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Todd Cordell
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 02.10.2014

Sep 11 @ 12:12 PM ET
Todd Cordell: On Matthew Tkachuk's next contract and Sam Bennett's finishing
zipfel
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 04.24.2016

Sep 11 @ 12:32 PM ET
You've convinced me! I will have to draft Sam Bennett in the first round this year in the pool.
DuranDuran
Calgary Flames
Location: Quito
Joined: 09.29.2015

Sep 11 @ 12:53 PM ET
Cheers Todd,

Man if Bennett could finish it would be a game changer.
DuranDuran
Calgary Flames
Location: Quito
Joined: 09.29.2015

Sep 11 @ 12:55 PM ET
Anyone manage to catch the Rookie game?

Heard Ruzicka was impressive. Anyone car to share what kind of game he plays?
Scuba_Steve
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 06.26.2019

Sep 11 @ 1:29 PM ET
Would you guys trade Tkachuk for this years 1st and next years 3rd from Ottawa?
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Sep 11 @ 1:29 PM ET
Alright, I'm bored. Here's an NHL 20 discussion...

You're Flames management. Sean Monahan has come off a 30 goal, 75 point season and the team is ousted in the 2nd round. Mony registered 8 points in 14 games.

Columbus has the 3rd overall pick and calls you with Byfield, Perfetti and Askarov available to you.

They offer a trade of Mony straight up for the pick. What do you do?

- Reject and tell Jarmo to never call you again
- Counter and ask for another pick/prospect/roster player
- Accept

If you reject, why?
If you counter, what do you ask for additionally?
If you accept, who do you draft in that slot?
- rmull905

If you were Treliving, why would you give up the closest thing to a #1 centre that scores 30 like clock work & signed to an amazing cap friendly contract for 3 more years & in his mid 20 prime years? For what, a #3 over all pick. Fck we had Bennett at #4 & he is no where close to Monahan. The kid might not even make your team for a couple years, let alone be given the top line right off the bat. That would be a hard no.
JMO


Porting this over.

There's been a lot of talk around Mony this offseason that he might not be the #1 we need, figured I'd stir the pot a bit. If you could move him out and pickup another style for your #1 slot, would you do it is the question.

Byfield for example is a big physical player with Malkin type comps.
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Sep 11 @ 1:30 PM ET
Would you guys trade Tkachuk for this years 1st and next years 3rd from Ottawa?
- Scuba_Steve


No. Would you trade Tkachuk for the Flames 1st and 3rds this year?
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Sep 11 @ 1:33 PM ET
Anyone manage to catch the Rookie game?

Heard Ruzicka was impressive. Anyone car to share what kind of game he plays?

- DuranDuran


From what I have seen, read, heard, his biggest issue is that he doesn't go to the hard areas as much as everyone might like. Saw him play when I was in Ottawa in the spring, big, fast guy and can score, but is a bit of a perimeter type player. Similar knocks to conversations when he was playing for the World Jrs.
DuranDuran
Calgary Flames
Location: Quito
Joined: 09.29.2015

Sep 11 @ 2:15 PM ET
From what I have seen, read, heard, his biggest issue is that he doesn't go to the hard areas as much as everyone might like. Saw him play when I was in Ottawa in the spring, big, fast guy and can score, but is a bit of a perimeter type player. Similar knocks to conversations when he was playing for the World Jrs.
- rmull905


Nothing some steroids and cocaine can´t fix.
Clyde334
Calgary Flames
Location: OG loves Nenshi!! Nenshi sucks!!, AB
Joined: 06.19.2016

Sep 11 @ 2:22 PM ET
Would you guys trade Tkachuk for this years 1st and next years 3rd from Ottawa?
- Scuba_Steve

Hard fcking NO!!!
bsimms
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 10.25.2013

Sep 11 @ 2:39 PM ET
Would you guys trade Tkachuk for this years 1st and next years 3rd from Ottawa?


