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Mike Augello
Commissioner
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.25.2006

Sep 21 @ 2:53 PM ET
Mike Augello: Game 4 – Leafs vs. Sabres; Roster picture clearer after win over Buffalo
poopstash
Los Angeles Kings
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Sep 21 @ 2:59 PM ET
Yup
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

Sep 21 @ 3:13 PM ET
NO. WAY. Sparks on waivers. Who'd a thunk it???
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The Name Of The Game Is Hockey, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Sep 21 @ 3:45 PM ET
Suck my balls everybody!
munky123
Montreal Canadiens
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 05.10.2011

Sep 21 @ 3:46 PM ET
Stoked for the habs/leafs back to back next week. Wish Poehling was healthy! wanted to see him and Suzuki play vs some of the best in the league!

Watched some of the leafs preseeason, there are some changes on how they play d, i like the transition from D to off, and the active sticks is huge. That neutral zone gets clogged fast! Curious to see if the habs speed can exploit the bottom 4 def from the leafs, well see!!

winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Sep 21 @ 3:52 PM ET
Suck my balls everybody!
- Zezel



Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 21 @ 3:59 PM ET
Sandin is making the big club.

Matthews and Co. are already talking about him like he’s a part of the team. Once he gets into that circle, he’s in.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The Name Of The Game Is Hockey, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Sep 21 @ 4:05 PM ET
Sandin is making the big club.

Matthews and Co. are already talking about him like he’s a part of the team. Once he gets into that circle, he’s in.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


At least for a while, maybe till Dermott gets back.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 21 @ 4:10 PM ET
Sandin is making the big club.

Matthews and Co. are already talking about him like he’s a part of the team. Once he gets into that circle, he’s in.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Not this year he's not. At least, not for more than a short stint (9 games?).

Frankly, I think Lillybust has a better shot at playing more this year than Sandin based on his right-handedness and the Leafs relative (poop)iness on that side.

Then again, there's all kinds of cap implications to the both of them playing any extended time, no? (e.g. bonuses and such)
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 21 @ 4:22 PM ET
Not this year he's not. At least, not for more than a short stint (9 games?).

Frankly, I think Lillybust has a better shot at playing more this year than Sandin based on his right-handedness and the Leafs relative (poop)iness on that side.

Then again, there's all kinds of cap implications to the both of them playing any extended time, no? (e.g. bonuses and such)

- mjones242

I think Auston is the X factor here..

If he wants him in the team, and by the way he talks about him he does, then it’ll be really hard for Babs to say no.
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 21 @ 4:26 PM ET
I think Auston is the X factor here..

If he wants him in the team, and by the way he talks about him he does, then it’ll be really hard for Babs to say no.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


Babcock gives zero (frank)s what Matthews thinks about the roster.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 21 @ 4:30 PM ET
Babcock gives zero (frank)s what Matthews thinks about the roster.
- JohnFergusonJr

You may think that..

But what Babs gives (frank)s about is his job. Idk if you’ve noticed, but his stick has gotten smaller. Matthews will be captain. He means far more to the organization than Babs does. When push comes to shove, Matthews has a lot of say.

None of this will probably matter because Sandin is good enough to play his way on to the team.
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

Sep 21 @ 4:32 PM ET
You may think that..

But what Babs gives (frank)s about is his job. Idk if you’ve noticed, but his stick has gotten smaller. Matthews will be captain. He means far more to the organization than Babs does. When push comes to shove, Matthews has a lot of say.

None of this will probably matter because Sandin is good enough to play his way on to the team.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


Even Crosby doesn't have he final say. He gives his opinion but that's where it ends.
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Sep 21 @ 4:33 PM ET
Sandin gets 8-9 games, whatever the max is for his contract to still slide. Dermott comes back,, and he goes down to play top 2 minutes with the Marlies. His real chance to shine is next year, after 5/6 of our top 6 go to FA / RFA.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 21 @ 4:35 PM ET
Even Crosby doesn't have he final say. He gives his opinion but that's where it ends.
- aminnes

Obviously..

But they have a lot of pull.. Players and coaches spat all the time, and Matthews and Babs have already. If it starts to go sideways, Babs would be inclined to give Matthews what he wants opposed to getting fired.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 21 @ 4:42 PM ET
Babcock gives zero (frank)s what Matthews thinks about the roster.
- JohnFergusonJr


Or maybe Matthews and Babcock are just observing the same thing
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 21 @ 4:43 PM ET
Obviously..

