Where the (frank) is this narrative coming from?
- mjones242

not a narrative, i odnt need a sports channel to tell me how to think... i get that sense from all the hockey i watch, the interviews of the team(s) i follow. ive watched everything Matthews. Personally i think Tavares is the better leader. If i was going with my intuition, like i did for that garbage captain in pacioretty, i just dont get the captain vibe from Matthews, as i didnt from Pacs. His struggles in the playoffs scoring, surely impacted by TOI being poorly managed, he took it hard. i believe if it happens again, it will be compounded if he was captain, as it did for pacs. I dont think he can take that pressure. I think Tavares has had more opportunity to be exposed to that, and i think hed be a better candidate; even during a slump, its about the team and working as a team to get out of it.

A few interviews with Matthews hes mentioned that
< I'm to good of a plyer to be in a slump>

ive never heard someone say that, taking about how good they are. It isnt bad, persay, but i think its a tell on how the guy thinks. tavares, that dude is slick and he can draw on how many international big games hes won and for all the drama in NY, he still produced. ANywya, its just my take on it. We can only wait and see.

leafs have so many good "tough situations to be in" decisions, bright future as well.

Babs is all about having 3 right-handed RHD and 3 left-handed LHD. He's not going to shift any of his LHD to accommodate Sandin cracking the line-up and he sure as hell isn't going to experiment with him playing the right-side.

He plays 9 games or 39 games... or no games.
- mjones242

True. Babs has never had a guy play his off side. Even if they’re comfortable doing so.

I think Auston is the X factor here..

If he wants him in the team, and by the way he talks about him he does, then it’ll be really hard for Babs to say no.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

As crazy as it sounds, once Dermott and Hyman are back the Leafs can't afford Sandin unless they have a 20 man roster. Sandin makes too much

Babcock also said it looks like playing left or right has no effect on sandin at all.

Dermott expected to miss at least twelve games. Sandin 3rd pairing left d. When dermott comes back sandin moves to right and the two of them make up a real quality 3rd pairing.

not a narrative, i odnt need a sports channel to tell me how to think... i get that sense from all the hockey i watch, the interviews of the team(s) i follow. ive watched everything Matthews. Personally i think Tavares is the better leader. If i was going with my intuition, like i did for that garbage captain in pacioretty, i just dont get the captain vibe from Matthews, as i didnt from Pacs. His struggles in the playoffs scoring, surely impacted by TOI being poorly managed, he took it hard. i believe if it happens again, it will be compounded if he was captain, as it did for pacs. I dont think he can take that pressure. I think Tavares has had more opportunity to be exposed to that, and i think hed be a better candidate; even during a slump, its about the team and working as a team to get out of it.

A few interviews with Matthews hes mentioned that
< I'm to good of a plyer to be in a slump>

ive never heard someone say that, taking about how good they are. It isnt bad, persay, but i think its a tell on how the guy thinks. tavares, that dude is slick and he can draw on how many international big games hes won and for all the drama in NY, he still produced. ANywya, its just my take on it. We can only wait and see.

leafs have so many good "tough situations to be in" decisions, bright future as well.
- munky123

ok

As crazy as it sounds, once Dermott and Hyman are back the Leafs can't afford Sandin unless they have a 20 man roster. Sandin makes too much
- walshyleafsfan

Not true. The cap will be tighter than the babysitter but they can afford sandin. They will be saving about 300k from Hyman injury. They can carry 21 or 22 while on road trips and then waive the (frank) out of marincin when they are at home and carry 20 or 21.

Any LTE injury throughout the season by a player with salary solves the poop out of any cap issue also.

