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Peter Tessier
Joined: 10.11.2011

Sep 18 @ 1:03 PM ET
Peter Tessier: Pre-season, the Laine thing, Buff-life Jets are shut out in Edmonton and this Laine thing and now Buff
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Sep 18 @ 1:04 PM ET
If Byfuglien really doesn't want to play with Laine:

To Buffalo:

Byfuglien (to play RW again)

To WPG:

Risto + Sheary
ThatDarnCat
Location: In the control group
Joined: 04.01.2010

Sep 18 @ 1:18 PM ET
Did Byfuglien come to camp overweight?

Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 18 @ 1:22 PM ET
The Pens happily offer up Jack Johnson for a 2025 6th round pick.

On the real though, this could be a perfect opportunity to move Laine for a good young dman.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 18 @ 1:23 PM ET
A defence without Buff would be a knife to the heart for the Jets and their fans. He has been anchor on this team and basically the most popular Jet since the Thrasher arrived in Winnipeg. No one will forget his hit on the first pre-season game in 2011 to set the stage.
- Peter.Tessier


Matt Calvert is still trying to get to his feet.
Devilish4
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.21.2019

Sep 18 @ 1:25 PM ET
Matt Calvert is still trying to get to his feet.
- jmatchett383

I think he destroyed Peter Harrold one time but then again I feel like that guy did nothing but obsorb the biggest hits possible in a devils uniform lmao
Snowman X
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.05.2018

Sep 18 @ 1:35 PM ET
If Buff retires, the Jets should chase T.J. Brodie and Rasmus Ristolainen. They need that right side sorted out, and Risto would address that. They also need experience with the overhaul their blueline has seen this off-season, and Brodie could provide that.

Laine could be shipped to CGY in a deal for Brodie ++. Ehlers + could be shipped to Buffalo for Risto.
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Sep 18 @ 1:42 PM ET
Retirement for Buff, huh?

Last spring, when Buff's ankle was giving him grief and he was out of the line-up, I spoke with someone that is friends with Buffs family and this person was saying that he might retire in a year or so.

I recall saying to this person, no way he will retire, he has two years left on a contract worth 7.5 m, fan favourite, and all that, and here we are.
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Sep 18 @ 1:47 PM ET
Juice is still out there for the taking ...
Devilish4
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.21.2019

Sep 18 @ 1:47 PM ET
If Buff retires, the Jets should chase T.J. Brodie and Rasmus Ristolainen. They need that right side sorted out, and Risto would address that. They also need experience with the overhaul their blueline has seen this off-season, and Brodie could provide that.

Laine could be shipped to CGY in a deal for Brodie ++. Ehlers + could be shipped to Buffalo for Risto.

- Snowman X

I dont think I would be adding anything to Ehlers to get Risto if anything I imagine buffalo would need to add.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Sep 18 @ 1:54 PM ET

Whatever Big Buff is dealing with, I hope it turns out the best possible.... but man what a complete goat (frank) this offseason has been in Winnipeg.

Management certainly has a lot of work to do and maybe trading Laine for some assets and defense is a good idea.... but nothing screams confidence about their ability to deal with this.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Sep 18 @ 1:57 PM ET
I dont think I would be adding anything to Ehlers to get Risto if anything I imagine buffalo would need to add.
- Devilish4


I don't think I'd be working a big trade for a defenseman who can't really play defense. Dude was -41 last season and -143 on the short career.

After trading for Pionk maybe that doesn't look so bad...
foxbat
Joined: 06.30.2016

Sep 18 @ 2:00 PM ET
Buff clearly doesn't want to be part of another re-build, re-tool, whatever word you would like to use. His decision to leave and even consider retirement says an awful lot about this team.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Sep 18 @ 2:07 PM ET
Wow, if the stuff surrounding Buff is true, that D corps went from among the top-10 in the league to maybe the worst over the course of about 3 months

Morrissey- Pionk
Kulikov- Beaulieu
Niku- Poolman

It would all but necessitate a Laine for D trade and the only teams I can see being able to assist in that are Columbus and maybe Buffalo if salary can be balanced. No idea what a trade would look like, though. Ristolainen and Reinhart? Ristolainen, Olofsson and a 1st? Nutivaara/Savard, Bjorkstrand and Bemstrom? Maybe more? This is a difficult thing to gauge.

I think Laine's perceived value is lower than it should be after the year he had, but you can't lose too much value on a guy whose down years are still 30G years. Gotta improve his defense and consistency but goals are goals.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Sep 18 @ 2:12 PM ET
My goodness are people clueless when it comes to this team.

Even if the jets have a one year set back this team is very well positioned for a very long time

Heinola and Samberg will both be full time Jets on D as early as next season, who knows, maybe even heinola this year.

