You’ve got to be right eventually.


But not this year.
- CubanBuffet

Called it the year they had the new rink and almost went to conference finals as well.

They'll get there.

Different atmosphere with Tippett and Holland.

Vegas 103
Cgy 97
Edm 96
SJ 94
Van 91
Ari 87
Ana 80
LA 67
- VANTEL

Fixed it for ya

I'm only worried about the Blues, Preds and maybe the Knights, the rest all have weaknesses to exploit.
- Nucker101

Agree. All the others have holes but still good rosters. Ignoring the 1/2 dozen iffy teams like Minny Edmonton LA Anaheim Arizona & Chicago.

Called it the year they had the new rink and went to conference finals as well.

They'll get there.

Different atmosphere with Tippett and Holland.
- LordHumungous

Your not-so-closeted Oiler love is cute.

Catching up & reading other blogs I’m finding it’s time to learn more about analytics much to my chagrin. It’s mostly all Greek to me but won’t hurt me to understand them better. Anyone want to clue me in on the more relevant stats & how to understand them would be greatly appreciated. Thx

Edit:
I think zone exits & 5v5 are my key stats

Catching up & reading other blogs I’m finding it’s time to learn more about analytics much to my chagrin. It’s mostly all Greek to me but won’t hurt me to understand them better. Anyone want to clue me in on the more relevant stats & how to understand them would be greatly appreciated. Thx

Edit:
I think zone exits & 5v5 are my key stats
- Nighthawk

5v5 starts with Corsi...here’s a good copy/paste intro

Corsi is a proxy measure for offensive zone possession.

Corsi is the total shots at the net for and against at even strength. It’s often expressed as either a differential, like plus/minus, or a percentage. E.g. cf%

Players and teams with positive Corsi rates tend to spend more time in the offensive zone at five-on-five, something that’s predictive of success over the long-term. In general, the higher the corsi differential or ratio, the more dominant the team or player.

All things being equal, Corsi ratios tend to range between 40-60 per cent for most players and teams. An elite number is usually around 55 per cent or better while anything below 45 per cent tends to below average.

EDIT:
You might also see Fenwick, which excludes blocked shots from Corsi, though it is otherwise the same. Also a measure of how much a player or team plays in the offensive zone, and correlated with wins.

5v5 starts with Corsi...here’s a good copy/paste intro

Corsi is a proxy measure for offensive zone possession.

Corsi is the total shots at the net for and against at even strength. It’s often expressed as either a differential, like plus/minus, or a percentage. E.g. cf%

Players and teams with positive Corsi rates tend to spend more time in the offensive zone at five-on-five, something that’s predictive of success over the long-term. In general, the higher the corsi differential or ratio, the more dominant the team or player.

All things being equal, Corsi ratios tend to range between 40-60 per cent for most players and teams. An elite number is usually around 55 per cent or better while anything below 45 per cent tends to below average.
- SlightlyOffside

Corsi kinda sucks

Zone exits/entries and quality of passes/shots seem like much better indicators of a player’s ability. Unfortunately, not many free sites do a good job of tracking those stats so you have to pay up a few bucks to access them.

Corsi kinda sucks

Zone exits/entries and quality of passes/shots seem like much better indicators of a player’s ability. Unfortunately, not many free sites do a good job of tracking those stats
- Nucker101

I think all the stats have some weaknesses that are inherent in the context of how a player is used by their coach, the quality of the team and their line mates. It is much more usable & comprehensive for 1:1 isolation sports like baseball, tennis or golf (greens in regulation).

For example: CF or Fenwick are going to look much worse for a player who the coach puts out for every defensive zone start and is expected to play shutdown, particularly on a bad team. ZX & ZE might be better, for them, but less appropriate for a player who the coach puts out primarily with O-zone starts.

Both are better than +/-, of course

Corsi kinda sucks

Zone exits/entries and quality of passes/shots seem like much better indicators of a player’s ability. Unfortunately, not many free sites do a good job of tracking those stats
- Nucker101

This is more to my liking. Also the quality of shots are more important to me than quantity. I’d like shot stats that say where eg top shelf or low blocker. Hitting the goalies crest i think count for nada.