Example.. Ceci out for a month and we are good to go.

ok
- Steven_Seagull

haha touche; for context not a narrative

not a narrative, i odnt need a sports channel to tell me how to think... i get that sense from all the hockey i watch, the interviews of the team(s) i follow. ive watched everything Matthews. Personally i think Tavares is the better leader. If i was going with my intuition, like i did for that garbage captain in pacioretty, i just dont get the captain vibe from Matthews, as i didnt from Pacs. His struggles in the playoffs scoring, surely impacted by TOI being poorly managed, he took it hard. i believe if it happens again, it will be compounded if he was captain, as it did for pacs. I dont think he can take that pressure. I think Tavares has had more opportunity to be exposed to that, and i think hed be a better candidate; even during a slump, its about the team and working as a team to get out of it.

A few interviews with Matthews hes mentioned that
< I'm to good of a plyer to be in a slump>

ive never heard someone say that, taking about how good they are. It isnt bad, persay, but i think its a tell on how the guy thinks. tavares, that dude is slick and he can draw on how many international big games hes won and for all the drama in NY, he still produced. ANywya, its just my take on it. We can only wait and see.

leafs have so many good "tough situations to be in" decisions, bright future as well.
- munky123

I think you're reading FAR too much into that quote. He's confident in his abilities to overcome a slump - he's not saying "I'm a God amongst men."

Give me some specific examples of players or coaches - at any level - who have had any bad things to say about AM34.

And I'm sorry, but your supposed abilities to be able to read players because of all of the interviews and hockey you've watched is not a convincing argument. It's an unfalsifiable assertion and it's completely subjective.

Provide actual evidence that Matthews is a conceited player that is a cancer to the team or we're just spinning our wheels here.

What if Sandin is better than Dermott?

Do we trade Muzzin?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

There is a very good chance that he will be. But he isn't, yet.

I hope they don't trade Muzzin. He was excellent at the end of the year and I fully expect him to play to similar levels this season.

I think you're reading FAR too much into that quote. He's confident in his abilities to overcome a slump - he's not saying "I'm a God amongst men."

Give me some specific examples of players or coaches - at any level - who have had any bad things to say about AM34.

And I'm sorry, but your supposed abilities to be able to read players because of all of the interviews and hockey you've watched is not a convincing argument. It's an unfalsifiable assertion and it's completely subjective.

Provide actual evidence that Matthews is a conceited player that is a cancer to the team or we're just spinning our wheels here.
- mjones242

its an opinion, are you looking for me to make the decision for the leafs and then justify it to you? people can have intuition, speak based on a feeling?

Also nowhere in my opinion did i say that mattehws was a cancer. i just spoke of tavares pedigree as being a better fit. got to hold back on the defensive pills there buddy. youre the type of fan that unfortunate TSN has to tip toe around eh? i even said that it was normal for a player to say what he said, i just hadd not heard it publicly. Lastly by your logic, if you watch the leafs, listen to interviews and follow the team, by your logic you should also be void of an opinion.... grow up big boi... i am not poopooing on your fragile ego.

There is a very good chance that he will be. But he isn't, yet.

I hope they don't trade Muzzin. He was excellent at the end of the year and I fully expect him to play to similar levels this season.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Dermott will be coming off injury. Sandin has a higher ceiling, he blew past Loljegren. I think drafting him might be the smartest thing Dubas has done as GM.

its an opinion, are you looking for me to make the decision for the leafs and then justify it to you? people can have intuition, speak based on a feeling?

Also nowhere in my opinion did i say that mattehws was a cancer. i just spoke of tavares pedigree as being a better fit. got to hold back on the defensive pills there buddy. youre the type of fan that unfortunate TSN has to tip toe around eh? i even said that it was normal for a player to say what he said, i just hadd not heard it publicly. Lastly by your logic, if you watch the leafs, listen to interviews and follow the team, by your logic you should also be void of an opinion.... grow up big boi... i am not poopooing on your fragile ego.
- munky123

ok

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- Steven_Seagull

K

I think you're reading FAR too much into that quote. He's confident in his abilities to overcome a slump - he's not saying "I'm a God amongst men."

Give me some specific examples of players or coaches - at any level - who have had any bad things to say about AM34.

And I'm sorry, but your supposed abilities to be able to read players because of all of the interviews and hockey you've watched is not a convincing argument. It's an unfalsifiable assertion and it's completely subjective.

