James Tanner: Coyotes Lock Up Clayton Keller Long Term

I am hearing this is apparently a great deal for Arizona , but those same people will say Nylander is millions overpaid and Dubas got bent over at 6.9 per.
Nylander's stats are better with less TOI and less PP time...

it's a great deal for AZ

I am hearing this is apparently a great deal for Arizona , but those same people will say Nylander is millions overpaid and Dubas got bent over at 6.9 per.
Nylander's stats are better with less TOI and less PP time...
- RogerRoeper

The Nylander deal is just as good. If it was eight years it would be even better because Nylander is a better player than Keller.

when people compare RFA contracts to those that UFA's got they lose all credibility, not that Tanner had much to begin with

What I like about this deal is what Chycrun avoids. Dubas could have signed Mariner for 8 yrs at 8 mil per last year. He decided to wait and see. Chycrun avoids the disaster of a long summer

when people compare RFA contracts to those that UFA's got they lose all credibility, not that Tanner had much to begin with
- jimbro83

I don't really give a rat's ass about my credibility, but what you're doing is making a very bad mistake that several people make.

When you look at wins or goals at the end of the year, does it matter if they were scored by rookies, Free agents or RFAs?

No it does not.

You can think of the NHL as a game of salary cap moves where hockey is then played to determine if those moves are right.

Getting value on players is the #1 priority of any GM, and whether you get that value from a restricted free agent or an unrestricted one, it doesn't matter.

If the Coyotes and Flyers each pay the same price for a player, how those players came to that price is irrelevant. The Coyotes are going now have an advantage over the Flyers as each team fills out the rest of it's roster.

What I like about this deal is what Chycrun avoids. Dubas could have signed Mariner for 8 yrs at 8 mil per last year. He decided to wait and see. Chycrun avoids the disaster of a long summer
- Jlaura76

Damn auto correct. Chyaka I mean

What I like about this deal is what Chycrun avoids. Dubas could have signed Mariner for 8 yrs at 8 mil per last year. He decided to wait and see. Chycrun avoids the disaster of a long summer
- Jlaura76

I was thinking about that too, but we just don't know. I think Kyle Dubas has shown enough that we should assume that he tried to sign all three of his big players to value deals before their ELCs ran out.

Problem was that Matthews and Marner were no-doubt franchise players from the get go. Keller at least has some reason to trade some dollars for security.

Damn auto correct. Chyaka I mean
- Jlaura76

Forget it. I will never spell it right

What I like about this deal is what Chycrun avoids. Dubas could have signed Mariner for 8 yrs at 8 mil per last year. He decided to wait and see. Chycrun avoids the disaster of a long summer
- Jlaura76

According to Steve Simmons. Pierre Lebrun disputed that and said the opposite on TSN yesterday.

I advocated for someone to try this for years, and Chakya is actually doing it

lol @ someone

it's almost as if there hasn't been several GMs around the league who've done this with several players already

Scored 60+ points (65) as a rookie and then just under 50 (47) his second year on a bad team. So, basically, the same career trajectory as Alexei Yashin (79, 44). Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

However, there are levels of "bad" teams: over Yashin's first 2 seasons, the Senators won a total of 21 games to Kellers' 68.

I am hearing this is apparently a great deal for Arizona , but those same people will say Nylander is millions overpaid and Dubas got bent over at 6.9 per.
Nylander's stats are better with less TOI and less PP time...
- RogerRoeper

You're to smart to post this drivel....

You're to smart to post this drivel....
- dozerD10

First 2 full years:


Willy: 16:21, 42gls, 122pts, .26gpg, .75ppg
Keller: 18:10, 37gls, 112pts, .23gpg, .68ppg

Of course the immediate knee-jerk reaction is to compare the contract to UFA Kevin Hayes. Totally predictable. And totally irrelevant.

Why not compare this approach with others coming off an ELC? And then contrast the approach of a 7-year deal leading to UFA status versus a 2-3 year bridge to RFA status leaving the team with the leverage to then offer a 7-8 year extension. Sometimes that backfires (Subban). Sometimes it helps.

But out comes Kevin Hayes and Brock Nelson. Haha. Why not MacKinnon or Barkov or Couterier?

First 2 full years:


Willy: 16:21, 42gls, 122pts, .26gpg, .75ppg
Keller: 18:10, 37gls, 112pts, .23gpg, .68ppg
- RogerRoeper

Out of curiosity, who were their most constant linemates the last 2 seasons?

Out of curiosity, who were their most constant linemates the last 2 seasons?
- jmatchett383

So you're going to play the game that Nylander had better linemates all the while ignoring the big difference in overall TOI and PP time ?

Nylander is one of only 4 NHL player the past 4 years to post 150+ points with les than 4000 minutes on the ice.

Eh. Seems a bit overpaid, tbh.

Guy had a great rookie year, a meh 2nd year.

But hey, Tanner thinks Gardiner is a superstar D-man and Hedman is massively overrated... either the best troll in the hockey community or a hipster who couldn't break into the 'zine business, and needed another route for his schtick.

First 2 full years:


Willy: 16:21, 42gls, 122pts, .26gpg, .75ppg
Keller: 18:10, 37gls, 112pts, .23gpg, .68ppg
- RogerRoeper

Lol, coach set up Willie with a generational talent and awesome starts and comp.

#firebabcock

You’re comparing apples and oranges.

Lol, coach set up Willie with a generational talent and awesome starts and comp.

#firebabcock

You’re comparing apples and oranges.
- Garnie

16:21 avg with little PP time is Babcock doing a big favour for Willy?

Matthews and Nylander are hilariously underused and it hurts their stats.

16:21 avg with little PP time is Babcock doing a big favour for Willy?

Matthews and Nylander are hilariously underused and it hurts their stats.
- RogerRoeper

They were baby sat and put in prime spots to earn big pay days, stop the garbage.

I am hearing this is apparently a great deal for Arizona , but those same people will say Nylander is millions overpaid and Dubas got bent over at 6.9 per.
Nylander's stats are better with less TOI and less PP time...
- RogerRoeper

Yeah Nylander earned his $12 million last season for 27 points.

They were baby sat and put in prime spots to earn big pay days, stop the garbage.
- Garnie

Ridiculous. Playing so much less than than peers across the NHL is not setting them up to earn big paydays.

Matthews is the bet 5 on 5 goal scorer and 3rd in per 60 points in the NHL and plays 18 minutes, even in the playoffs.

Yeah Nylander earned his $12 million last season for 27 points.
- classic321

6.9 cap hit and never scored less than 61 points in afull seaon.