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Todd Cordell
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 02.10.2014

Sep 10 @ 11:26 AM ET
Todd Cordell: Three experiments the Calgary Flames should test during preseason
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Sep 10 @ 11:32 AM ET
Hathaway also looked great playing with Ryan. I think Mang is good on the 3rd line. 2nd line is the shutdown line right ?
DrunkenCanuck
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Clarksons Comeback Campaign , ON
Joined: 07.14.2009

Sep 10 @ 11:33 AM ET

Phaneuf close to signing in Calgary
DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Sep 10 @ 12:19 PM ET
League minimum on a 1 year term and its done.
hags11
Season Ticket Holder
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 08.06.2010

Sep 10 @ 12:55 PM ET
Good read Todd. I agree with your thoughts here. Preseason really doesn't mean diddly - other than to see what you have in game situations, and try to get a glimpse of how to best utilize what you have.
dal_johnson
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.09.2006

Sep 10 @ 1:20 PM ET
Trade Frolik. Sign Tkachuk

Bennett on the RW of first line. Give them some toughness, grit, and real high skilled players for Bennett to skate with (which he has never had consistently). Slightly less physical, higher end skill version of Ferland.

Lindholm on RW with Backlund and Tkachuk. Done multiple times last season.

Thirdline Ryan, Mangiapane, Lucic. If real toughness is needed on 1st line for a few shifts of a game swap Lucic and Bennett.

Fourth line Jankowski, Dube, and whoever.

Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Sep 10 @ 1:23 PM ET
Good read Todd. I agree with your thoughts here. Preseason really doesn't mean diddly - other than to see what you have in game situations, and try to get a glimpse of how to best utilize what you have.
- hags11


thank you!
DuranDuran
Calgary Flames
Location: Quito
Joined: 09.29.2015

Sep 10 @ 2:24 PM ET
Trade Frolik. Sign Tkachuk

Bennett on the RW of first line. Give them some toughness, grit, and real high skilled players for Bennett to skate with (which he has never had consistently). Slightly less physical, higher end skill version of Ferland.

Lindholm on RW with Backlund and Tkachuk. Done multiple times last season.

Thirdline Ryan, Mangiapane, Lucic. If real toughness is needed on 1st line for a few shifts of a game swap Lucic and Bennett.

Fourth line Jankowski, Dube, and whoever.

- dal_johnson



Yes brother Dal, lets get this show on the road!
Clyde334
Calgary Flames
Location: OG loves Nenshi!! Nenshi sucks!!, AB
Joined: 06.19.2016

Sep 10 @ 2:38 PM ET
Trade Frolik. Sign Tkachuk

Bennett on the RW of first line. Give them some toughness, grit, and real high skilled players for Bennett to skate with (which he has never had consistently). Slightly less physical, higher end skill version of Ferland.

Lindholm on RW with Backlund and Tkachuk. Done multiple times last season.

Thirdline Ryan, Mangiapane, Lucic. If real toughness is needed on 1st line for a few shifts of a game swap Lucic and Bennett.

Fourth line Jankowski, Dube, and whoever.

- dal_johnson

Pretty sure BT has been trying to trade Fro for a while now. No takers it seems
geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Sep 10 @ 2:42 PM ET
Does Breadman suck your cock on weekends or what?

Man, let him be where he belongs, which is LW4.

- redseerpf

Dude seriously?
dal_johnson
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.09.2006

Sep 10 @ 3:32 PM ET
Pretty sure BT has been trying to trade Fro for a while now. No takers it seems
- Clyde334

No takers, or Do the Flames still want a higher return.

I get that the quality of players being offered back may not be what they were hoping for. But look at the trade as:

Whatever team gets Frolik

Calgary gets Matthew Tkachuk (any anything else doesn't matter).
DuranDuran
Calgary Flames
Location: Quito
Joined: 09.29.2015

Sep 10 @ 3:38 PM ET
Pretty sure BT has been trying to trade Fro for a while now. No takers it seems
- Clyde334


Fro is a strange player, does a lot of things right but you do not really notice them. He had some great games last year, typically after being dragged through the coals by Peters. But he is not a top 6 player and do not really feel like he jives on the third line.

Would be so much happier with the center situation if Flames got Kadri.

Janko has been underwhelming.
Clyde334
Calgary Flames
Location: OG loves Nenshi!! Nenshi sucks!!, AB
Joined: 06.19.2016

Sep 10 @ 3:38 PM ET
No takers, or Do the Flames still want a higher return.

I get that the quality of players being offered back may not be what they were hoping for. But look at the trade as:

Whatever team gets Frolik

Calgary gets Matthew Tkachuk (any anything else doesn't matter).

- dal_johnson

Fair enough but also I think don’t underestimate what Fro did on the D side of things. Guys like him are very valuable come playoff time
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Sep 10 @ 4:48 PM ET
We get it. You're from Barrie. But maybe it's time to start watching Flames games if you want to comment on their team. Mangiapane is a great 4th line guy, and the Flames have one of the best 4th lines in the league. That's great! Putting Mangiapane on the Flames shut down line is a laughably bad idea. The numbers you bring up about with the per 60 nonsense is meaningless because he played 40 games and ten minutes a night against the other teams' worst players. There's nothing in his game that makes it look like he's capable to be going against the other teams' best players all game.

Leaving him on the 4th line gives the Flames an advantage on the 4th line that they definitely won't have if he's playing in a top-six role.
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Sep 10 @ 6:09 PM ET
Pretty sure BT has been trying to trade Fro for a while now. No takers it seems
- Clyde334


Might be teams waiting for the RFA chips to fall too...
Think Philly, Columbus and Ottawa are all waiting for the teams that need cap space to offer up a pick to go with their dead weight.