Shot blocks tells me one of 2 things:
Good defensive play or poor attempts.

I think all the stats have some weaknesses that are inherent in the context of how a player is used by their coach, the quality of the team and their line mates. It is much more usable & comprehensive for 1:1 isolation sports like baseball, tennis or golf (greens in regulation).

For example: CF or Fenwick are going to look much worse for a player who the coach puts out for every defensive zone start and is expected to play shutdown, particularly on a bad team. ZX & ZE might be better, for them, but less appropriate for a player who the coach puts out primarily with O-zone starts.

Both are better than +/-, of course
- SlightlyOffside

I have varying views on +/-...

1) a + player on a lousy team stands out
2) dominant teams have inflated +
3) a - player on good teams stands out

+/- i only use as a gauge & use other means eg the eye test to further enhance it. As any stat it’s not a stand alone stat & needs more of other stats to make it better. O-zone & D-zone starts are the biggest influence for +/- & other stats that i prefer.

Corsi kinda sucks

Zone exits/entries and quality of passes/shots seem like much better indicators of a player’s ability. Unfortunately, not many free sites do a good job of tracking those stats so you have to pay up a few bucks to access them.
- Nucker101

I haven’t seen any free sites that consistently post these...occasionally they show up on CA, but that site is kind of toxic at times.

Where are you finding them?

I'm only worried about the Blues, Preds and maybe the Knights, the rest all have weaknesses to exploit.
- Nucker101

I am not worried about them because they are the best . I think we will be up there but not quite there yet. I still think we will be a top contender in two years.

Fixed it for ya

- LordHumungous

I will avoid the I told you so later and just tell you now

Called it the year they had the new rink and went to conference finals as well.

They'll get there.

Different atmosphere with Tippett and Holland.
- LordHumungous

There’s a saying about stopped clocks, or something. I’m not sure exactly how it goes.

How is it possible that people feel Goldy deserves to be in the top 6 over Pearson and Baer?
What do you guys see that I’m missing?

How is it possible that people feel Goldy deserves to be in the top 6 over Pearson and Baer?
What do you guys see that I’m missing?
- Kaynine

Makes you wonder , right?

Makes you wonder , right?
- VANTEL

Your not-so-closeted Oiler love is cute.
- Marwood

lol

I will avoid the I told you so later and just tell you now
- VANTEL

lol

How is it possible that people feel Goldy deserves to be in the top 6 over Pearson and Baer?
What do you guys see that I’m missing?
- Kaynine

The arguement for is Goldy's skillset is only for top 6 where Pearson and Baer can play other roles.

Anyway Goldy has to earn it and it will be an ongoing thing with Sven at least. Pearson may be Sutters steady wingman.

There’s a saying about stopped clocks, or something. I’m not sure exactly how it goes.
- CubanBuffet

lol

Team leader

https://twitter.com/i/status/1175499723278639104

Jason Megna scored for the Avs. Funny how Canuck cast offs keep on ticking. Today's game will we see Hutton's smile turn styled by Petey?

I think all the stats have some weaknesses that are inherent in the context of how a player is used by their coach, the quality of the team and their line mates. It is much more usable & comprehensive for 1:1 isolation sports like baseball, tennis or golf (greens in regulation).

For example: CF or Fenwick are going to look much worse for a player who the coach puts out for every defensive zone start and is expected to play shutdown, particularly on a bad team. ZX & ZE might be better, for them, but less appropriate for a player who the coach puts out primarily with O-zone starts.

Both are better than +/-, of course
- SlightlyOffside

Corsi is somewhat useful for dmen, but very flawed went used to evaluate forwards, but that's just my opinion.

Corsi is somewhat useful for dmen, but very flawed went used to evaluate forwards, but that's just my opinion.
- Nucker101

Interesting. I agree it can be flawed for forwards (linemates / deployment can really distort it).

I would have thought you would have preferred Fenwick for D, rather than Corsi, as it factors out the shots they blocked...?