After that 31 goals season, Panarin had 74 points.

Marner had 94.

You can't just pretend only goals matter because it helps dropping Marner's value.
- Scabeh

No, but how many points is Marner putting up if Tavares doesn't score 47?

Yeah, they go hand in hand, but come on.

Look, if Marner wants the Tavares, contract, that's fine.

If he only wants 5 years, he's going to have to take a pay cut, because it doesn't help the team at all.

Oh? They all had a career high of 26 goals?
- joel878

Marner had more points than Eichel and Matthews.

After that 31 goals season, Panarin had 74 points.

Marner had 94.

You can't just pretend only goals matter because it helps dropping Marner's value.
- Scabeh

The Leafs are going to have to pay Marner 11.5 for 3 years.
Marner to the Habs for Suzuki and a 2nd is a fair trade.

#hockeybuzzlogic

Marner had more points than Eichel and Matthews.
- MaximusAurelius

Im of the variety that doesn't think elite centreman are an appropriate comparable for him. Much more difficult position to fill in this league historically.

Marner would be lucky to use kucherov as a comparable, but I think we all know why he'd never touch that.

The Leafs are going to have to pay Marner 11.5 for 3 years.
Marner to the Habs for Suzuki and a 2nd is a fair trade.

#hockeybuzzlogic
- Aetherial

I was at the Rookie Tourney Game in Belleville last night.

SUZUKI is a Bust. Did nothing...

Now, Winnepegs Kristian Vesalainen on the other hand... Boy can he fly!!

The Leafs are going to have to pay Marner 11.5 for 3 years.
Marner to the Habs for Suzuki and a 2nd is a fair trade.

#hockeybuzzlogic
- Aetherial

Too bad Tanner is a Leafs fan.
Imagine the blogs about his next contract/ trades etc...

Agreed. But if I'm Dubas I'm telling them to go negotiate still holding all the cards. He doesn't have to make a deal he feels won't benefit the team right now.

If it results in him being sucked into an offer sheet, well if you hate the offer, take the picks. Not ideal, but it gives him some premium draft picks to shop around to find what he needs. And it's probably still a better situation for the team than Nylander 2.0.

Either way it's time for him to make a power move. I think the team has the leverage at the end of the day, you can only play nice about it so long when the whole world knows the player holding out in this scenario really stands to lose huge endorsement potential and the ability to play for his hometown team.
- joel878

I’m following where you are going, for sure. My only concern is, say Dubas gets a good package to help in the now- do we have Cap space to pay said players coming back? A package that would help now would have to include one big ticket I’m thinking. Would we be any better off?

I was at the Rookie Tourney Game in Belleville last night.

SUZUKI is a Bust. Did nothing...

Now, Winnepegs Kristian Vesalainen on the other hand... Boy can he fly!!
- Hockey_Reverend

Hold up Suzuki had 5 points yesterday....

Oh you mean the one the Habs drafted. Yeah, total bust.

7m for werenski in his 3rd year

Hold up Suzuki had 5 points yesterday....

Oh you mean the one the Habs drafted. Yeah, total bust.
- BINGO!

There's another one?

Im of the variety that doesn't think elite centreman are an appropriate comparable for him. Much more difficult position to fill in this league historically.

Marner would be lucky to use kucherov as a comparable, but I think we all know why he'd never touch that.
- joel878

Marner will likely turn out the be a better player as Kucherov - at least similar (point wise). Already had more points / season at younger age (consistently).


Kucherov's new (current) contract was after 3 seasons of 66-85-100 points - at age 25.
Marner's new contract (the one he has to sign now) was after three seasons of 61-69-95 points - but at age 22.
So Marner was very close production wise, being 3 years younger.

Considering that, a 8y deal for approx 11-11.5mln is logical, using Kucherov as a comparable.

I’m following where you are going, for sure. My only concern is, say Dubas gets a good package to help in the now- do we have Cap space to pay said players coming back? A package that would help now would have to include one big ticket I’m thinking. Would we be any better off?
- DrunkenCanuck

Well, If they have 10 million set aside for Marner, I would have to think they can fish a fairly component player along with other pieces in return.

Doubt he would have the luxury of finding a player of Marners calibre in return, but I think at this point you have to weigh in what the Nylander scenario did to the team last year. It starts to look better than watching the whole team crater again.

Especially when you look at this kid biting the hand that feeds him, it's not like he's being offered pennies here. If *settling* for 10 million to play for your hometown team, getting another 3-5 in endorsements is a problem for you, maybe try your luck in the desert?

