My 2 cents
Still giving up way to many scoring chances where goalies are bailing out team
Seabrook plays next season and then they buy him out unless they sit him and he ask to be trade but to where? with that contract , maybe Hawks have to pay 5 Mil of contract to move him.
We are rebuilding even if front office won't admit it.
Lots of D coming down pike , does another vet get moved too?

Yep. Crazy. Seabs still thinks he is worthy of a top 4 spot on the Hawks or any team. He is playing 18 minutes per night, more or less supporting his contention. Not walking away from $6.875mil for the next 4 years. A FO favorite. I could see him being traded if the Hawks eat a good part of his salary, but their is that NMC issue. He could waive his NMC to the right team, with the right coach, in the right situation. He could be traded to a team like Ottawa in the summer, with the understanding they would buy him out. Then he could resign with another team for way less money. Hawks could buy him out if Cap goes way up, but kind of doubt it.
- -Doh-

Think we got a preview of how things are gonna end with Seabs and the Hawks whenever and however that is when he was scratched. He voiced his opinion publicly, wasn't gonna be quiet about his being scratched. If this was a Panik, Daley or Perlini type not that big a deal but when it's a leader that wears a letter it will be a problem.

Selfishly I pretty much knew when Stan signed him to that hideous contract I knew one of my favorite all time ever Hawks as gonna get stained in the minds of fans before the deal was over.

That he's a 7th Dman, refuses to acknowledge that and squawks publicly when he's scratched there is simply no good ending/outcome.

Think we got a preview of how things are gonna end with Seabs and the Hawks whenever and however that is when he was scratched. He voiced his opinion publicly, wasn't gonna be quiet about his being scratched. If this was a Panik, Daley or Perlini type not that big a deal but when it's a leader that wears a letter it will be a problem.

Selfishly I pretty much knew when Stan signed him to that hideous contract I knew one of my favorite all time ever Hawks as gonna get stained in the minds of fans before the deal was over.

That he's a 7th Dman, refuses to acknowledge that and squawks publicly when he's scratched there is simply no good ending/outcome.
- Mr Ricochet

Can someone update his fancy stats vis-à-vis our other defenders? LBR where are you?

Stan can always flip one of Murphy, de Haan or Maatta for an asset this summer. There's always a market for veteran defensemen who aren't terrible. Sometimes even for ones that are terrible (looking at you Timonen & Rundblad).
- scottak

Think it was Lazerus that pointed out at the beginning of the season the last 3ish yrs the Hawks had used 10-11 Dmen each yr. Betting that's the rule more than the exception around the league.

So without doubt a Murphy or De Haan would garner a lot of interest and even a guy like Maatta. Gus too if and when that time comes. All players 28 or under and none making more than 4.5 mil.

As I mentioned in the last thread IMO despite all that De Haan has brought to the club the best is he can pair with a Seabrook and make him less a liability with the ability to play both sides......... Don't see StanBowPops&McD in any hurry to move this guy.

Sounds crazy right? I’m thinking (probably foolishly) that at some point pride will dictate that he steps down...especially if he’s looking at spending most of the season as a healthy scratch. This is the last year that his salary exceeds his cap hit. Just a gut feeling that he will slide into a cushy front office job after this season. He’ll get his money (most of it anyway), just not as a player.

You heard it hear first folks.
- Ogilthorpe2

If Luongo can do it, why not Seabrook? The league will allow them for now, but some back to punish teams who do this 2-3 years later.

My 2 cents
Still giving up way to many scoring chances where goalies are bailing out team
Seabrook plays next season and then they buy him out unless they sit him and he ask to be trade but to where? with that contract , maybe Hawks have to pay 5 Mil of contract to move him.
We are rebuilding even if front office won't admit it.
Lots of D coming down pike , does another vet get moved too?
- CTblackhawkfan

I don’t know, we all obviously follow pretty closely. I know it rankles some people that team isn’t honest about being in rebuild mode; but if you (not you specifically) are anything more than a casual fan, I’m not sure how you view moves made, young players being called up or making the team like Dach, as being anything but the team being in a rebuild mode.

I’m fine with it because from where I sit it seems they are trying to make moves where they can and ease the future Core into the lineup while transitioning the current Core to possibly adopt lesser roles.

Campbell’s deal got moved and that appeared also immovable so never say never. If it does happen I’m sure it won’t be pretty but I think a scenario like Ogi mentioned plays out, though I could see Seabs trying to play one more year.

Think it was Lazerus that pointed out at the beginning of the season the last 3ish yrs the Hawks had used 10-11 Dmen each yr. Betting that's the rule more than the exception around the league.

