James Tanner: Clayton Keller Contract Really Unpopular

its roughly 100k/pts contracts now , they just spared the issues of all the rfa not signing this year cuz they all had exceptional year, if keller have a 90 pts season this year, how much would he have asked then ?

having him cap at 7.1 , if he just become a 70pts steady right winger for the next 8 years, they still win, because in 2-3-4-5 years a 70pts winger will cost more than 7.1millions/years

and everything more than he gives is bonus, or even an homerun if he becomes a 1pts/games players

ohh and nylanders contract for what he did and what hes doing
considering with who is playing with ... its not that wonderfull either sorry :D

I’m Tanner:

“Max Domi has one good season with an unsustainable shooting percentage and poor underlying metrics. There’s no way he’ll replicate it next season. He’s not a center cuz he had a low faceoff% and average defensive stats, which are super important for a great NHL player. Glad we got Galchenyuk who I truly think could be a 40 goals scorer cuz he scored 30 once”

“Let’s ignore Keller’s bad underlying stats, especially when he’s playing defence, because it doesn’t fit my point and so it’s okay to discard it. Instead, let’s focus on the fact that he had 1 good season. That’s enough of a basis to say he’ll score 82 points consistently from here on out, and that he’ll be worth his contract despite his poopty defence cuz who needs defence amirite”

You’re a terrible journalist Tanner. Your bias is evident, you’re a hypocrite, your pieces are incoherent and you spew a lot of bullpoop.

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I’m Tanner:

“Max Domi has one good season with an unsustainable shooting percentage and poor underlying metrics. There’s no way he’ll replicate it next season. He’s not a center cuz he had a low faceoff% and average defensive stats, which are super important for a great NHL player. Glad we got Galchenyuk who I truly think could be a 40 goals scorer cuz he scored 30 once”

“Let’s ignore Keller’s bad underlying stats, especially when he’s playing defence, because it doesn’t fit my point and so it’s okay to discard it. Instead, let’s focus on the fact that he had 1 good season. That’s enough of a basis to say he’ll score 82 points consistently from here on out, and that he’ll be worth his contract despite his poopty defence cuz who needs defence amirite”

You’re a terrible journalist Tanner. Your bias is evident, you’re a hypocrite, your pieces are incoherent and you spew a lot of bullpoop.
- Gray75

You're terrible at quoting people. Why would i ever consider Max Domis face off percentage? I can assure you i never mentioned it.

Plus Keller is way, way, way better than Domi.

I’m Tanner:

“Max Domi has one good season with an unsustainable shooting percentage and poor underlying metrics. There’s no way he’ll replicate it next season. He’s not a center cuz he had a low faceoff% and average defensive stats, which are super important for a great NHL player. Glad we got Galchenyuk who I truly think could be a 40 goals scorer cuz he scored 30 once”

“Let’s ignore Keller’s bad underlying stats, especially when he’s playing defence, because it doesn’t fit my point and so it’s okay to discard it. Instead, let’s focus on the fact that he had 1 good season. That’s enough of a basis to say he’ll score 82 points consistently from here on out, and that he’ll be worth his contract despite his poopty defence cuz who needs defence amirite”

You’re a terrible journalist Tanner. Your bias is evident, you’re a hypocrite, your pieces are incoherent and you spew a lot of bullpoop.
- Gray75

only times will let us know whos right or not buddy =)

That has to be one of the biggest turd blogs ever among your laundry list of crap. You made EVERY terrible concession to defend awful advanced stats (which you constantly puff your chest about in every player assessment on the rest of the teams in the league) and then you just go into a laughable diatribe of "it's the goalies fault"

I'm sorry, the game goalie in raanta that you called vezina quality before or keumper who had a vezina quality season last year? Now they suddenly suck and are letting in crap when Keller is on the ice?

Woof, you can't backpedal fast enough. Keller is a boy who is afraid of the middle of the ice. Same with schmaltz so enjoy full doses of that along with Kessel now for an entire season

If Keller can become a ppg player, then yes it's a good contract. But hes also not a 68 point player...that was one year. He scored 47 pts last year.

And goalie effects do happen on offense because a bad goalie can let in a bad goal against keller making his offense look better

If Keller can become a ppg player, then yes it's a good contract. But hes also not a 68 point player...that was one year. He scored 47 pts last year.

