Bill Meltzer: Wrapup: Flames Ground Flyers, 3-1

This is my first time replying on this website and im going to be truthful and honest, do you bums really want to talk about chris stewart and what other bums they have on this team. Do you guys actually watch hockey besides the flyers and realize that this is the same team we have watched for the last 8 plus years. They dont understand how to adapt to the new game and maybe it's probably because they dont have the players too adapt. It doesnt matter what coach they have, they have no speed, no skill and teams that know that they have no chance. They have no transition , have no system, when do you ever see them score a goal that looks like it was based off of skill or system. Its the same crap every year, dump and chase pay along the boards (which they suck) play it to the point and pray to go it goes through 6 players or hits someone to give them an opportunity. They are exactly like the philles of the nhl. JVR is irrelevant and we spent 7 mil a year for a guy they knew wasnt good enough when they first had him. Hayes is a 3rd liner on any good team and we spent 7 mil a year. G and Voracek do not have the speed too have these guys so they try to do too much or cant do anything, instead they would rather play half there team that are bums and can "grind", its pathetic. They have a lack of talent and still think the can play the "Flyer way" instead of letting Farabee and Frost and let them deal with the growing pains, if you have the speed and talent you will adjust after awhile. Id rather them be no playoff contention but look like somewhat exciting to watch then have a team that is so boring to watch and them fall 5 points behind the playoffs. Its bad hockey and i blame the talent evaluation from the front office. My 2 cents

This is my first time replying on this website and im going to be truthful and honest, do you bums really want to talk about chris stewart and what other bums they have on this team. Do you guys actually watch hockey besides the flyers and realize that this is the same team we have watched for the last 8 plus years. They dont understand how to adapt to the new game and maybe it's probably because they dont have the players too adapt. It doesnt matter what coach they have, they have no speed, no skill and teams that know that they have no chance. They have no transition , have no system, when do you ever see them score a goal that looks like it was based off of skill or system. Its the same crap every year, dump and chase pay along the boards (which they suck) play it to the point and pray to go it goes through 6 players or hits someone to give them an opportunity. They are exactly like the philles of the nhl. JVR is irrelevant and we spent 7 mil a year for a guy they knew wasnt good enough when they first had him. Hayes is a 3rd liner on any good team and we spent 7 mil a year. G and Voracek do not have the speed too have these guys so they try to do too much or cant do anything, instead they would rather play half there team that are bums and can "grind", its pathetic. They have a lack of talent and still think the can play the "Flyer way" instead of letting Farabee and Frost and let them deal with the growing pains, if you have the speed and talent you will adjust after awhile. Id rather them be no playoff contention but look like somewhat exciting to watch then have a team that is so boring to watch and them fall 5 points behind the playoffs. Its bad hockey and i blame the talent evaluation from the front office. My 2 cents
- rmcnamee08

Hey man, I appreciate somebody actually speaking out. I get thrashed here no matter what I say as they gang up on me but I have to jump in and add my two cents. First off Hayes is not a first line center and is taking valuable ice time away from the true number one center Couturier. Hayes is border line second line but ideally is a third line shutdown center than can kill penalties as well. They normally do not make 7 plus million a year. He does not fit with 93 and 28, that is obvious. I like the 14-11-23 line as it is the only one with a pulse. However I would reunite Couturier, Giroux and Konecny for line one. Hayes can try his luck with Lindblom and Voracek. JVR is in no mans land, not good along the wall and is primarily a pp specialist. Lindblom is a better 200' player already. I think Farabee needs to be called up and tried withy JVR and Laughton on line 3. Signing Steward was really dumb imo, what can he possibly add other than the odd scrap. Another idea would be using Couturier, Giroux, Hayes and Laughton as the four centers, give Farabee a shot in the top 9. Plus Gostisbehere and Braun are brutal defensively and Gost is playing like a ghost, just plain dumb passes, errant passes, and the slashing penalty should have had him benched. I sure hope things change in a hurry, it is early but too many invisible stars out there that are totally lost.

This is my first time replying on this website and im going to be truthful and honest, do you bums really want to talk about chris stewart and what other bums they have on this team. Do you guys actually watch hockey besides the flyers and realize that this is the same team we have watched for the last 8 plus years. They dont understand how to adapt to the new game and maybe it's probably because they dont have the players too adapt. It doesnt matter what coach they have, they have no speed, no skill and teams that know that they have no chance. They have no transition , have no system, when do you ever see them score a goal that looks like it was based off of skill or system. Its the same crap every year, dump and chase pay along the boards (which they suck) play it to the point and pray to go it goes through 6 players or hits someone to give them an opportunity. They are exactly like the philles of the nhl. JVR is irrelevant and we spent 7 mil a year for a guy they knew wasnt good enough when they first had him. Hayes is a 3rd liner on any good team and we spent 7 mil a year. G and Voracek do not have the speed too have these guys so they try to do too much or cant do anything, instead they would rather play half there team that are bums and can "grind", its pathetic. They have a lack of talent and still think the can play the "Flyer way" instead of letting Farabee and Frost and let them deal with the growing pains, if you have the speed and talent you will adjust after awhile. Id rather them be no playoff contention but look like somewhat exciting to watch then have a team that is so boring to watch and them fall 5 points behind the playoffs. Its bad hockey and i blame the talent evaluation from the front office. My 2 cents
- rmcnamee08