Not to pick on you Scuba_Steve but two picks for a player who will probably pull $8+ million a year in a top-3 role. No thanks. We like our Tkachuk.
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Sep 11 @ 3:26 PM ET
Not to pick on you Scuba_Steve but two picks for a player who will probably pull $8+ million a year in a top-3 role. No thanks. We like our Tkachuk.
- bsimms


If Chucky wanted out, I would entertain the offer (similar to Duchene trade), but until that happens, there's no way you move him unless you're somehow upgrading.
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Sep 11 @ 3:27 PM ET
Would you guys trade Tkachuk for this years 1st and next years 3rd from Ottawa?
- Scuba_Steve


JC no what There are verrrry few players I'd want the Flames to trade MT for.
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Sep 11 @ 3:29 PM ET
Nothing some steroids and cocaine can´t fix.
- DuranDuran



The Kiprusoff diet?

It's a bold strategy Cotton...
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Sep 11 @ 3:30 PM ET
Porting this over.

There's been a lot of talk around Mony this offseason that he might not be the #1 we need, figured I'd stir the pot a bit. If you could move him out and pickup another style for your #1 slot, would you do it is the question.

Byfield for example is a big physical player with Malkin type comps.

- rmull905


Nope. Flames are in win now mode as much as any team. It would need to be a 1st line centre return, not a 1st line centre a few years away.
dal_johnson
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.09.2006

Sep 11 @ 4:06 PM ET
Ive said it on a few threads.

Give Bennett a dedicated try, right out of Training camp, on the top line with Monahan and Gaudreau. He will bring physicality and puck retrieval to that line. And if he can finish better than he has but still generate the same level of chances it will work out.

He has never had high skilled players to skate with for a dedicated period of time other than the occasional bump up the line up because of an injury. Last year he had to drag James Neal around the rink. So he tries to do too much, because there is no other real option out on the ice with him, and ends up losing the puck. Give it time to develop, not a game or two. Make sure he knows that he does not need to carry that line and do too much. That's Johnny's job. He needs to play the style of game he has been last year, but with the higher skilled players.
Bang and crash, retrieve the puck and get it to Johnny. Get into position to finish after Johnny does the rest of the work.

Slightly less physical Ferland, much higher offensive potential.
Ven0m
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 06.15.2017

Sep 11 @ 4:20 PM ET
If Bennett could pull it together and finish in the 40-50 point range, we'd be laughing. It's brutal to watch when he whiffs on chances sometimes, so any improvement is definitely welcome lol
Hockeyfan4life14
Calgary Flames
Joined: 08.23.2019

Sep 11 @ 4:25 PM ET
Someone tell me why there is so much negativity around money hands ?
He averages 29-30 goals per year is a above average faceoff man ? Signed to a steal of a contract ? And don’t say he’s not physical enough the game is moving away from that ! Don’t say he’s not fast enough cause like I said 30 goals per average ! So honestly what ? And he needed 4 surgeries in the off season and still scored 30 !
Ven0m
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 06.15.2017

Sep 11 @ 4:28 PM ET
Someone tell me why there is so much negativity around money hands ?
He averages 29-30 goals per year is a above average faceoff man ? Signed to a steal of a contract ? And don’t say he’s not physical enough the game is moving away from that ! Don’t say he’s not fast enough cause like I said 30 goals per average ! So honestly what ? And he needed 4 surgeries in the off season and still scored 30 !

- Hockeyfan4life14


I think the main criticism isn't about the goal scoring, it's about the consistency. When he's scoring goals, he's doing just fine. The problem is he doesn't really do much else exceptionally. So when he goes through a 10+ game streak where it looks like he doesn't know how to skate and can't find the back of the net, he's a net negative on the ice, because he doesn't have any of those other factors. In short, he's great when he's scoring goals, but he's pretty one dimensional, so when he's not doing that he can be a bit of a liability.

All in all, I still think he's a great player and is a 1C, but definitely on the lower half of them.
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Sep 11 @ 4:35 PM ET
Someone tell me why there is so much negativity around money hands ?
He averages 29-30 goals per year is a above average faceoff man ? Signed to a steal of a contract ? And don’t say he’s not physical enough the game is moving away from that ! Don’t say he’s not fast enough cause like I said 30 goals per average ! So honestly what ? And he needed 4 surgeries in the off season and still scored 30 !