Provide actual evidence that Matthews is a conceited player that is a cancer to the team or we're just spinning our wheels here.
- mjones242

“Matthews” literally translates into “Gift from God”

“Matthews” literally translates into “Gift from God”
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I have da link..

Beg for it.

its an opinion, are you looking for me to make the decision for the leafs and then justify it to you? people can have intuition, speak based on a feeling?

Also nowhere in my opinion did i say that mattehws was a cancer. i just spoke of tavares pedigree as being a better fit. got to hold back on the defensive pills there buddy. youre the type of fan that unfortunate TSN has to tip toe around eh? i even said that it was normal for a player to say what he said, i just hadd not heard it publicly. Lastly by your logic, if you watch the leafs, listen to interviews and follow the team, by your logic you should also be void of an opinion.... grow up big boi... i am not poopooing on your fragile ego.
- munky123

You can speak based on "feelings" and "opinions" but ultimately you have to provide evidence to support your position or they can be as casually dismissed as they were dispensed.

As Christopher Hitchens once said, "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

You said,

Matthews comes across as its all about him

That would be a cancerous attitude to have, no? A player who only cares about his personal achievements and ego can't be team-friendly by definition.

I'm loving the ad hominem response though. Apparently "I'm the type of fan" that TSN has to "tiptoe" around. Wut? And I supposedly have a "fragile ego"? How so? You're the one who has been defensive throughout this debate (I use the word very, very loosely).

You're projecting a narrative that AM34 is a selfish player who only thinks about himself. You've provided one quote which you've admitted every player thinks (but no player has ever professed).

Interesting.

I guess what I'm saying, after all of this is...

... the Habs suck, bro.

“Matthews” literally translates into “Gift from God”
- Arctic_AARDVARK

My first name just happens to be Matthew.

You may take of that what you will.

ok
- Steven_Seagull

He plays 9 games or 39 games... or no games.
- mjones242

I think this is the most likely outcome. Especially given Babcock's penchant for letting young players season in the minors.

BUFFALOLOLOLOLOL

anyone can score 47 goals from there

blow it up

You can speak based on "feelings" and "opinions" but ultimately you have to provide evidence to support your position or they can be as casually dismissed as they were dispensed.

As Christopher Hitchens once said, "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

You said,



That would be a cancerous attitude to have, no? A player who only cares about his personal achievements and ego can't be team-friendly by definition.

I'm loving the ad hominem response though. Apparently "I'm the type of fan" that TSN has to "tiptoe" around. Wut? And I supposedly have a "fragile ego"? How so? You're the one who has been defensive throughout this debate (I use the word very, very loosely).

You're projecting a narrative that AM34 is a selfish player who only thinks about himself. You've provided one quote which you've admitted every player thinks (but no player has ever professed).

Interesting.

I guess what I'm saying, after all of this is...

... the Habs suck, bro.
- mjones242

so if that was the case, then prove otherwise to my statement. Ive stated, based on the interviews, the gut feeling i have about a player, my opinion is what i stated.

the way i feel about matthews is kind of explained like this using our conversation as an example;

based on our back and forth, and the standoff ish type of response you gave to my far from flagrant comment/opinion; i deduce that you are probably a douche bag in real life. can i provide much fact? no. just a gut feelng based on a few back and forths. i would probably not like interacting with your type of person, no. how can i say? well from the far from cordial responces that youve provided. i completely understand what you are looking to do. belittle my opinion because i have a habs name attached my my silly HB login name. im sure you would have afforded a leaf fan a much more neutral debate.

i cant help with the matthews facts, i go based on what i see and hear b. you see it differently, cool, thats what makes soports cool. maybe the habs suck, maybe they dont. you are pretty pathetic tho. need facts for that statement? id gladly come over and inspect gather them!

cheers

blow it up
- daeth

Im buying NHL 20 just so I can use Toronto in Franchise mode and trade everyone. That’ll teach them.