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walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Nov 19 @ 2:50 PM ET
this just may be babcocks last game behind the bench in Toronto.

crazy.

- Lucas.Neilson

No one in the organization has the balls to fire the man.

I think he knows that too
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 19 @ 2:50 PM ET
If it's a big money deal that has to go, it's one of Tavares, Matthews, or Marner. While it is opinion, I don't feel Nylanders is valid here, because even without his, you still have 3 contracts over 10 million a year. And I'm pretty sure no other team in the league can say that.

So which of the three is it that goes? We can't fault dubas for not making a choice we wouldn't make ourselves. Because had he made that choice, you are very representative of the crowd that would have blasted him and said it's his fault for trading one of the big 3.

I pick Marner personally...

- joel878


Between Marner, Tavares and Matthews.. Yes, I think you trade Marner first.. If you absolutely had to trade someone.. I think you always keep the center and trade the winger first
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 19 @ 2:53 PM ET
No one in the organization has the balls to fire the man.

I think he knows that too

- walshyleafsfan



Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 19 @ 3:01 PM ET
If it's a big money deal that has to go, it's one of Tavares, Matthews, or Marner. While it is opinion, I don't feel Nylanders is valid here, because even without his, you still have 3 contracts over 10 million a year. And I'm pretty sure no other team in the league can say that.

So which of the three is it that goes? We can't fault dubas for not making a choice we wouldn't make ourselves. Because had he made that choice, you are very representative of the crowd that would have blasted him and said it's his fault for trading one of the big 3.

I pick Marner personally...

- joel878


I think there was a general consensus that if the choice was marner at 10.5 vs 4 1sts, 4 1sts would win out.

Marner at 10.9 should be the one.

Or wait 2-3 years for those contracts to be better value
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Nov 19 @ 3:03 PM ET
I think there was a general consensus that if the choice was marner at 10.5 vs 4 1sts, 4 1sts would win out.

Marner at 10.9 should be the one.

Or wait 2-3 years for those contracts to be better value

- Tumbleweed

Pretty much everyone was saying take the 4 1sts. You're crazy not to, especially when you consider almost any team that could afford that would be ones that have the space and therefore probably aren't all that good.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Nov 19 @ 3:12 PM ET
Pretty much everyone was saying take the 4 1sts. You're crazy not to, especially when you consider almost any team that could afford that would be ones that have the space and therefore probably aren't all that good.
- RickJames77



Agreed.

Dubas should have listened to the outsiders on how to handle the contract negotiations..

#FansKnowMore
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Nov 19 @ 3:18 PM ET
I think there was a general consensus that if the choice was marner at 10.5 vs 4 1sts, 4 1sts would win out.

Marner at 10.9 should be the one.

Or wait 2-3 years for those contracts to be better value

- Tumbleweed


Well if the argument is that he's (frank)ing up the ability to win now with those contracts, he can't hold on to them for a few years can he. Pick a lane.
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Nov 19 @ 3:20 PM ET
Pretty much everyone was saying take the 4 1sts. You're crazy not to, especially when you consider almost any team that could afford that would be ones that have the space and therefore probably aren't all that good.
- RickJames77


If Marner is to believed it was never an option dubas had, he wasn't interested in signing anywhere else.

That's a whole new argument. None of those 4 firsts may turn out to be as good as Marner, and if they did you have to eventually sign them to bit contracts to.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Nov 19 @ 3:22 PM ET
If Marner is to believed it was never an option dubas had, he wasn't interested in signing anywhere else.

That's a whole new argument. None of those 4 firsts may turn out to be as good as Marner, and if they did you have to eventually sign them to bit contracts to.

- joel878

Well, then he probably should've had more leverage to sign him at a lower dollar if he had zero interest signing anywhere else. He's a great player, but it really is a high cap hit for 6 years. I'd have signed it and dealt with it if I had to, as you are all going through, but I wouldn't be happy about it.
LeafGuy89
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.13.2017

Nov 19 @ 3:23 PM ET
Tonight's lines and pairings.

Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Kapanen
Mikheyev-Spezza-Petan
Engvall-Shore-Gauthier

Rielly-Holl
Muzzin-Ceci
Dermott-Barrie

Andersen
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 19 @ 3:24 PM ET

- PatC80

BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:25 PM ET
Agreed.

Dubas should have listened to the outsiders on how to handle the contract negotiations..

#FansKnowMore

- PatC80


well now... maybe he should have considered some other voices...

because whomever he did listen to and Dreger didn't work out for the best did it?

do the fans know more... no they don't

do the fans know less? same answer - we don't know.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AUSTON MATTHEWS IS A LEAF
Joined: 03.03.2016

Nov 19 @ 3:26 PM ET
Tonight's lines and pairings.

Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Kapanen
Mikheyev-Spezza-Petan
Engvall-Shore-Gauthier

Rielly-Holl
Muzzin-Ceci
Dermott-Barrie

Andersen

- LeafGuy89



He did it! He finally did it! He changed the D pairings!!!!!




I give it a shift.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:27 PM ET

- PatC80


awesome...

can't wait until Dubas finally realizes that its 5pm.. and he moves Nylander for defensive help.

then blames Babcock.

Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 19 @ 3:27 PM ET
Well if the argument is that he's (frank)ing up the ability to win now with those contracts, he can't hold on to them for a few years can he. Pick a lane.
- joel878


this year should have 100% been a cup contending year. this team is nowhere near it. that by itself should be a fireable offense.

the move should be made towards a longer-term strategy.

if the cards are played right, 2-3 years from now when those contracts are better value because of the higher cap and player development, maybe we can be there.

then we'll have a couple cracks at it; until the big boys are due for their raises.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AUSTON MATTHEWS IS A LEAF
Joined: 03.03.2016

Nov 19 @ 3:27 PM ET
awesome...

can't wait until Dubas finally realizes that its 5pm.. and he moves Nylander for defensive help.

then blames Babcock.


- BorjeFan4Ever



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Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Nov 19 @ 3:28 PM ET
Tonight's lines and pairings.

Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Kapanen
Mikheyev-Spezza-Petan
Engvall-Shore-Gauthier

Rielly-Holl
Muzzin-Ceci
Dermott-Barrie

Andersen

- LeafGuy89

LeafGuy89
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.13.2017

Nov 19 @ 3:28 PM ET
He did it! He finally did it! He changed the D pairings!!!!!




I give it a shift.

- Steven_Seagull




You're most likely right

At the moment though Dangle must be over the moon
CarlitoBrigante
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.22.2012

Nov 19 @ 3:29 PM ET
Ray Ferraro just rippin the leafs...

https://twitter.com/rayan...tatus/1196639255423881216
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Nov 19 @ 3:30 PM ET
He did it! He finally did it! He changed the D pairings!!!!!




I give it a shift.

- Steven_Seagull



the d-pairing thing is really quite funny ... from an outsider perspective.

Ceci is paid what $4M... Holl is paid 850K or thereabouts. Granted Ceci has been playing against tougher competition... but I don think its fair to say Ceci has been underwhelming and Holl has overachieved.

I have absolutely no idea as to why you wouldn't try Holl with Rielly for a period - what is there to lose?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Nov 19 @ 3:30 PM ET
Agreed.

Dubas should have listened to the outsiders on how to handle the contract negotiations..

#FansKnowMore

- PatC80


having 3 of the top 7 caphits in the league and a mediocre team should lead you to question if the leadership of this team has any idea of what they are doing.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AUSTON MATTHEWS IS A LEAF
Joined: 03.03.2016

Nov 19 @ 3:30 PM ET


You're most likely right

At the moment though Dangle must be over the moon

- LeafGuy89



Babs broke Dangle.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Nov 19 @ 3:31 PM ET
Babs broke Dangle.
- Steven_Seagull

He's a broken idiot all by himself.
CarlitoBrigante
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.22.2012

Nov 19 @ 3:32 PM ET
Leafs need to go 35-17-4 to reach 100 points from this point forward.

Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AUSTON MATTHEWS IS A LEAF
Joined: 03.03.2016

Nov 19 @ 3:32 PM ET
He's a broken idiot all by himself.
- AdamFrench



Yeah, I don’t like Babs either.
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