galchenyuk-now-that-he-is-a-penguin-phil-kessel-trade-nhl-stats-arizona

There's evidence in this article (and many others) that shows that.

- j.boyd919

All of these arguments are fantastic when there isn’t much context given. David Perron also played in Pittsburgh in the Mike Johnston era so let that sink in

Let me put it this way: why is it ok for RW and others to say that Dahlin is guaranteed to improve now that a coaching change / player personnel change has occurred but the same can’t be said for another player? “Because he’s a rookie”

Alex Galchenyuk lead that anemic offense in goal scoring while playing mostly with a 4th line winger as his center where they were second in the league in injuries. Anyone who thinks that isn’t an outlier probably isn’t worth listening to. His pace the prior 3 seasons: 51, 59, 56. So is it crazy to “expect” for him to produce like he’s done before? I don’t think so

How about TOI? That’s obviously a big part of deployment. He’s filling in for Kessel at ES, right? That’s the hope? So why wouldn’t we assume that he’s going to get the same ES TOI as Phil... wouldn’t that lead to more production? So take a 3-year average (taking out last year as an obvious outlier) and allocate it at 14 minutes at ES and what kind of production do you get? When I did it before I believe I arrived at ~40 points. Take his PPP average of 20 over that same time frame and you arrive at... 60 points. Cray cray
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 14 @ 1:00 PM ET
All of these arguments are fantastic when there isn’t much context given. David Perron also played in Pittsburgh in the Mike Johnston era so let that sink in

Let me put it this way: why is it ok for RW and others to say that Dahlin is guaranteed to improve now that a coaching change / player personnel change has occurred but the same can’t be said for another player? “Because he’s a rookie”

Alex Galchenyuk lead that anemic offense in goal scoring while playing mostly with a 4th line winger as his center where they were second in the league in injuries. Anyone who thinks that isn’t an outlier probably isn’t worth listening to. His pace the prior 3 seasons: 51, 59, 56. So is it crazy to “expect” for him to produce like he’s done before? I don’t think so

How about TOI? That’s obviously a big part of deployment. He’s filling in for Kessel at ES, right? That’s the hope? So why wouldn’t we assume that he’s going to get the same ES TOI as Phil... wouldn’t that lead to more production? So take a 3-year average (taking out last year as an obvious outlier) and allocate it at 14 minutes at ES and what kind of production do you get? When I did it before I believe I arrived at ~40 points. Take his PPP average of 20 over that same time frame and you arrive at... 60 points. Cray cray

- WSCTeton17

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stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Aug 14 @ 1:03 PM ET
All of these arguments are fantastic when there isn’t much context given. David Perron also played in Pittsburgh in the Mike Johnston era so let that sink in

Let me put it this way: why is it ok for RW and others to say that Dahlin is guaranteed to improve now that a coaching change / player personnel change has occurred but the same can’t be said for another player? “Because he’s a rookie”

Alex Galchenyuk lead that anemic offense in goal scoring while playing mostly with a 4th line winger as his center where they were second in the league in injuries. Anyone who thinks that isn’t an outlier probably isn’t worth listening to. His pace the prior 3 seasons: 51, 59, 56. So is it crazy to “expect” for him to produce like he’s done before? I don’t think so

How about TOI? That’s obviously a big part of deployment. He’s filling in for Kessel at ES, right? That’s the hope? So why wouldn’t we assume that he’s going to get the same ES TOI as Phil... wouldn’t that lead to more production? So take a 3-year average (taking out last year as an obvious outlier) and allocate it at 14 minutes at ES and what kind of production do you get? When I did it before I believe I arrived at ~40 points. Take his PPP average of 20 over that same time frame and you arrive at... 60 points. Cray cray