And goalie effects do happen on offense because a bad goalie can let in a bad goal against keller making his offense look better
- bulet13

But that doesn't help Tanner's narrative as to why his metrics are terrible. No goalies let in bad goals when he scores but his own goalies let in crap left and right once he jumps over the boards. Duh

having watched mostly 80% of the games of the coyotes last year, they kept playing with their roster, keller played 12 games with galchenuk as a center,
they even tried him as a center for like 7 games,

played with stepan,dvorak or any other random center on 2nd line and how many games they have scored 0 goals or 1 or 2 goals by the 4th liners

its not accurate to use last year kellers stats has a guideline, evry worst scenario happened , like i said, this year will be more accurate, we cant judge yet what he can or cant do atm, my opinion

I do agree on your goalie point. The difference between a $10m goalie and a $2m is very small when you actually consider the small differences in sv%

Yotes took a chance with this contract, obviously. They decided to be proactive and pay a player they think will continue getting better each year. If they are right than his 7.1AAV will be worth it in a year or two. If not, then they will be lambasted. Let's see

I have always found it interesting that some of the analytical crowd seems to be high on Keller. Some of his advanced stats are pretty mediocre despite his production on a weak team.

I assume it’s because they subconsciously want Chayka to succeed so they view most moves made by the Coyotes in a more positive light.

It's not about analytics people overrating defense, it's about analytic numbers measuring a player's positive or negative impact on the outcome of the game and the goaltending argument is just grasping at straws. It's weird for someone who preaches analytics when it suits their arguments, fall back on points scored vs "defense" when they don't.

Unfortunately this is just another blog that goes to show Tanner's understanding and application of analytics has never been great, and as reliable as statistics can be, they can be skewed to fit someone's personal biases.

Well here's the proper use of a quote. "Of course, I could be entirely wrong - there's a first time for everything." Even as sarcasm, which in your ego riddled brain is highly unlikely, is so far from reality it borders on delusional. Oh, and I actually think the Kellar deal could turn out ok but not for a couple of years. I think the kid has talent.

I have always found it interesting that some of the analytical crowd seems to be high on Keller. Some of his advanced stats are pretty mediocre despite his production on a weak team.

I assume it’s because they subconsciously want Chayka to succeed so they view most moves made by the Coyotes in a more positive light.
- Nucker101

This.

Tanner's ability to only see things from his point of view and his need to be right make him one of the least objective posters on this site.

This.

Tanner's ability to only see things from his point of view and his need to be right make him one of the least objective posters on this site.
- Tumbleweed

Yes but don't forget how good and objective Tanner is at telling people who is and isn't good at music.

People saying he'll never live up to that number don't seem to understand how contracts work in the NHL. Average competent top six players are going to all be getting 7 million in a couple of years. 7 will be the new 5 which was the new 3.

Even if he's only a consistent 50 point player, the contract isn't going to hurt them. The contracts that put you in trouble are when you think it's a good idea to pay James Neal 5.75X5.

People saying he'll never live up to that number don't seem to understand how contracts work in the NHL. Average competent top six players are going to all be getting 7 million in a couple of years. 7 will be the new 5 which was the new 3.

Even if he's only a consistent 50 point player, the contract isn't going to hurt them. The contracts that put you in trouble are when you think it's a good idea to pay James Neal 5.75X5.
- Hunkulese

One bad contract doesn't rationalize another

Everybody understands he’s trolling you, right? It’s all an act. He writes some steaming hot dump take that is easily forgotten or back-pedaled from, occasionally stumbles into a prescient observation, then you all click on his article and whine about it. Time is a flat circle.

One bad contract doesn't rationalize another
- Stan_Bowman

It has nothing to do with bad contracts. Players get paid more every year. If the market sets competent top six forwards as worth 7 million, they're worth 7 million.

It has nothing to do with bad contracts. Players get paid more every year. If the market sets competent top six forwards as worth 7 million, they're worth 7 million.
- Hunkulese

But if a contract is a significant outlier from its comparables, that’s not “market value.” It’s just poor valuation.

Point per game players aren't rare. There were 31 point per game players in the NHL last year.
Forget Tanner's spin on analytics. He's never been able to figure them out and never will.

As far as the contract. Pretty simple, if he continues to develop and plays well, it's a great contract. If he doesn't, it's not. Call me captain obvious.

One question I have for Tanner though. When is this great edge that analytic GM's such as Chayka going to kick in? When is this big advantage he has going to provide some fruit?

there was just absolutely no reason to give him this contract at this point in time

I hope if Kappo Kakko has a 47 point sophmore season the Rangers don't go ahead and give him an extension of 7.1 million a year