With so many great young players either locked up or under team
Control for a very long time. Chevy has plenty of options that do not require a rash impulse move

No need to panic on RFA’s, call their bluff, does anyone honestly think they are prepared to sit out a whole year and be in this exact position next year with no change to their status or any closer to being a UFA.

If the agents want to go get an offer sheet, for these guys do it!!!! Please!!! It’ll at least end this.

Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Sep 18 @ 2:17 PM ET
Wow, if the stuff surrounding Buff is true, that D corps went from among the top-10 in the league to maybe the worst over the course of about 3 months

Morrissey- Pionk
Kulikov- Beaulieu
Niku- Poolman

It would all but necessitate a Laine for D trade and the only teams I can see being able to assist in that are Columbus and maybe Buffalo if salary can be balanced. No idea what a trade would look like, though. Ristolainen and Reinhart? Ristolainen, Olofsson and a 1st? Nutivaara/Savard, Bjorkstrand and Bemstrom? Maybe more? This is a difficult thing to gauge.

I think Laine's perceived value is lower than it should be after the year he had, but you can't lose too much value on a guy whose down years are still 30G years. Gotta improve his defense and consistency but goals are goals.

- MaximumBone


I’m sorry don’t want to come across rude but common, the Jets D was actually bottom 5 in the 2nd half of last season. People tend to exaggerate talent based on names they know then the ones they don’t.

Ristolainen is a horrible D, we would be doing buffalo a favour by merely taking that cap hit for free.

If your offers are seriously the best we can get for Laine than their is absolutely no reason to trade him, like at all!! You are asking us to trade Temmu for teverdoski and kilger all over again, why, oh why would we want to do that.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Sep 18 @ 2:20 PM ET
My goodness are people clueless when it comes to this team.

Even if the jets have a one year set back this team is very well positioned for a very long time

Heinola and Samberg will both be full time Jets on D as early as next season, who knows, maybe even heinola this year.

- Ross77

That's putting a MASSIVE load of expectations on the shoulders of two young rookies. You're talking about filling the huge gap in quality after Morrissey with two rookies and presumably Sami Niku- all of whom are LD, I'll add. They're quality prospects (I'm particularly keen on Heinola, in fact) but expecting them to step in and carry the blueline is not only foolish, but blindly so.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Sep 18 @ 2:25 PM ET
Wow, if the stuff surrounding Buff is true, that D corps went from among the top-10 in the league to maybe the worst over the course of about 3 months

Morrissey- Pionk
Kulikov- Beaulieu
Niku- Poolman

It would all but necessitate a Laine for D trade and the only teams I can see being able to assist in that are Columbus and maybe Buffalo if salary can be balanced. No idea what a trade would look like, though. Ristolainen and Reinhart? Ristolainen, Olofsson and a 1st? Nutivaara/Savard, Bjorkstrand and Bemstrom? Maybe more? This is a difficult thing to gauge.

I think Laine's perceived value is lower than it should be after the year he had, but you can't lose too much value on a guy whose down years are still 30G years. Gotta improve his defense and consistency but goals are goals.

- MaximumBone


I think the 2nd one is fair. It would hurt to lose Olofsson. We're very high on him in Buffalo.

I wouldn't include Reinhart as any part of a Laine deal. Laine is the superior goalscorer, but Reinhart's 200 ft. game and adaptability to be either a set up man or a goal scorer is superior to Laine. He's a more balanced player. The Sabres also only have 1 good RW (Reinhart) losing him for Laine is a lateral move at best
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Sep 18 @ 2:27 PM ET
I’m sorry don’t want to come across rude but common, the Jets D was actually bottom 5 in the 2nd half of last season. People tend to exaggerate talent based on names they know then the ones they don’t.

If your offers are seriously the best we can get for Laine than their is absolutely no reason to trade him, like at all!! You are asking us to trade Temmu for teverdoski and kilger all over again, why, oh why would we want to do that.

- Ross77

Sure, their results were low-end but the talent back there was apparent. Maybe top-10 was an overstatement, but Byfuglien, Trouba and Morrissey are all quality top pairing Dmen and most teams don't have 3 of those.

As for why, to fill out an NHL D corps using your enviable forward depth. There's an argument to be made against taking too much from an area of strength as it might remove the dimension that your team's identity is built on (see Hall trade) but, when the weakness is bad enough, I think that argument loses some footing.

But I guess this isn't as much of a concern for you given your high faith in your prospects to fill the void.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Sep 18 @ 2:32 PM ET
I think the 2nd one is fair. It would hurt to lose Olofsson. We're very high on him in Buffalo.

