Firing Babs lets them off the hook.

I think a bunch of entitled kids got paid a poop-ton of money, and now they’re not living up to expectations.

Fire him anyways. But I think there’s an issue with the type of players they have.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Well Mathews is living up to the money, Nylander somewhat.
So who could you be talking about?

Yeah, cause he has figure skating wussy line mates.
- bobbyisno1

and this is the problem, babcluck doesnt like to make changes.... put mikeyev with matthews for a few nights so hes got a big body playing on his wing for a change....this nylander jonsson thing aint workin....

some good points here

https://theathletic.com/1...ce/?source=shared-article

When you actually break down the video, the D are a problem, but not in the way you think.

there has to be a big coaching element resulting in the huge drop in goals/xgf
There is no way a team this talented should be losing the way they are

Babs survives the year unless they continue to sink.
- Fakepartofme

Babs is gone after 2 losses to Buffalo.

Babs is gone after 2 losses to Buffalo.
- bobbyisno1

why wait , axe him this week and we might save this season....

Yeah, cause he has figure skating wussy line mates.
- bobbyisno1

So he fits perfectly.

some good points here

https://theathletic.com/1...ce/?source=shared-article

When you actually break down the video, the D are a problem, but not in the way you think.

there has to be a big coaching element resulting in the huge drop in goals/xgf
There is no way a team this talented should be losing the way they are
- senstroll

describe talent

(again, harlem globetrotters have talent - but can never win an NBA championship)

why wait , axe him this week and we might save this season....
- CarlitoBrigante

Well if I was in charge it would happen, Dublank also and any winger not named Mikeyev, Hyman or kap would be traded.
I would only keep 1 of Marner and Nylander and it would be based on what I could get back in a trade.



You think it's bad now, when i'm done with them they won't have a clue what team they're on.

The best thing that could happen is a blowout tonight in Vegas ....
- CarlitoBrigante

That occured on their off night

Well Mathews is living up to the money, Nylander somewhat.
So who could you be talking about?
- bobbyisno1

Marner was a pt a game before getting injured.

describe talent

(again, harlem globetrotters have talent - but can never win an NBA championship)
- MaximusAurelius

I shouldn't need to describe talent to you

Well if I was in charge it would happen, Dublank also and any winger not named Mikeyev, Hyman or kap would be traded.
I would only keep 1 of Marner and Nylander and it would be based on what I could get back in a trade.



You think it's bad now, when i'm done with them they won't have a clue what team they're on.
- bobbyisno1

I'm guessing Marner would bring back ~2.5 times as much as Willie

some good points here

https://theathletic.com/1...ce/?source=shared-article

When you actually break down the video, the D are a problem, but not in the way you think.

there has to be a big coaching element resulting in the huge drop in goals/xgf
There is no way a team this talented should be losing the way they are
- senstroll

Says who? Weve seen talented teams fail before.
Maybe the league has figured out these players.

Babs is gone after 2 losses to Buffalo.
- bobbyisno1

Maybe, maybe not.
I hope he stays on all year.

This is one the players

Marner was a pt a game before getting injured.
- Fakepartofme

Maybe but he looked a shell of the player from last year, also that captain. WTF?

Well if I was in charge it would happen, Dublank also and any winger not named Mikeyev, Hyman or kap would be traded.
I would only keep 1 of Marner and Nylander and it would be based on what I could get back in a trade.



You think it's bad now, when i'm done with them they won't have a clue what team they're on.
- bobbyisno1

And maybe they make the calder cup finals

I'm guessing Marner would bring back ~2.5 times as much as Willie
- 21peter

Probably, cause Willy did squat when he wasn't on Mathews wing.

Says who? Weve seen talented teams fail before.
Maybe the league has figured out these players.
- Fakepartofme

Maybe the League has figured out the Leafs systems

And maybe they make the calder cup finals
- Fakepartofme

With that centre depth they would be fine, also the new wingers I trade for will have some kind of heart.

some good points here

https://theathletic.com/1...ce/?source=shared-article

When you actually break down the video, the D are a problem, but not in the way you think.

there has to be a big coaching element resulting in the huge drop in goals/xgf
There is no way a team this talented should be losing the way they are
- senstroll

Do you happen to know who hires the assistant coaches? Is it the coach or GM? Is it a tandem decision? I just skimmed over about 15 articles and all of the assistant coach assignments are more handled as team press releases with no attribution to the GM or the coach (no one is ever excited or has a comment regarding the hire of an assistant coach it would seem!).

If Hakstol can be principally targeted as a source of our offense drying up by his defensive deployment and activation, then shouldn't he be the first target? If you're Babcock, he's your responsibility, so you need to manage him. If you're Dubas and you hired him, he's YOUR responsibility, and you need to figure it out.

