Jan Levine: Game 18: FLA 4 NYR 3, Penalties kill again, Haley waived, Andersson demoted
Loss followed by roster moves

Thank God Haley is finally gone

Should have sent Andersson and Howden down and brought up Gettinger and Boo.

Boo can skate and is somewhat physical. I think Howden is worse than Andersson. More minutes, better linemates and he has 4 (frank)ing points

^Yeah you ain't lying about Howden. I think they thought they could showcase him and maybe trade him with the logjam at center, but who wants him at this point?

Would you rather

Strome Panarin Zibanejad
Kreider Chytil Buchnevich
Kakko Howden Fast
Lemieux McKegg Smith

OR

Strome Panarin Fast
Kreider Chytil Buchnevich
Kakko Zibanejad Lemieux
McKegg Howden Smith

Would you rather

Strome Panarin Zibanejad
Kreider Chytil Buchnevich
Kakko Howden Fast
Lemieux McKegg Smith

OR

Strome Panarin Fast
Kreider Chytil Buchnevich
Kakko Zibanejad Lemieux
Fast McKegg Smith
- evitageN

Fast ain’t good enough to play on two lines

^Yeah you ain't lying about Howden. I think they thought they could showcase him and maybe trade him with the logjam at center, but who wants him at this point?

The Rangers DO NOT have a log jam at center.

The Rangers DO NOT have a log jam at center.
- Brukie

Um ok. They have too many guys who play the center ice position, a winger who is better in the face off dot than all if them, and an unhealthy fascination with the way Howden plays? I believe that is what he meant.

The Rangers DO NOT have a log jam at center.
- Brukie

But they DO have Panarin for another 6 years after this...and its wonderful

But they DO have Panarin for another 6 years after this...and its wonderful
- TPC

Yes and another 2 years before they make the playoffs, all good

Yes and another 2 years before they make the playoffs, all good
- Brukie

So wait, even in your fantasy world where the Rangers will make the playoffs in two years, you wouldn't want to have Panarin in his prime for potential 4 playoff seasons??? Makes no sense to me

Fast ain’t good enough to play on two lines
- way out west

YOu're right I messed that up.

Um ok. They have too many guys who play the center ice position, a winger who is better in the face off dot than all if them, and an unhealthy fascination with the way Howden plays? I believe that is what he meant.
- tbreinold

The Rangers have Strome, Chytil, Howden, Zibanejad and Anderson. Out of the 5 Mika is the only one who has proven himself. Strome is excelling for the first time in years and Chytil is playing better. Howden hasnt been impressive at all. Anderson has been banished. Id say we could use another center since it is the most important foward position.

So wait, even in your fantasy world where the Rangers will make the playoffs in two years, you wouldn't want to have Panarin in his prime for potential 4 playoff seasons??? Makes no sense to me
- TPC

Ok so you are saying that its a fantasy that the Rangers make the playoffs in 2 years?? Wow you really want to extend the rebuild.

I said make the playoffs, not contend for a Cup. Big difference.

The talking heads consider a players prime years as 24 to about 29 and then they say their skill set starts to decline. Of course there are players who break the typical mold. Ovie, Crosby even Shea Weber are a small handful of those who dont, but look at those who are a bust, Lucic, Erickson, Perry, Subban, Ryan, Ladd, Johnson, Phaneuf, Seabrook, Parise hell Id throw in Sergy Bobrosky and Karlson because those contracts will be nothing but dead weight in a few years.

So using that time frame as a general example Panarin will be 31 to 32 when we will be contending for a Cup. Past what will be considered his prime. Hopefully he will be still playing as he is now, maybe even at the point per game pace. He is on a torrent pace. Looking at a 100 point season playing with Strome and Fast. Still he isnt enough to carry the team. After almost 20 games we are a sub .500 team. if he isnt playing as he is now, his contract will be nothing but an anchor. Thats the harsh reality of it.

The Rangers have Strome, Chytil, Howden, Zibanejad and Anderson. Out of the 5 Mika is the only one who has proven himself. Strome is excelling for the first time in years and Chytil is playing better. Howden hasnt been impressive at all. Anderson has been banished. Id say we could use another center since it is the most important foward position.
- Brukie

I mean you aren't wrong..... Though I still don't get the Howden hate. For all the griping that Lias and Chytil should have been given an opportunity from the get go and that these growing pains will be part of the process, Howden is also a young player who was given the opportunity and is having growing pains.

Maybe Strome's problem all along was Edmonton. He's now been effective with two different teams.

Ok so you are saying that its a fantasy that the Rangers make the playoffs in 2 years?? Wow you really want to extend the rebuild.

I said make the playoffs, not contend for a Cup. Big difference.

The talking heads consider a players prime years as 24 to about 29 and then they say their skill set starts to decline. Of course there are players who break the typical mold. Ovie, Crosby even Shea Weber are a small handful of those who dont, but look at those who are a bust, Lucic, Erickson, Perry, Subban, Ryan, Ladd, Johnson, Phaneuf, Seabrook, Parise hell Id throw in Sergy Bobrosky and Karlson because those contracts will be nothing but dead weight in a few years.