Marner will likely turn out the be a better player as Kucherov - at least similar (point wise). Already had more points / season at younger age (consistently).


Kucherov's new (current) contract was after 3 seasons of 66-85-100 points - at age 25.
Marner's new contract (the one he has to sign now) was after three seasons of 61-69-95 points - but at age 22.
So Marner was very close production wise, being 3 years younger.

Considering that, a 8y deal for approx 11-11.5mln is logical, using Kucherov as a comparable.
- MaximusAurelius

Everything you said is right.

Except using kucherovs 9.5 million dollar deal he signed at this point isn't the comparable.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm doing this off of memory, didn't kucherov end up signing a bridge deal under 5 million per coming off his entry level? Because that's the comparable.

So if we are to disregard all the ifs and believe Marner is going to be better than kucherov, I guess that makes his bridge deal a landslide win at 7 million per?

Well, If they have 10 million set aside for Marner, I would have to think they can fish a fairly component player along with other pieces in return.

Doubt he would have the luxury of finding a player of Marners calibre in return, but I think at this point you have to weigh in what the Nylander scenario did to the team last year. It starts to look better than watching the whole team crater again.

Especially when you look at this kid biting the hand that feeds him, it's not like he's being offered pennies here. If *settling* for 10 million to play for your hometown team, getting another 3-5 in endorsements is a problem for you, maybe try your luck in the desert?
- joel878

Well said Joel, I’m a Marner fan, but I cannot argue with that.

Name the last nhler regardless of position to earn 11 million a season with a career high of 26 goals. Go.
- joel878

In fairness, not many finish 11th overall in scoring at 21 years old, and play with an 81 million dollar cap. Wasnt the cap like 40 million 12 years ago? Hard to compare.

Well said Joel, I’m a Marner fan, but I cannot argue with that.
- DrunkenCanuck

Im a huge Marner fan, I have Matthews, rielly, Tavares, Marner, and Nylander jerseys. The Marner one got the game treatment for all 4 games I was at last year.

I think the team has done their part at this point, they are willing to make him rich for the rest of his life. If he won't recripocate at a certain point, he's just not in it for the team. There has to be a cut off, and I'm fine with it being the start of camp after how last year went.

In fairness, not many finish 11th overall in scoring at 21 years old, and play with an 81 million dollar cap. Wasnt the cap like 40 million 12 years ago? Hard to compare.
- systemtool

Yes, you are absolutely correct. But I'm looking at recent RFA deals from players who didn't have it as good as he does, and still thinking he's out to lunch if he won't take a 6 year deal at 10.5

Draisaitl is one that stands out...

After that 31 goals season, Panarin had 74 points.

Marner had 94.

You can't just pretend only goals matter because it helps dropping Marner's value.
- Scabeh

fine give him 7mil

Sign marner for 3 years.
1) 7.5m
2) 7.5m
3) 10.5m

Yes, you are absolutely correct. But I'm looking at recent RFA deals from players who didn't have it as good as he does, and still thinking he's out to lunch if he won't take a 6 year deal at 10.5

Draisaitl is one that stands out...
- joel878

At the time Draisaitl was considered well over paid when he signed his deal. If Draisaitl was a ufa this season he wouldnt be making a penny less than 10.5.

I predict 9.5 x 5

Marner will likely turn out the be a better player as Kucherov - at least similar (point wise). Already had more points / season at younger age (consistently).


Kucherov's new (current) contract was after 3 seasons of 66-85-100 points - at age 25.
Marner's new contract (the one he has to sign now) was after three seasons of 61-69-95 points - but at age 22.
So Marner was very close production wise, being 3 years younger.

Considering that, a 8y deal for approx 11-11.5mln is logical, using Kucherov as a comparable.
- MaximusAurelius

i dont think anyone will argue that

At the time Draisaitl was considered well over paid when he signed his deal. If Draisaitl was a ufa this season he wouldnt be making a penny less than 10.5.
- systemtool

Marner isn't a UFA though. And It is a Monday morning so I feel much dumber than the average, but if he was considered overpaid at 8.5, how does he take a minimum of 10.5 today?

Draisaitl also signed Max term at that number.

Gaudreau is another one that pops into my head. Same agent as Marner...

i dont think anyone will argue that
- senstroll

I think the number may still be arguably a hair high, but if you can get him signed max term for it it's well worth it.

But I think that's where the difficulty with the Marner contact comes from, everything I've read says he refuses to look at anything with significant term.

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