Edit: While not attributing anything to the hiring process, Berube intimated that he was involved in the hiring of Marc Savard and Alain Vigneault intimated that he was involved in the hiring of Mike Yeo.

I'm guessing Marner would bring back ~2.5 times as much as Willie
- 21peter

i'll say one thing about marner, I think he truly wants to win a cup in toronto...

nylander doesnt care , thats for sure....

I would trade nylander 1st and get that country club spoiled attitude kicked out the door fast.....

Do you happen to know who hires the assistant coaches? Is it the coach or GM? Is it a tandem decision? I just skimmed over about 15 articles and all of the assistant coach assignments are more handled as team press releases with no attribution to the GM or the coach (no one is ever excited or has a comment regarding the hire of an assistant coach it would seem!).

If Hakstol can be principally targeted as a source of our offense drying up by his defensive deployment and activation, then shouldn't he be the first target? If you're Babcock, he's your responsibility, so you need to manage him. If you're Dubas and you hired him, he's YOUR responsibility, and you need to figure it out.
- Monkeypunk

I dont. Great question.
I was always under the impression the Coach had the most input on the assistants and such, But I really dont know for sure

Do you happen to know who hires the assistant coaches? Is it the coach or GM? Is it a tandem decision? I just skimmed over about 15 articles and all of the assistant coach assignments are more handled as team press releases with no attribution to the GM or the coach (no one is ever excited or has a comment regarding the hire of an assistant coach it would seem!).

If Hakstol can be principally targeted as a source of our offense drying up by his defensive deployment and activation, then shouldn't he be the first target? If you're Babcock, he's your responsibility, so you need to manage him. If you're Dubas and you hired him, he's YOUR responsibility, and you need to figure it out.

Edit: While not attributing anything to the hiring process, Berube intimated that he was involved in the hiring of Marc Savard and Alain Vigneault intimated that he was involved in the hiring of Mike Yeo.
- Monkeypunk

I feel like new coaches get to pick their staff and then when they're in hot water their assistants can be the first fired and then management hires some assistants they prefer to maybe 'help' their coach out and or eventually replace him. That's the gist I get from it. Sweeney brought up Cassidy from Providence to be Julien's assistant and I'm pretty sure he would preferred they go a different route

some good points here

https://theathletic.com/1...ce/?source=shared-article

When you actually break down the video, the D are a problem, but not in the way you think.

there has to be a big coaching element resulting in the huge drop in goals/xgf
There is no way a team this talented should be losing the way they are
- senstroll

I haven't read it yet, but I watched some clips of Barrie last year, playing with Ian Cole, who's a underwhelming if not solid vet D, who plays similar to Muzzin, but (IMO) not as good.

The Avs thrived on a 5 man breakout with Barrie as a skating option through the neutral zone, when he could just be a puck hog and do good things with it. He was never great in his own end, but that's typically the case with all but the very best perennial-Norris defensemen, and why you pair them with guys like Muzzin.

Why would he all of sudden take a nose-dive after being a 60-point D man? He's being told to play in a way that's not conducive to success. He just didn't forget how to hockey overnight.

Babs finally got through to the team with his swinging center (Tavares kinda did that already, but Matthews and Kerfoot are for sure and didn't before... well, Matthews didn't) and being down in support in general, but that also means that the D aren't being active on the rush at all.

Think how many times Rielly has had a carry into the zone this year (few), something that he excelled at so much so that it basically was the core reason why he had Norris votes last year.

Gardiner is gone, and so are the stretch passes too, so that's playing into the lack of high risk/high reward chances a bit, but they need a coach who's going to play to their strengths, instead of trying to convert them into pawns playing into his vision of the team... a vision that's not in-line with what Dubas has built.

Say what you want about Kyle's vision (and GMs before him; this roster isn't entirely on him), but if you're not going to play this roster to their strengths, then you're not really giving the team a chance as a whole.

This was written after Hakstol was hired

https://theleafsnation.co...to-the-maple-leafs-bench/

Across Hakstol’s three full seasons as Flyers head coach (he was fired midway through the 2018-19 campaign), Philadelphia ran a penalty kill which ranked 20th, 22nd, and 29th, respectively in league-wide efficiency rate.

The Flyers, under Hakstol, were a relatively sound defensive hockey team at even strength. Per NaturalStatTrick, Hakstol’s units routinely surrendered fewer shots against than shots for on a year-to-year basis, finished second in fewest expected goals against across his three full seasons, and third in total shots against. There are glimmers of hope amidst this uncertainty.

It seems they are trying to "improve" the d through hakstol?
And its not working

and they are getting the exact results the Flyers did.