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BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 19 @ 12:14 PM ET
Probably never said it out loud but it sure looks that way this morning.
- Scabeh

joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Nov 19 @ 12:14 PM ET
Josh Anderson is a priority....nylander straight up i would offer.. columbus would probably say no...
- CarlitoBrigante


This is the kind of logic that made David Clarkson a thing, except this time we want to throw Willie away for it? Anderson has 1 goal and 1 assist ffs.

There are ways to make a lineup heavier without having to flick away a solid asset to make it happen.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 19 @ 12:15 PM ET
name 3 top6 forwards that were put on waivers last 5 seasons and not picked up by another nhl team.
- MaximusAurelius

Why do I have to name top 6 forwards?

Petan is not a top 6 forward. He is a depth player that is playing in the lineup because of injuries. He is signed for just under 800K so they can use him as an emergency call up the next few years.

What is your problem with that?
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 19 @ 12:16 PM ET
name 3 top6 forwards that were put on waivers last 5 seasons and not picked up by another nhl team.
- MaximusAurelius


how did this escalate to only "top 6 forwards"?

Oh wait, are we ignoring facts again for the sake of arguing with ourselves? You know, again?
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 19 @ 12:17 PM ET
Why do I have to name top 6 forwards?

Petan is not a top 6 forward. He is a depth player that is playing in the lineup because of injuries. He is signed for just under 800K so they can use him as an emergency call up the next few years.

What is your problem with that?

- Santo_44



I'm asking for clarification, I gots dis..
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 19 @ 12:18 PM ET
how did this escalate to only "top 6 forwards"?

Oh wait, are we ignoring facts again for the sake of arguing with ourselves? You know, again?

- PatC80

(frank)ing ridiculous eh?

It is so hard to discuss hockey with that guy.
munky123
Montreal Canadiens
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 05.10.2011

Nov 19 @ 12:19 PM ET
What's the criteria for this statement? If I'm talking about a 4th line, I'm talking about 4th deployment at 5v5 play - not including any special teams play.

If that's the case, then this statistic you cite seems way off. Assuming that Nate Thompson is the Canadiens' 4th line centre, at 5v5 play, his line has been on the ice for the following:

1GF against the Capitals
1GF against the Bruins
1GF against the Coyotes
1GF against the Leafs
1GF against the Stars
1GF against the Hurricanes

BTW, based on the production and deployment of the lines, that is the 4th line.

- Monkeypunk




Thanks Monkey, i am dumb, and missread the article. my apologies and thanks for the correction.

"How’s their depth? As solid as it gets. Montreal’s eight defencemen and the fourth line of Nick Cousins, Nate Thompson and Jordan Weal have combined for 21 goals and 57 points. The rest of the team has combined for 49 goals and 112 points."
CarlitoBrigante
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.22.2012

Nov 19 @ 12:19 PM ET
This is the kind of logic that made David Clarkson a thing, except this time we want to throw Willie away for it? Anderson has 1 goal and 1 assist ffs.

There are ways to make a lineup heavier without having to flick away a solid asset to make it happen.

- joel878


solid asset?? LOL.... pastrnak is a solid asset.... not nylander

no chance of winning a cup with this guy....



BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 19 @ 12:19 PM ET
First of all both the coach and GM are heavily involved in who is up and down. Anyone denying that the coach doesn't have a heavy influence on who makes the team and who doesn't is wrong. There is nothing wrong with the fact Petan has bounced up and down....in fact IMO they gave him the two years so he could be a player they can sneak through waivers this year.

Secondly, Petan is in the NHL right now.

Your original comment was saying Petan shouldn't be on the 3rd line and blamed Dubas for it.

Now answer this...Who decides who plays where in the lineup?

- Santo_44



not what I said at all... Petan was called back up when Marner was injured I believe... who calls him up?
why not call up Engvall before hand?

I believe that's on Dubas - as he's trying create a market for Petan.

you disagree... you haven't said why.

Why Petan is on the 3rd line... I don't know.
Why he's the first recall is on Dubas.

GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Nov 19 @ 12:20 PM ET
(frank)ing ridiculous eh?

It is so hard to discuss hockey with that guy.

- Santo_44




daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 19 @ 12:21 PM ET
Maybe?

I'm starting to think maybe Max is actually Mike Babcock.. They both love Hyman, they both pretend to be ok with changes.. They both like hockey.

- PatC80

debatable
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Nov 19 @ 12:21 PM ET
(frank)ing ridiculous eh?

It is so hard to discuss hockey with that guy.

- Santo_44


you were criticizing babcock for putting petan on the third line.
so the logical deduction there is that you see petan as a top6 fw.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 19 @ 12:22 PM ET
solid asset?? LOL.... pastrnak is a solid asset.... not nylander

no chance of winning a cup with this guy....