Anaheim might come knocking if they complete the Kase for Faulk deal as well. Would have just enough space to fit Fro in if they pull that deal off.

hags11
Season Ticket Holder
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 08.06.2010

Sep 10 @ 6:43 PM ET
We get it. You're from Barrie. But maybe it's time to start watching Flames games if you want to comment on their team. Mangiapane is a great 4th line guy, and the Flames have one of the best 4th lines in the league. That's great! Putting Mangiapane on the Flames shut down line is a laughably bad idea. The numbers you bring up about with the per 60 nonsense is meaningless because he played 40 games and ten minutes a night against the other teams' worst players. There's nothing in his game that makes it look like he's capable to be going against the other teams' best players all game.

Leaving him on the 4th line gives the Flames an advantage on the 4th line that they definitely won't have if he's playing in a top-six role.

- Hunkulese


You are such an idiot! You can't just offer your perspective (which, by the way - is just 1 opinion - it is not FACT as you seem to believe) without trashing somebody else's thoughts and opinions. You must be an absolute joy to be around, because you are obviously such a happy person and all. Maybe your hockey opinions have merit - maybe they don't - but either way, why do you have to be such a pompous, know it all wiener every time you comment.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Leafs Losers Even After Fifty-one Seasons
Joined: 09.02.2014

Sep 10 @ 9:01 PM ET
Mangiapani is getting bad advise from his agent. It took him a long time to get going, he may develope into a top 6 eventually but as of now he’s being used where he belongs.
This would be like me advocating for Dube to play top 6. Give it a rest.
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Sep 10 @ 9:36 PM ET
Mangiapani is getting bad advise from his agent. It took him a long time to get going, he may develope into a top 6 eventually but as of now he’s being used where he belongs.
This would be like me advocating for Dube to play top 6. Give it a rest.

- K-man25


I bet he signs right at the beginning of camp. Keep it to one year, then go out and prove it. It is not worth it for him to miss any time. More importantly, what is Tre going to do to free up enough room for Tkachuk ? He's got to move someone.
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Sep 10 @ 10:17 PM ET
Dustin Wolf looks really good so far. Undersized but moves around the crease so well.
Clyde334
Calgary Flames
Location: OG loves Nenshi!! Nenshi sucks!!, AB
Joined: 06.19.2016

Sep 11 @ 8:36 AM ET
You are such an idiot! You can't just offer your perspective (which, by the way - is just 1 opinion - it is not FACT as you seem to believe) without trashing somebody else's thoughts and opinions. You must be an absolute joy to be around, because you are obviously such a happy person and all. Maybe your hockey opinions have merit - maybe they don't - but either way, why do you have to be such a pompous, know it all wiener every time you comment.

- hags11

geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Sep 11 @ 10:48 AM ET
You are such an idiot! You can't just offer your perspective (which, by the way - is just 1 opinion - it is not FACT as you seem to believe) without trashing somebody else's thoughts and opinions. You must be an absolute joy to be around, because you are obviously such a happy person and all. Maybe your hockey opinions have merit - maybe they don't - but either way, why do you have to be such a pompous, know it all wiener every time you comment.

- hags11

Now now, I know that clown has a phone line direct to Flames management and coaches...
Everytime a decision is considered by Treliving or Peters, Hunk's phone goes off... I actually have footage of it...
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Sep 11 @ 11:44 AM ET
Alright, I'm bored. Here's an NHL 20 discussion...

You're Flames management. Sean Monahan has come off a 30 goal, 75 point season and the team is ousted in the 2nd round. Mony registered 8 points in 14 games.

Columbus has the 3rd overall pick and calls you with Byfield, Perfetti and Askarov available to you.

They offer a trade of Mony straight up for the pick. What do you do?

- Reject and tell Jarmo to never call you again
- Counter and ask for another pick/prospect/roster player
- Accept

If you reject, why?
If you counter, what do you ask for additionally?
If you accept, who do you draft in that slot?
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: E5 = It aint gonna happen.
Joined: 02.10.2010

Sep 11 @ 12:28 PM ET
Alright, I'm bored. Here's an NHL 20 discussion...

You're Flames management. Sean Monahan has come off a 30 goal, 75 point season and the team is ousted in the 2nd round. Mony registered 8 points in 14 games.

Columbus has the 3rd overall pick and calls you with Byfield, Perfetti and Askarov available to you.

They offer a trade of Mony straight up for the pick. What do you do?

- Reject and tell Jarmo to never call you again
- Counter and ask for another pick/prospect/roster player
- Accept

If you reject, why?
If you counter, what do you ask for additionally?
If you accept, who do you draft in that slot?

- rmull905

If you were Treliving, why would you give up the closest thing to a #1 centre that scores 30 like clock work & signed to an amazing cap friendly contract for 3 more years & in his mid 20 prime years? For what, a #3 over all pick. Fck we had Bennett at #4 & he is no where close to Monahan. The kid might not even make your team for a couple years, let alone be given the top line right off the bat. That would be a hard no.
JMO
dal_johnson
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.09.2006

Sep 11 @ 4:01 PM ET
Fair enough but also I think don’t underestimate what Fro did on the D side of things. Guys like him are very valuable come playoff time
- Clyde334


I don't disagree, and I like Frolik for what he has done. But the fact is he is over 4 million in cap space, and The Flames need Tkachuk more than Frolik. Have to get the space somewhere and as soon as Valimaki got hurt it wasn't going to come from Brodie.