I wouldn't include Reinhart as any part of a Laine deal. Laine is the superior goalscorer, but Reinhart's 200 ft. game and adaptability to be either a set up man or a goal scorer is superior to Laine. He's a more balanced player. The Sabres also only have 1 good RW (Reinhart) losing him for Laine is a lateral move at best

- jcragcrumple

And I don't think Jets fans would agree. Laine's goal scoring ability is bordering on generational and giving him up for less than a guaranteed top pairing guy would be a really tough pill to swallow.

The problem is each team is inclined to view the opposing team's return in the worst possible light: Laine is a streaky, defensive liability that scores goals to you guys and Ristolainen is an overplayed #3/4 guy that contributes on the PP.
Devilish4
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.21.2019

Sep 18 @ 2:36 PM ET
My goodness are people clueless when it comes to this team.

Even if the jets have a one year set back this team is very well positioned for a very long time

Heinola and Samberg will both be full time Jets on D as early as next season, who knows, maybe even heinola this year.

With so many great young players either locked up or under team
Control for a very long time. Chevy has plenty of options that do not require a rash impulse move

No need to panic on RFA’s, call their bluff, does anyone honestly think they are prepared to sit out a whole year and be in this exact position next year with no change to their status or any closer to being a UFA.

If the agents want to go get an offer sheet, for these guys do it!!!! Please!!! It’ll at least end this.

- Ross77

This doesnt really give you any leverage negotiating with other gms though and thats why offers are so low. Teams for the most part are set and dont have drama going on so for them to disrupt where they might be at would likely require a lower offer.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Sep 18 @ 2:38 PM ET
And I don't think Jets fans would agree. Laine's goal scoring ability is bordering on generational and giving him up for less than a guaranteed top pairing guy would be a really tough pill to swallow.

The problem is each team is inclined to view the opposing team's return in the worst possible light: Laine is a streaky, defensive liability that scores goals to you guys and Ristolainen is an overplayed #3/4 guy that contributes on the PP.

- MaximumBone


Yeah, I'm not going to try to convince any jets fans that Risto is anything other than a 2nd pair PP specialist. That's who he is. I have often defended him in terms of zone starts compared to other offensive defensemen, but whatever, his +/- is terrible and the advanced metrics aren't good. I get it.

I'm just saying for me, personally, I wouldn't include Reinhart in a deal. If they wanted some pieces (Risto, 1sts, Sheary, Borgen, etc.) then, for sure. It just wouldn't make sense to trade Reinhart imo. That's why I think your other trade proposal made more sense from a sabres perspective
Peter Tessier
Joined: 10.11.2011

Sep 18 @ 2:39 PM ET
If Buff retires, the Jets should chase T.J. Brodie and Rasmus Ristolainen. They need that right side sorted out, and Risto would address that. They also need experience with the overhaul their blueline has seen this off-season, and Brodie could provide that.

Laine could be shipped to CGY in a deal for Brodie ++. Ehlers + could be shipped to Buffalo for Risto.

- Snowman X


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MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Sep 18 @ 2:42 PM ET
Yeah, I'm not going to try to convince any jets fans that Risto is anything other than a 2nd pair PP specialist. That's who he is. I have often defended him in terms of zone starts compared to other offensive defensemen, but whatever, his +/- is terrible and the advanced metrics aren't good. I get it.

I'm just saying for me, personally, I wouldn't include Reinhart in a deal. If they wanted some pieces (Risto, 1sts, Sheary, Borgen, etc.) then, for sure. It just wouldn't make sense to trade Reinhart imo. That's why I think your other trade proposal made more sense from a sabres perspective

- jcragcrumple

Okay, that's fair. Perhaps I'm undervaluing Reinhart or overvaluing Laine. Tough to define, really. It's particularly difficult because we know that Laine is one of the few players one can say is a pretty safe bet to eventually hit 50 (if not, do so consistently).
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Sep 18 @ 2:43 PM ET
That's putting a MASSIVE load of expectations on the shoulders of two young rookies. You're talking about filling the huge gap in quality after Morrissey with two rookies and presumably Sami Niku- all of whom are LD, I'll add. They're quality prospects (I'm particularly keen on Heinola, in fact) but expecting them to step in and carry the blueline is not only foolish, but blindly so.
- MaximumBone


I understand what you are saying but my point is more how severely over rated and not missed Myers and Chairot will be, and that these young guys are actually an improvement on those two.

Trouba and buff will obviously be big losses but with so many young great wingers, the Jets have options that dont require a impulse trade for Faulk or ristolainen that actually won’t help, it just provides two names people know

We should be looking at moving a young winger for a young D at the same stage.

With our depth up front and a good goalie, this can be handled. Is Maurice the coach to do that, that’s a bigger question
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