So without doubt a Murphy or De Haan would garner a lot of interest and even a guy like Maatta. Gus too if and when that time comes. All players 28 or under and none making more than 4.5 mil.

As I mentioned in the last thread IMO despite all that De Haan has brought to the club the best is he can pair with a Seabrook and make him less a liability with the ability to play both sides......... Don't see StanBowPops&McD in any hurry to move this guy.
- Mr Ricochet

Toronto would be desparate for any one of the three

Sounds crazy right? I’m thinking (probably foolishly) that at some point pride will dictate that he steps down...especially if he’s looking at spending most of the season as a healthy scratch. This is the last year that his salary exceeds his cap hit. Just a gut feeling that he will slide into a cushy front office job after this season. He’ll get his money (most of it anyway), just not as a player.

You heard it hear first folks.
- Ogilthorpe2

This would be the absolute be the best case scenario for both the Hawks and Seabrook to end his career on his own decision without being traded to another team and just being a contract that is moved around to help teams reach the cap floor. I love Brooksie. He's been one of my favorite Hawks and it hurts to see how much his play has fallen off from the ELITE level he was playing at prior to the drop off he's had. I think people sometimes forget just how good he was when he signed.

I wonder though sometimes, did he really fall off THAT much OR has the league becoming younger and faster pass him up? I feel more the latter on that one because we've seen him play very solidly at times this year but struggle facing certain opponents. I think we can all agree that the salary more than anything is why fans have turned on him. If he was making HALF or I'd even argue if he was making LESS than Keith it wouldn't be as egregious. It's a shame the NHL salary structure is set up the way it is that teams are stuck with these contracts and there is little to nothing they can do about it.

Think it was Lazerus that pointed out at the beginning of the season the last 3ish yrs the Hawks had used 10-11 Dmen each yr. Betting that's the rule more than the exception around the league.

So without doubt a Murphy or De Haan would garner a lot of interest and even a guy like Maatta. Gus too if and when that time comes. All players 28 or under and none making more than 4.5 mil.

As I mentioned in the last thread IMO despite all that De Haan has brought to the club the best is he can pair with a Seabrook and make him less a liability with the ability to play both sides......... Don't see StanBowPops&McD in any hurry to move this guy.
- Mr Ricochet

Gus most definitely would be the first to be moved if the Hawks fall out. After that one of Murphy, de Haan, and Maatta could be dangled as well to help clear the way for Boqvist, Mitchell, and Beaudin in the next year or so here. Lot depends on the Seabrook situation as well.

Can someone update his fancy stats vis-à-vis our other defenders? LBR where are you?
- -Doh-

This site has the easiest to understand and most rudimentary fancies.

Hawk roster: https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/CHI/

Seabs: https://www.hockey-refere.../players/s/seabrbr01.html

All Hawk Dmen are under water in corsi% but Seabs is the worst. But just taking corsi alone is looking at a part of the picture in a vacuum. ...... A guy like Seabs the eye test does it for me for the most part.

This would be the absolute be the best case scenario for both the Hawks and Seabrook to end his career on his own decision without being traded to another team and just being a contract that is moved around to help teams reach the cap floor. I love Brooksie. He's been one of my favorite Hawks and it hurts to see how much his play has fallen off from the ELITE level he was playing at prior to the drop off he's had. I think people sometimes forget just how good he was when he signed.

I wonder though sometimes, did he really fall off THAT much OR has the league becoming younger and faster pass him up? I feel more the latter on that one because we've seen him play very solidly at times this year but struggle facing certain opponents. I think we can all agree that the salary more than anything is why fans have turned on him. If he was making HALF or I'd even argue if he was making LESS than Keith it wouldn't be as egregious. It's a shame the NHL salary structure is set up the way it is that teams are stuck with these contracts and there is little to nothing they can do about it.
- Savetheembers33

Teams are stuck with these contracts and there is little to nothing they can do about it? They could stop giving them out.

Toronto would be desparate for any one of the three
- LAHawk

You know that with Ceci playing solid hockey, skating 22:00 a night and in the plus column they have a solid top 3 in Reilly, Muzzin and Ceci. And with Reilly and Barrie able to be #1 PP guys with Muzzin a solid PP guy too they ain't as bad off as say last yr. Ceci seems an upgrade over Gardiner on that roster and of course they added Barrie.

Dare I say it's the Babcock system that's in question?

Toronto would be desparate for any one of the three
- LAHawk

But couldn't handle the cap hit without some surgery.

Can someone update his fancy stats vis-à-vis our other defenders? LBR where are you?
- -Doh-

Natural Stat Trick 5v5

Corsi 42.77%
Scoring chances 41.78%
High danger SC 42.35%
OZoneStarts 45.07%

His numbers are similar to Maatta, except Maatta gets a lot more OZone starts.