One more thing, I think AV has already been very unhappy with the play of many veterans. I hope he can regroup for the first homestand and turn things around. Hayes is going to be a problem if AV insists on making him the number one center. The fans know the teams best forward right now is Couturier and the only forward with speed, skill and tenacity is Konecny. Never seen a team have so many head cases like Voracek, Giroux and Gost, these guys get down and stay down for long periods of time but are awesome when playing well. Just hoping AV can revive this group. They are just as boring as Minnesota at present and that is really bad!

Joegreif17

They just lost one away game even if I agree with your core point
We are overpaying average players and there are too many players making more than
Couts.But don't agree on your solution .Frost and Farabee and even Konecny are no Top line player s now even if they are highly talented at offensive play
Plus who would you send down to make place for them?

They play the Oilers tomorrow, which is Wednesday, not Tuesday.

Looked like a Crapstol game from last season. 🥵 Kudos to the moose Elliott.

Ah yes, "JVR is irrelevant". The guy only manages to pot 30 goals a year, year after year.

Look, I don't like the mix of forwards they have. I haven't for a while. But let's give them more than 4 games and 1 regulation loss before burning it all to the ground.

This is my first time replying on this website and im going to be truthful and honest, do you bums really want to talk about chris stewart and what other bums they have on this team. Do you guys actually watch hockey besides the flyers and realize that this is the same team we have watched for the last 8 plus years. They dont understand how to adapt to the new game and maybe it's probably because they dont have the players too adapt. It doesnt matter what coach they have, they have no speed, no skill and teams that know that they have no chance. They have no transition , have no system, when do you ever see them score a goal that looks like it was based off of skill or system. Its the same crap every year, dump and chase pay along the boards (which they suck) play it to the point and pray to go it goes through 6 players or hits someone to give them an opportunity. They are exactly like the philles of the nhl. JVR is irrelevant and we spent 7 mil a year for a guy they knew wasnt good enough when they first had him. Hayes is a 3rd liner on any good team and we spent 7 mil a year. G and Voracek do not have the speed too have these guys so they try to do too much or cant do anything, instead they would rather play half there team that are bums and can "grind", its pathetic. They have a lack of talent and still think the can play the "Flyer way" instead of letting Farabee and Frost and let them deal with the growing pains, if you have the speed and talent you will adjust after awhile. Id rather them be no playoff contention but look like somewhat exciting to watch then have a team that is so boring to watch and them fall 5 points behind the playoffs. Its bad hockey and i blame the talent evaluation from the front office. My 2 cents
- rmcnamee08

You echo my sentiments exactly. This is not a bad team...it is a mediocre team and it has been for decades ( except the years when they are worse). The people who dispute me on this are blind optimists. Today you need speed and finesse. Someday, management will realize this, hoping it will be in my lifetime.We'll see what happens when we start to bring in our youth, but for now, this core does not work.

This is my first time replying on this website and im going to be truthful and honest, do you bums really want to talk about chris stewart and what other bums they have on this team. Do you guys actually watch hockey besides the flyers and realize that this is the same team we have watched for the last 8 plus years. They dont understand how to adapt to the new game and maybe it's probably because they dont have the players too adapt. It doesnt matter what coach they have, they have no speed, no skill and teams that know that they have no chance. They have no transition , have no system, when do you ever see them score a goal that looks like it was based off of skill or system. Its the same crap every year, dump and chase pay along the boards (which they suck) play it to the point and pray to go it goes through 6 players or hits someone to give them an opportunity. They are exactly like the philles of the nhl. JVR is irrelevant and we spent 7 mil a year for a guy they knew wasnt good enough when they first had him. Hayes is a 3rd liner on any good team and we spent 7 mil a year. G and Voracek do not have the speed too have these guys so they try to do too much or cant do anything, instead they would rather play half there team that are bums and can "grind", its pathetic. They have a lack of talent and still think the can play the "Flyer way" instead of letting Farabee and Frost and let them deal with the growing pains, if you have the speed and talent you will adjust after awhile. Id rather them be no playoff contention but look like somewhat exciting to watch then have a team that is so boring to watch and them fall 5 points behind the playoffs. Its bad hockey and i blame the talent evaluation from the front office. My 2 cents
- rmcnamee08

Pretty much. And they just keep twisting the knife with recent signings of jvr and Hayes. At least Hayes can play a bit but he’s is way overpaid. Jvr is a complete waste.

4 games in and our best player looks to be niskanen. How bad does he miss that caps team? Poor guy

Ah yes, "JVR is irrelevant". The guy only manages to pot 30 goals a year, year after year.