So using that time frame as a general example Panarin will be 31 to 32 when we will be contending for a Cup. Past what will be considered his prime. Hopefully he will be still playing as he is now, maybe even at the point per game pace. He is on a torrent pace. Looking at a 100 point season playing with Strome and Fast. Still he isnt enough to carry the team. After almost 20 games we are a sub .500 team. if he isnt playing as he is now, his contract will be nothing but an anchor. Thats the harsh reality of it.
- Brukie

No it's not reality at all, this is all just your opinion. Panarin isn't a typical player who came to the NHL and dealt with the grind since he was 19 years old. His rookie year was the age of 24, so yea according to your opinion of "breaking the mold" he is already breaking it there. Panarin at age 29 isn't like most players at age 29. And you admitted he is on a 100 point pace playing with Strome and Fast. You don't think the talent will get better every year going forward?

I mean you aren't wrong..... Though I still don't get the Howden hate. For all the griping that Lias and Chytil should have been given an opportunity from the get go and that these growing pains will be part of the process, Howden is also a young player who was given the opportunity and is having growing pains.

Maybe Strome's problem all along was Edmonton. He's now been effective with two different teams.
- 2sticks1puck

I dont know why they are beating on Howden also. 6"3' 21yo and a center. Hopefully he can be a solid 3rd line player. This team is in a flux. CK 20 will most likely will be gone, Staal, Smith, Fast and Hank will be gone within 2 years. Huge roster turnover. It will take time for players to adapt and gel again.

Jim Matheson
@NHLbyMatty

While there's been talk of a Jesse Puljujarvi-Lias Andersson possible Edm/NYR trade scenario, the scouting book on the Swedish first-rounder Andersson is he's a bottom six NHLer who doesn't have a lot of pace to his game
12:50 PM · Nov 17, 201

Strome played the second half of last season very well so years isn't accurate!

because one person on this blog is negative about absolutely everything that means it turns the whole blog into a negativity (frank)fest

Brukie is a (frank)ing bumhole that's all
- jimbo83

Yea I am at the point now that he is doing this on purpose, almost Tom-ish

Would you rather

Strome Panarin Zibanejad
Kreider Chytil Buchnevich
Kakko Howden Fast
Lemieux McKegg Smith

OR

Strome Panarin Fast
Kreider Chytil Buchnevich
Kakko Zibanejad Lemieux
McKegg Howden Smith
- evitageN

Mika on the wing or third line center??? Not to sure about that, Mika was the best on the ice before he got hurt as our number 1 center and Kakko should be on our top line as well, the kid was getting really hot until the flue bug bit!

Panarin Zibanejad Kakko
Kreider Chytil Buch
Lemieux or Gettinger Strome Fast
Gettinger or Lemieux McKegg Smith

Howden should go down to the AHL with Anderson and find and strengthen their games with plenty of Ice time for both and build confidence!

No it's not reality at all, this is all just your opinion. Panarin isn't a typical player who came to the NHL and dealt with the grind since he was 19 years old. His rookie year was the age of 24, so yea according to your opinion of "breaking the mold" he is already breaking it there. Panarin at age 29 isn't like most players at age 29. And you admitted he is on a 100 point pace playing with Strome and Fast. You don't think the talent will get better every year going forward?
- TPC

No it is the harsh reality of life in the NHL. Ive listed a bunch of contracts signed by players between the ages of 26-29 and within 3 to 4 years of signing the contracts the players couldnt play up to expectations. If you were a betting man, would you bet he will get better as he gets older or will his lay decline as he gets older??

Most people dont understand what im saying about Panarin. There is no doubt about his talent and skill set. Of course if the Rangers were contending for a Cup, he is the guy most likely to push us over the top. Imagine having him in 2014!!!

If there wasnt a Cap it wouldnt matter either but there is so you dont know how his production will be for the cap hit his contract is.

I completely disagree about him not being a typical 28yo. No matter how you want to spin it. Yes he played his first NHL game at 24 but he played in the KHL for 7 years. Do you think he didnt skate or train in that 7 years period?? Na there isnt any wear and tear on his knees and joints. This isnt the NHL from the 80's or 90's where you were allowed to beat on a player and not get called. poop today you cant even fart and not get called for a penalty. No more clutching, grabbing and holding. One little tap on the hands and you are called. the game is more open as it is in the KHL, same amount of wear and tear.

Jim Matheson
@NHLbyMatty

While there's been talk of a Jesse Puljujarvi-Lias Andersson possible Edm/NYR trade scenario, the scouting book on the Swedish first-rounder Andersson is he's a bottom six NHLer who doesn't have a lot of pace to his game
12:50 PM · Nov 17, 201
- jimbo83

Still think Lias is an overpayment for Jesse. Until proven otherwise, pool party is not a proven NHL player. When you can't score with the best player in the whole league feeding you, it's not a good look.

Besides, Yakupov who had more production, went for a song and can't find NHL work now. I'm being completely serious is saying I'd almost rather take a flyer on him than Jesse. At least as a winger, Yakupov has scored a few times.

Mika on the wing or third line center??? Not to sure about that, Mika was the best on the ice before he got hurt as our number 1 center and Kakko should be on our top line as well, the kid was getting really hot until the flue bug bit!

Panarin Zibanejad Kakko
Kreider Chytil Buch
Lemieux or Gettinger Strome Fast
Gettinger or Lemieux McKegg Smith

Howden should go down to the AHL with Anderson and find and strengthen their games with plenty of Ice time for both and build confidence!
- patersonnick46

Mika has been out awhile. He aint coming back in game shape. Strome and Panarin are carrying the offense at slightly over a point per game pace. No way I break up Strome and Panarin