- WSCTeton17



Because he was involved in the Kessel trade and RW is butt hurt about it. He could score a million goals and the Pens with the cup and RWs article the next day will be a graph showing that Kessel was better at controlled entries.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Aug 14 @ 1:09 PM ET
Because he was involved in the Kessel trade and RW is butt hurt about it. He could score a million goals and the Pens with the cup and RWs article the next day will be a graph showing that Kessel was better at controlled entries.
- stackthepads


I don’t think RW ever really pumped Kessel’s tires like that so that seems like an odd statement to make.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 14 @ 1:11 PM ET
“I’m not biased, I just remove specific data from a relevant data set to get the results I desire.” - Long Winded Poster of Garbage
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Aug 14 @ 1:12 PM ET
All of these arguments are fantastic when there isn’t much context given. David Perron also played in Pittsburgh in the Mike Johnston era so let that sink in

Let me put it this way: why is it ok for RW and others to say that Dahlin is guaranteed to improve now that a coaching change / player personnel change has occurred but the same can’t be said for another player? “Because he’s a rookie”

Alex Galchenyuk lead that anemic offense in goal scoring while playing mostly with a 4th line winger as his center where they were second in the league in injuries. Anyone who thinks that isn’t an outlier probably isn’t worth listening to. His pace the prior 3 seasons: 51, 59, 56. So is it crazy to “expect” for him to produce like he’s done before? I don’t think so

How about TOI? That’s obviously a big part of deployment. He’s filling in for Kessel at ES, right? That’s the hope? So why wouldn’t we assume that he’s going to get the same ES TOI as Phil... wouldn’t that lead to more production? So take a 3-year average (taking out last year as an obvious outlier) and allocate it at 14 minutes at ES and what kind of production do you get? When I did it before I believe I arrived at ~40 points. Take his PPP average of 20 over that same time frame and you arrive at... 60 points. Cray cray

- WSCTeton17


“Long story short on Alex Galchenyuk: He is a pretty good player that is probably going to continue to be a pretty good player and nothing more. If I were a betting man, I would say he finishes the 2019-20 season with a perfectly normal and expected 20-goal, 50-55-point Alex Galchenyuk-type of season.”

The article literally concludes with expecting him to produce like he has before. You wasted a lot of words to argue nothing.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Aug 14 @ 1:15 PM ET
I really like his game. I know Vic is a big fan (did you know Vic and Ruhwedel have the same birthday?)

I would call his shot elite but as RW pointed out he hasn’t always played with guys who put him in positions to score. That was by far the biggest weakness for he entire Coyotes roster. It wasn’t that they had bad shooters, it’s that they weren’t being setup for prime time shots. Chucky isn’t going to drive play on his own but he’s not going to be a drag either. Every once in a while he will flat out turn someone inside out. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he is a perfect fit playing with Sid and Guentzel and goes for 30/35 and perhaps even more. I wouldn’t call him incredibly fast but he’s not slow, slightly above average. He’s a much better winger than center. Anyone who thinks he’s a decent center (Tanner) is dreaming!

- WSCTeton17

I've been seeing a few places suggest the best spot for Galchenyuk might be with Sid. I have to disagree about him being a drag on possession, too much data says he is. There is some support for what you've been saying about him getting more gritty though.

Anyways, playing with Sid's group, you can hide a bad possession player if he can finish because everyone else on that unit is a good possession player. Might be better than on Malkin's group where a trio of Malkin, Galchenyuk, and Schultz is high on skill but as two guys who drag possession and Malkin is only slightly positive at this point. Puts a lot of pressure on the other 2 guys to balance it out.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Aug 14 @ 1:18 PM ET
With the way Bjorkvist is training and how big he's getting, I'd like to think his chances go up a bit.
- nateca44

Others have said it too, but for Bjorkvist the question is skill. His conditioning obviously won't hold him back, but it might limit him to a bottom 6 role.

Pronman's rankings are weighed towards skill.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 14 @ 1:20 PM ET
Others have said it too, but for Bjorkvist the question is skill. His conditioning obviously won't hold him back, but it might limit him to a bottom 6 role.