The only Hawk D above 50% are Murphy & Koekkoek.

But don’t forget, D is a team thing.

For point of reference, Seabrook’s regular season Corsi in 14-15 was 51.97%, with 56.68 OZone starts.

Gus most definitely would be the first to be moved if the Hawks fall out. After that one of Murphy, de Haan, and Maatta could be dangled as well to help clear the way for Boqvist, Mitchell, and Beaudin in the next year or so here. Lot depends on the Seabrook situation as well.
- Savetheembers33

A thought came to me about Gus. He put up 60 points in say 50ish games under Colliton, and on this roster has the best PP skills of all Dmen it would seem.

The PP didn't quite click to start the yr and the losses piled up but replacing Gus with Keith on the #1 PP seemed a bit quick, but ok. It has since been 5ish games that Keith has remained the #1 PP Dman.

If the Hawks are in it at the TDL I don't feel they would hand over the reigns of the PP to a teenager in Bovquist on a team in a battle for a playoff spot. Could it be that the long look at Keith on the #1 PP is to see if they can move Gus and still compete for a playoff spot without hurting the PP?

In other words can Gus be moved and the Hawks still have a solid enough PP to get into the playoffs with Keith as the PP QB?

But couldn't handle the cap hit without some surgery.
- mohel

Well, they have Reilly under contract next year, McDermid is a RFA, all the rest are UFA's. I think they would jump at some cost certainty for the next couple of years instead of not knowing what they could end up with nest year. They could fanagle the cap. Maybe we take one of the LTIR's they have that expire this year and just brinng Bovquist up. Too bad they don't have a #1 pick cause that would be the price for "helping them out".

I don’t know, we all obviously follow pretty closely. I know it rankles some people that team isn’t honest about being in rebuild mode; but if you (not you specifically) are anything more than a casual fan, I’m not sure how you view moves made, young players being called up or making the team like Dach, as being anything but the team being in a rebuild mode.

I’m fine with it because from where I sit it seems they are trying to make moves where they can and ease the future Core into the lineup while transitioning the current Core to possibly adopt lesser roles.

Campbell’s deal got moved and that appeared also immovable so never say never. If it does happen I’m sure it won’t be pretty but I think a scenario like Ogi mentioned plays out, though I could see Seabs trying to play one more year.
- HawkintheD

I think 7 has been solid this year except for that Philly game, brutal.

I don't want the Campbell trade then we get a bad contract in return. I'd rather they continue on the path they are on, young dmen at least 1 who will be seeing 20 minutes a night, but i guess Mitchell isn't going to sign here since GP said so, and go forward in this manner. If we get enough young dmen who are on their rookie contracts, if 7 gets bad enough he can watch from the press box

Interesting, in 14-15, van Riemsdyk had a CF of 60.05%, Erixon was at 57.14% & Rundblad was 56.87.

Keith was over 55%

Seabrook will retire after this season. Book it.

He will open a B&B for young Hawks players and the team will pay him $100k a night.

Sounds crazy right? I’m thinking (probably foolishly) that at some point pride will dictate that he steps down...especially if he’s looking at spending most of the season as a healthy scratch. This is the last year that his salary exceeds his cap hit. Just a gut feeling that he will slide into a cushy front office job after this season. He’ll get his money (most of it anyway), just not as a player.

You heard it hear first folks.
- Ogilthorpe2

You can pay me $7m a year to watch hockey from a press box.

You can pay me $7m a year to watch hockey from a press box.
- rpeters01

I’ll do it for $1mil

Should we be hoping that Gus plays great (offensively, because we know playing great defensively is not a possibility)? And if he does is he traded before the TDL for a high draft pick or an "A" level prospect OR if they are playing well and he is clicking offensively do they keep him for a playoff run.

Maybe a best case scenario. Gus plays great and the Hawks are in playoff contention. The Hawks are not fooled into thinking they are serious Cup contenders this year. They move Gus at or before the TDL for a very good return. They bring up Boqvist and still make the playoffs.
- -Doh-

I see no way Gus is on the team at the end of the season.

Interesting, in 14-15, van Riemsdyk had a CF of 60.05%, Erixon was at 57.14% & Rundblad was 56.87.

Keith was over 55%
- scottak

Having defensively minded forwards that also put on plenty of offensive pressure sure doesn't hurt.

Interesting, in 14-15, van Riemsdyk had a CF of 60.05%, Erixon was at 57.14% & Rundblad was 56.87.

Keith was over 55%
- scottak

Those stats and eye test do not correlate. This is precisely why you cannot use analytics as a stand alone to determine how a player is performing.
Just so Mo’s response, that makes sense as well.