- CarlitoBrigante



Remember when this guy couldn't win?

joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Nov 19 @ 12:23 PM ET
solid asset?? LOL.... pastrnak is a solid asset.... not nylander

no chance of winning a cup with this guy....




- CarlitoBrigante


No, David Pastrnak falls into the group of players you don't trade.

Yes we were all subjected to years of everyone saying Kessel would never win a cup and then left here and won two.

Don't be stupid, a young player who's 3rd on the team in scoring and has already scored two 60 point seasons has value and is a quality asset.

Why don't we trade kapanen for Matt Martin while we're at it...
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 19 @ 12:24 PM ET
you were criticizing babcock for putting petan on the third line.
so the logical deduction there is that you see petan as a top6 fw.

- MaximusAurelius



Wait... Wasn't your original comment about how Petan shouldn't be on the 3rd line and claimed it was Dubas' fault?
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Nov 19 @ 12:24 PM ET
A few games back, Leafs scored the OT winning goal. Everybody on the bench was jumping and screaming, except Willie - he just stood there without a smile and stared...!
Anyone remember?

Edit: last 5 secs
https://www.nhl.com/video...fs/t-310368780/c-70172703

- 21peter

fierce competitors like him don’t crack a smile until their hoisting the cup👍
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 19 @ 12:25 PM ET
not what I said at all... Petan was called back up when Marner was injured I believe... who calls him up?
why not call up Engvall before hand?

I believe that's on Dubas - as he's trying create a market for Petan.

you disagree... you haven't said why.

Why Petan is on the 3rd line... I don't know.
Why he's the first recall is on Dubas.

- BorjeFan4Ever

I will answer that and it is very simple.

Petan played 1 of 4 games after Marner was injured.

They don't need to bring up a guy they see potential in just to send him up and down. That is why they have guys like Petan...it sucks for him but thats his place in the NHL.

Next answer. He is on the 3rd line because of the type of player he is. Babcock 100% uses his 4th line for D zone starts. Petan isn't the type of player for that role.

Now there are 3 forwards injured. There is a spot on that 3rd line to play a different role. Babs playes Spezza and Petan on that 3rd line or not at all....and it is obvious to me WHY he does.
mcleafs
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.01.2013

Nov 19 @ 12:26 PM ET
Petan is not a remote issue with the Leafs, and anyone saying so is delusional.

What IS a problem however, is Petan playing 14-15 min a night when Tavares and Matthews are averaging around 18-19.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Nov 19 @ 12:26 PM ET
Remember when this guy couldn't win?


- PatC80

Now the Coyotes on the rise? Coincidence? I eat not!
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 19 @ 12:26 PM ET
you were criticizing babcock for putting petan on the third line.
so the logical deduction there is that you see petan as a top6 fw.

- MaximusAurelius

Huh?

show me.

You are either putting words in my mouth or misinterpreted what I said. Show me.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Nov 19 @ 12:26 PM ET
solid asset?? LOL.... pastrnak is a solid asset.... not nylander

no chance of winning a cup with this guy....




- CarlitoBrigante

The reporter's erection popping into the picture at the end is awkward.

Understandable.

But still awkward.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 19 @ 12:28 PM ET
Now the Coyotes on the rise? Coincidence? I eat not!
- AdamFrench



The Coyotes are a part of the hotdog uprising.. It's a revolution.. Arizona just happens to be the hotdog capital of the world.. Maybe, I don't franking know..
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 19 @ 12:28 PM ET
The reporter's erection popping into the picture at the end is awkward.

Understandable.

But still awkward.

- Atomic Wedgie





it's huge
CarlitoBrigante
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.22.2012

Nov 19 @ 12:29 PM ET
Josh Anderson is from Burlington, probably a leafs fan growing up, saves you about $5 million on the cap, is exactly what this team needs, is a decent skater, finally some protection for our stars and can stand in front of the net during the PP, which nobody does right now..

take the cap room and get better defense on your team....

we dont need nylander or more like him....this team is full of the same types of shinny players who dont hit or want to get hit and thats THE MAJOR PROBLEM ...
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Nov 19 @ 12:30 PM ET
Josh Anderson is from Burlington, probably a leafs fan growing up, saves you about $5 million on the cap, is exactly what this team needs, is a decent skater, finally some protection for our stars and can stand in front of the net during the PP, which nobody does right now..

take the cap room and get better defense on your team....

we dont need nylander or more like him....this team is full of the same types of shinny players who dont hit or want to get hit and thats THE MAJOR PROBLEM ...

- CarlitoBrigante

You can get players from the Toronto area that play hard without giving up one of your best players.
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