Pronman's rankings are weighed towards skill.

- Tojo.

That post also ignores the fact that all the other prospects are training too.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Aug 14 @ 1:26 PM ET
Oh I agree with that haha. I don’t believe charts and graphs are the only way either. I welcome blogs that show video of how things were executed. One reason why I’m a big fan of Jesse at the Athletic. I wish RW would do more video analysis. He does it like once in a blue moon but I honestly think he’s over writing for HB and just does it as supplemental income (even though I’m sure it’s a tiny amount. I don’t know how they get paid).

But his blogs have suffered a lot in the last year and a half. He used to provide a more video analysis and I wish he’d spend the dog days of summer doing more of that. Examine Arizona’s PP with Galch, show misreads by JJ if you want to best that horse, find examples of why the Simon/Bjugstad/Horny line worked well, poop like that.

In the summer we don’t need daily blogs, now is the time to highlight some substance. One guess would be access to game tapes.

- j.boyd919

Jesse's articles are great. Although I wish it wasn't behind a paywall, I'm glad he's getting some more money for his efforts.

Agree on RW. His stuff was really good a couple years ago and every now and again he pulls it out. He just doesn't have the same passion for his blog he used to. Oh well, it's just hockeybuzz.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Aug 14 @ 1:35 PM ET
That post also ignores the fact that all the other prospects are training too.
- Feds91Stammer

I was assuming he was referring to the fact that Bjorkvist is basically breaking all their team lifting/fitness records this off-season. Guy is a physical freak, but that will only take him so far.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Aug 14 @ 1:39 PM ET
I've been seeing a few places suggest the best spot for Galchenyuk might be with Sid. I have to disagree about him being a drag on possession, too much data says he is. There is some support for what you've been saying about him getting more gritty though.

Anyways, playing with Sid's group, you can hide a bad possession player if he can finish because everyone else on that unit is a good possession player. Might be better than on Malkin's group where a trio of Malkin, Galchenyuk, and Schultz is high on skill but as two guys who drag possession and Malkin is only slightly positive at this point. Puts a lot of pressure on the other 2 guys to balance it out.

- Tojo.

I think he’d be a great fit on the top line but we’ll see. Hockey Ref shows he’s a career 50.5 CF% player so I just don’t get the whole he’s a drag thing. My opinions can 100% be swayed I just need to see it. One thing that bothers me a lot is his possession quality has been negative the last 3 years
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 14 @ 1:41 PM ET
I think he’d be a great fit on the top line but we’ll see. Hockey Ref shows he’s a career 50.5 CF% player so I just don’t get the whole he’s a drag thing. My opinions can 100% be swayed I just need to see it. One thing that bothers me a lot is his possession quality has been negative the last 3 years
- WSCTeton17

So 20 goals and 50-55 points is a fair expectation no?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 14 @ 1:42 PM ET
I was assuming he was referring to the fact that Bjorkvist is basically breaking all their team lifting/fitness records this off-season. Guy is a physical freak, but that will only take him so far.
- Tojo.

True enough. I’m just pointing out all the other guys are training hard too. And the peer group he is going up against only gets bigger as he goes pro.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Aug 14 @ 1:45 PM ET
Jesse's articles are great. Although I wish it wasn't behind a paywall, I'm glad he's getting some more money for his efforts.

Agree on RW. His stuff was really good a couple years ago and every now and again he pulls it out. He just doesn't have the same passion for his blog he used to. Oh well, it's just hockeybuzz.

- Tojo.


Honestly I just don’t think RW has evolved. Most artists/writers try to get better at their craft. I haven’t seen anything in his articles that pushes anything new. If analytics is his ball game there are countless guys on Twitter that have no stuff to study but he pretty much sticks to the same old rinse and repeat articles. It’d be nice to see him link videos with his charts. It would give his work some substance.
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