But they have a lot of pull.. Players and coaches spat all the time, and Matthews and Babs have already. If it starts to go sideways, Babs would be inclined to give Matthews what he wants opposed to getting fired.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Matthews is not going to dictate who is playing D on the Leafs.

With Sandin the Leafs may give him a legit look for 9 games. At most, they'll give him 39 games. The Leafs will want to be very careful in how they approach his big club use in terms of sliding his contract or risk having him hit UFA sooner.

No way the kid plays more than 40 unless he is absolutely ridiculous - in such a way that it literally pushes Dermott out of the lineup (upon his return).
ClarksonDavid
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Sep 21 @ 4:48 PM ET
I think Auston is the X factor here..

If he wants him in the team, and by the way he talks about him he does, then it’ll be really hard for Babs to say no.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Babs has nothing but good things to say about him too. Kids looked good so far, hopefully keeps it up.
munky123
Montreal Canadiens
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 05.10.2011

Sep 21 @ 4:57 PM ET
Obviously..

But they have a lot of pull.. Players and coaches spat all the time, and Matthews and Babs have already. If it starts to go sideways, Babs would be inclined to give Matthews what he wants opposed to getting fired.

- Arctic_AARDVARK



Is that the kind of feeling youd want in the room? Dont get me wrong, every player has an ego and Crosby could have been seen as a coach killer, but hes such an even keeled dude; wouldn't you want more of a even team guy in tavares? Sort of a Toews kane comparison? Matthews comes across as its all about him. Tavares has won with todays best leaders all being on the same team; id argue he might have a better grasp on the team concept and how to get the best in his team mates.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 21 @ 4:59 PM ET
Is that the kind of feeling youd want in the room? Dont get me wrong, every player has an ego and Crosby could have been seen as a coach killer, but hes such an even keeled dude; wouldn't you want more of a even team guy in tavares? Sort of a Toews kane comparison? Matthews comes across as its all about him. Tavares has won with todays best leaders all being on the same team; id argue he might have a better grasp on the team concept and how to get the best in his team mates.
- munky123

Where the (frank) is this narrative coming from?
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 21 @ 4:59 PM ET
Babs has nothing but good things to say about him too. Kids looked good so far, hopefully keeps it up.
- ClarksonDavid

Everyone has their formulas as to why they think he’ll only get 10 games etc..

Babs says it over and over again.. If he’s one of our top 6 players, he’ll play. I want the players who give us the best chance of winning. People are oblivious to how good this guy is. He’ll be a star in the NHL soon.
Roadrunner75
Seattle Kraken
Location: ON
Joined: 03.01.2013

Sep 21 @ 5:01 PM ET
No cap implications. Covered off last night by Freidman during intermission. Sandin has no bonus clauses. Straight salary only.

He will get a good chance for games and depending on how Dermott comes back and gets up to speed. Think he might just stick here. Never know. Its early yet too. Some moves/trades could get made.

Kask on waivers to Marlies but have to just see what goes on with Neuvirth here tonight. First shot blows a hroin etc that will be a game changer for sure.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 21 @ 5:02 PM ET
Everyone has their formulas as to why they think he’ll only get 10 games etc..

Babs says it over and over again.. If he’s one of our top 6 players, he’ll play. I want the players who give us the best chance of winning. People are oblivious to how good this guy is. He’ll be a star in the NHL soon.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Babs is all about having 3 right-handed RHD and 3 left-handed LHD. He's not going to shift any of his LHD to accommodate Sandin cracking the line-up and he sure as hell isn't going to experiment with him playing the right-side.

He plays 9 games or 39 games... or no games.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 21 @ 5:03 PM ET
Is that the kind of feeling youd want in the room? Dont get me wrong, every player has an ego and Crosby could have been seen as a coach killer, but hes such an even keeled dude; wouldn't you want more of a even team guy in tavares? Sort of a Toews kane comparison? Matthews comes across as its all about him. Tavares has won with todays best leaders all being on the same team; id argue he might have a better grasp on the team concept and how to get the best in his team mates.
- munky123

I don’t get that impression from Matthews. I think he’s a good guy who cares about his teammates. I have no issues with him being captain.

Tavares is more stoic and boring.. But that doesn’t make you a better captain.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 21 @ 5:05 PM ET
Babs is all about having 3 right-handed RHD and 3 left-handed LHD. He's not going to shift any of his LHD to accommodate Sandin cracking the line-up and he sure as hell isn't going to experiment with him playing the right-side.

He plays 9 games or 39 games... or no games.

- mjones242

What if Sandin is better than Dermott?

Do we trade Muzzin?
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