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bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Sep 12 @ 10:34 AM ET
They’ve already shared a season with Laine being the better player (17-18)
- Rexypoo


Cause Laine scored more goals ?
Wonder how many he scored on the PP on passes from Wheeler ?

BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Sep 12 @ 10:36 AM ET
Yes. Laine was visibly more dangerous than the other two the whole time. Process>Results.

The bad Corsi numbers are due to the thing I keep mentioning where Scheifele’s play cratered, and Wheeler still wasn’t skating. Once again, Laine carried them, which doesn’t mean he can drag both to success in spite of themselves, but simply that he was the hardest working member of that line by a mile.

- Rexypoo


Did you miss the date in my post Feb 1 - April 6. Nearly equal time over the course of the last 30 games and there is a clear numbers difference between having Laine on the first line and Conner on the first. Yet you resort to eye test metrics that he was the hardest worker.

TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Sep 12 @ 11:12 AM ET
I think the jimmy Carson comparisons should stop, they are too old and different era. I will say this though, Carson was a main piece in the Gretzky trade, Carson won a cup after the trade, Gretzky did not.


My honest opinion I think Laine’s career will end up something between Kessell and ovechkin, better than kessell not as good as Ovie

- Ross77


Fair enough, I do think that a Rick Nash comparable is more accurate anyhow.

I do not think Kessel and Ovechkin are good comparisons. Kessel was scoring lights out with Tyler Bozak and Nik Bonino as his centers. Ovechkin has proven he could score without an elite play making center as well.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Sep 12 @ 11:14 AM ET
A: Carson paced for 30-35 for the rest of his 20’s, as I mentioned with the injuries. Repeatedly.
B: You’re wrong. You just are. Laine shoots everywhere all the time regardless of where or how he gets the puck.
C: Nobody has ever said he NEEDS an elite centre. Everyone has said he should HAVE one, because elite shot+elite setup=tons of goals, which is how you win goddamn hockey games.
Really, all anyone has said is that he needs a play making centre, which Little is not, of top 6 quality, which Little is not, and that Andrew Copp would work just fine if they won’t use Scheifele.

- Rexypoo


Ovechkin did not have an all-star center when he scored 50. He had Danus Zubrus.

Look I am not the biggest Little fan, but to blame all of Laine's problems on him is a joke. Laine does not shoot all the time. His shot volume remains consistent in the 3 years.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 12 @ 11:37 AM ET
Dreger reporting Morrissey 8 years 6.25 aav
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Sep 12 @ 11:41 AM ET
Dreger reporting Morrissey 8 years 6.25 aav
- MBFlyerfan

Laine still thinks he's worth 10 million a year AAV?


I have a feeling that Laine is getting closer to being shipped out!
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Sep 12 @ 11:53 AM ET
Dreger reporting Morrissey 8 years 6.25 aav
- MBFlyerfan


YES! Perfect!
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Sep 12 @ 11:57 AM ET
Connor should come in at a similar contract to Morrissey.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Sep 12 @ 11:58 AM ET
Did you miss the date in my post Feb 1 - April 6. Nearly equal time over the course of the last 30 games and there is a clear numbers difference between having Laine on the first line and Conner on the first. Yet you resort to eye test metrics that he was the hardest worker.
- BWJumper


I'm amazed at how everyone continues to debate an obvious troll. I rarely bother anymore. I mean...why bother debating someone who never backs up anything with stats, who is an obvious twitter Tony pilot fish, and who despite overwhelming evidence will never admit they are wrong. An excuse is the best you will ever get in response.

....and BTW, the only good month Laine had last year was with Little at center. The rest of his season was abysmal in so many ways. I expect a lot better from him this year if he signs and is not traded.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Sep 12 @ 12:01 PM ET
YES! Perfect!
- grahamzky


Yes, news feeds are buzzing. I like the numbers, even a bit below my predictions. Would be awesome !
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Sep 12 @ 12:05 PM ET
Yes, news feeds are buzzing. I like the numbers, even a bit below my predictions. Would be awesome !
- jetsnation


Yes, I was predicting something like $6.7 for eight years. I guess that's another reason I'm not consulted by Chevy. lol
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Sep 12 @ 12:10 PM ET
Yes, I was predicting something like $6.7 for eight years. I guess that's another reason I'm not consulted by Chevy. lol
- grahamzky


Remember that hes not an RFA for another year and then still tied in for a few more so the early seasons on a bridge would have been much lower . I'm sure if the AAV is $6.3 MM then it will be the last 5 years of the contract that will show the much higher true worth salary while the early years will be low. Also, they need some space right now for Laine and Connor.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Sep 12 @ 12:15 PM ET
I will not engage in bickering today and will just celebrate the awesomeness of the Morrisey deal
sparky1957
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 11.03.2016

Sep 12 @ 12:22 PM ET
I will not engage in bickering today and will just celebrate the awesomeness of the Morrisey deal
- Ross77

What a deal for the Jet's. Chevy
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Sep 12 @ 12:26 PM ET
Remember that hes not an RFA for another year and then still tied in for a few more so the early seasons on a bridge would have been much lower . I'm sure if the AAV is $6.3 MM then it will be the last 5 years of the contract that will show the much higher true worth salary while the early years will be low. Also, they need some space right now for Laine and Connor.
- jetsnation


Actually it is the the first few years of the contract that he will receive the most $$$.

His new contract doesn't kick in until next year so fortunately doesn't affect Connor's expected long-term signing. (or Patrik's if he wants to take a one/two year bridge at sensible $$$)
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Sep 12 @ 12:31 PM ET
Actually it is the the first few years of the contract that he will receive the most $$$.

His new contract doesn't kick in until next year so fortunately doesn't affect Connor's expected long-term signing. (or Patrik's if he wants to take a one/two year bridge at sensible $$$)

- grahamzky


2019-20 is still at same salary. Got the rest of it wrong. I'm sure Chevy's got a better handle on why the numbers are what they are than me.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Sep 12 @ 1:45 PM ET
Yes. Laine was visibly more dangerous than the other two the whole time. Process>Results.

The bad Corsi numbers are due to the thing I keep mentioning where Scheifele’s play cratered, and Wheeler still wasn’t skating. Once again, Laine carried them, which doesn’t mean he can drag both to success in spite of themselves, but simply that he was the hardest working member of that line by a mile.

- Rexypoo


Rexy using the eye test? Laine didn't carry anyone in 2019/20 on this planet... maybe Earth 19?
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Sep 12 @ 1:51 PM ET
Yes, I was predicting something like $6.7 for eight years. I guess that's another reason I'm not consulted by Chevy. lol
- grahamzky


I am happy to be dead wrong on this, I had thrown out a number over 8m for 8years (comparable with Byfuglien). Great contract for a great player!
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Sep 12 @ 1:53 PM ET
2019-20 is still at same salary. Got the rest of it wrong. I'm sure Chevy's got a better handle on why the numbers are what they are than me.
- jetsnation


It's back diving to make it easier to trade him when he's in is early 30's. that's why he was only given a modified NTC for the last 3 years.

On the whole smart move by Chevy to get him signed a year out, he was one Buff injury this year from asking for Trouba money.
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