Look, I don't like the mix of forwards they have. I haven't for a while. But let's give them more than 4 games and 1 regulation loss before burning it all to the ground.
- hereticpride

I watched him last night be the first guy in on a loose puck behind the net in the offensive zone. He was ahead of the defender by a mile. That defenseman came away with the puck so quick I don’t even know if jvr touched it. Over and over again with him. He is good at deflections. 7 mil

Pretty much. And they just keep twisting the knife with recent signings of jvr and Hayes. At least Hayes can play a bit but he’s is way overpaid. Jvr is a complete waste.

4 games in and our best player looks to be niskanen. How bad does he miss that caps team? Poor guy
- Just5

Tough for JVR while Patrick is injured. I would have liked to see him play with Patrick and Farabee. A lot of people are down on the $$$ JVR and Hayes are making, to me its the contract of Jake they are stuck with for another 5 years. I was hoping he would have been moved last year, but I don't know if there is much of a market for him at 8M for the remainder of his deal. I still believe AV will get this team into the playoffs

You echo my sentiments exactly. This is not a bad team...it is a mediocre team and it has been for decades ( except the years when they are worse). The people who dispute me on this are blind optimists. Today you need speed and finesse. Someday, management will realize this, hoping it will be in my lifetime.We'll see what happens when we start to bring in our youth, but for now, this core does not work.
- DaveofYork

I'm willing to give the team 10-15 games into the season to see how this pans out, but if they go into a funk (not saying they will) as they normally do, first thing they'll do is call up perhaps Myers, and Farabee/Frost and send down bunman, Twarinski or whatever works.

I've said it before, but if we're out of a playoff spot come spring, I think AV and Fletch will have had enough time to evaluate the core, and make a hockey trade from that group. We've changed Gms, gotten an experienced coaching staff, and if nothing changes we know it's the core. Although I like him, I could see Jake gone at that point because I think that's the type of shakeup the team will require at that point. Lots to be hopeful about, but we've now gone since 2012 without winning a round which is ridiculous. Without progress, change up the core chemistry. Enough with the small support moves on the edges.

Looked like a Crapstol game from last season. 🥵 Kudos to the moose Elliott.
- Landsbergfan

Well, if they don't show up tonight, it could get ugly even with a solid showing from hart. The Oilers have been solid.

Tough for JVR while Patrick is injured. I would have liked to see him play with Patrick and Farabee. A lot of people are down on the $$$ JVR and Hayes are making, to me its the contract of Jake they are stuck with for another 5 years. I was hoping he would have been moved last year, but I don't know if there is much of a market for him at 8M for the remainder of his deal. I still believe AV will get this team into the playoffs
- 3flyerkids

Yea the only way we’re moving Jake is if we’re retaining a large sum of money. Or taking on a bad contract. I’d agree that jakes is the worst with that term.

Some of these vets look completely lost out there (ghost, Jake,jvr)

Ghost needs to be pulled off pp1 for sanheim. He was awful

Well that didn't take long. Hysterical.

Yea the only way we’re moving Jake is if we’re retaining a large sum of money. Or taking on a bad contract. I’d agree that jakes is the worst with that term.

Some of these vets look completely lost out there (ghost, Jake,jvr)

Ghost needs to be pulled off pp1 for sanheim. He was awful
- Just5

I like Ghost, but I could see him and Jake moved, even if we have to retain salary or send a pick. As long as we're in the playoff picture, I don't expect that to happen. It might be a move for the summer time if we crash and burn this season.

Well that didn't take long. Hysterical.
- MJL

I'm giving them 15-20 games before I start going hysterical. Insane road trip and sched to begin the season. We might be seeing the effect now.

I like how AV is managing the team in general though. Everyone should be held accountable.

It's nice to know that the Flyers are still the Flyers.
Don't show up for the first...or second period. Don't skate for no readily explainable reason. Take entire shifts off.

So much for AV making a big change in attitude. The only way that is going to happen is to further break up the core of the team. That is Giroux and Voracek. And neither will be easy to move.

Yea the only way we’re moving Jake is if we’re retaining a large sum of money. Or taking on a bad contract. I’d agree that jakes is the worst with that term.

Some of these vets look completely lost out there (ghost, Jake,jvr)

Ghost needs to be pulled off pp1 for sanheim. He was awful
- Just5

I wouldn't be surprised to see Morin in a game soon.

I'm giving them 15-20 games before I start going hysterical. Insane road trip and sched to begin the season. We might be seeing the effect now.

I like how AV is managing the team in general though. Everyone should be held accountable.
- Hextall271

I agree on giving them some time. New coach, some new players. Need to find some chemistry. I think this accountability aspect is being drastically overblown.

Well that didn't take long. Hysterical.
- MJL

Well what did you expect? Apparently the new guy thinks we are all bums.

Ghost needs to be pulled off pp1 for sanheim. He was awful
- Just5

Time to scapegoat one player. Everyone else on PP1 was really good. Just held back by Gostisbehere.

Time to scapegoat one player. Everyone else on PP1 was really good. Just held back by Gostisbehere.
- MJL

Funny he's getting singled out when Jake looked far worse on the PP imo

Well what did you expect? Apparently the new guy thinks we are all bums.
- MBFlyerfan

New guy set a record for being added to the list. He's got Joegreif on his side though.