- Hockeyfan4life14


Watch the last quarter of every season and the playoffs. He disappears every year. Physicality is a thing. It doesn't mean he's running around hitting people, but there's zero physical presence or bite to his game. Pretty much all the elite centres are far more physical than Monahan. McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, O'Reilly, Kopitar, MacKinnon, Barkov, Matthews, and on and on. All of them play a more physical game than Monahan and don't disappear when things heat up. Speed is also an important factor even if you arbitrarily decide it isn't. He's probably bottom two or three of all the guys considered #1 centres in the league.

You only mentioned one upside about Monahan, 30 goals, and that's the problem. 30 goals is great, but that's pretty much all you get from Monahan. He doesn't do anything else you need from a #1 centre. It would be fine if he was a wing, but there's so much more you need a centre to do.

If Bennett working on finishing actually pays off, the Flames might suddenly find themselves an upgrade at centre. Bennett is pretty much the opposite of Monahan. Can't score, but does pretty much everything else right.
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Sep 11 @ 4:38 PM ET
I think the main criticism isn't about the goal scoring, it's about the consistency. When he's scoring goals, he's doing just fine. The problem is he doesn't really do much else exceptionally. So when he goes through a 10+ game streak where it looks like he doesn't know how to skate and can't find the back of the net, he's a net negative on the ice, because he doesn't have any of those other factors. In short, he's great when he's scoring goals, but he's pretty one dimensional, so when he's not doing that he can be a bit of a liability.

All in all, I still think he's a great player and is a 1C, but definitely on the lower half of them.

- Ven0m


Yeah, I agree with that. He doesn't play well away from the puck. He has some holes in his game like backchecking etc.. Not to say he's a liability but there's definitely room for improvement. I'm still waiting for that Ron Francis type player he was touted as when he came into the league.
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: E5 = It aint gonna happen.
Joined: 02.10.2010

Sep 11 @ 4:47 PM ET
Someone tell me why there is so much negativity around money hands ?
He averages 29-30 goals per year is a above average faceoff man ? Signed to a steal of a contract ? And don’t say he’s not physical enough the game is moving away from that ! Don’t say he’s not fast enough cause like I said 30 goals per average ! So honestly what ? And he needed 4 surgeries in the off season and still scored 30 !

- Hockeyfan4life14

Agreed. Even Elliott Friedman referred to being a top player in 31 thoughts yesterday.

On another note, Flames just signed Stone for $700K. I guess they had to get league permission to do that. Does that mean Brodie may get traded yet to make cap space??? Interesting............
Clyde334
Calgary Flames
Location: OG loves Nenshi!! Nenshi sucks!!, AB
Joined: 06.19.2016

Sep 11 @ 4:48 PM ET
Watch the last quarter of every season and the playoffs. He disappears every year. Physicality is a thing. It doesn't mean he's running around hitting people, but there's zero physical presence or bite to his game. Pretty much all the elite centres are far more physical than Monahan. McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, O'Reilly, Kopitar, MacKinnon, Barkov, Matthews, and on and on. All of them play a more physical game than Monahan and don't disappear when things heat up. Speed is also an important factor even if you arbitrarily decide it isn't. He's probably bottom two or three of all the guys considered #1 centres in the league.

You only mentioned one upside about Monahan, 30 goals, and that's the problem. 30 goals is great, but that's pretty much all you get from Monahan. He doesn't do anything else you need from a #1 centre. It would be fine if he was a wing, but there's so much more you need a centre to do.

If Bennett working on finishing actually pays off, the Flames might suddenly find themselves an upgrade at centre. Bennett is pretty much the opposite of Monahan. Can't score, but does pretty much everything else right.

- Hunkulese

It’s because the last 3 years he’s been hurt you a$$ clown!
jessehub
Calgary Flames
Location: BC
Joined: 06.25.2010

Sep 11 @ 4:49 PM ET
Agreed. Even Elliott Friedman referred to being a top player in 31 thoughts yesterday.

On another note, Flames just signed Stone for $700K. I guess they had to get league permission to do that. Does that mean Brodie may get traded yet to make cap space??? Interesting............

- Kevin R



Something’s gotta give here
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: E5 = It aint gonna happen.
Joined: 02.10.2010

Sep 11 @ 5:03 PM ET
It’s because the last 3 years he’s been hurt you a$$ clown!
- Clyde334

Yup
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