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Gerk
St Louis Blues
Location: say it aint so TARASENKO, YT
Joined: 01.07.2008

Dec 3 @ 12:56 PM ET
Allen...probably Jimmy Howard, Ryan Miller (if he wants to leave CA)

But Crawford has won 2 cups (none other can say that)and is on an expiring contract...may make him more attractive

- PatShart


About 2 mill more to have to fit under cap vs Howard/ Allen. Not impossible.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Dec 3 @ 1:03 PM ET
Photo compliments of the committedindians site.

Most likely the last photo of Marc Crawford behind a NHL bench.

And for Breadman a picture of Zack Smith with a "WTF I thought things were bad in Ottawa" look on his face.

PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Dec 3 @ 1:03 PM ET
Seabrook is still a very good outlet passer. Good shot blocker too.

If Seabrook and Maata (at 25yrs old, lol)
are "too slow", how did PITT manage to win 2 cups with him? How did the Hawks win cups with Sopel or Rozsival?

The 'slow' thing is a poor argument when there are examples over examples of "slow players" hurting a team

Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Dec 3 @ 1:07 PM ET
Give A F&^%
- TheTrob

And me sitting here wondering why the players would be worried about roofing shingles...https://www.gaf.com/en-us
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Dec 3 @ 1:11 PM ET
Seabrook is still a very good outlet passer. Good shot blocker too.

If Seabrook and Maata (at 25yrs old, lol)
are "too slow", how did PITT manage to win 2 cups with him? How did the Hawks win cups with Sopel or Rozsival?

The 'slow' thing is a poor argument when there are examples over examples of "slow players" hurting a team

- PatShart



In maatas,,, case Pittsburgh was a fast and dangerous team. Regarding sopel and Rosie Chicago was by far younger , faster highly skilled and offensively great.

You can't compare those teams to a old , slow mediocre Chicago team currently
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Dec 3 @ 1:12 PM ET
In maatas,,, case Pittsburgh was a fast and dangerous team. Regarding sopel and Rosie Chicago was by far younger , faster highly skilled and offensively great.

You can't compare those teams to a old , slow mediocre Chicago team currently

- Taylorst1


But can slow players still be on championship teams?
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Dec 3 @ 1:15 PM ET
Seabrook is still a very good outlet passer. Good shot blocker too.

If Seabrook and Maata (at 25yrs old, lol)
are "too slow", how did PITT manage to win 2 cups with him? How did the Hawks win cups with Sopel or Rozsival?

The 'slow' thing is a poor argument when there are examples over examples of "slow players" hurting a team

- PatShart


No, he is not. Lots of icings, lots of missed passes, lots of whiffs and mis-handled pucks trying to pass, etc. etc.

Yes, he blocks shots, so did Sopel, so did Rosival, so do a whole lot of players who can no longer skate well enough to control gaps efficiently.

You win with Sopel and Rosival because you have Keith, Campbell, Hjarlmarsson, Byfuglien, Oduya and a still effective Seabrook on your back-end. You can compensate for some.......not all.


rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Dec 3 @ 1:15 PM ET
I cannot imagine McDonough goes beyond this season - if even that much tie elapsed - without speaking to both Bowman and Toews about Toews future playing hockey. Accountability is key as Toews has regressed badly. The eye test says all you need to know.
- jhawk59

Toews would say his plan is to keep collecting his paycheck until his contract is up.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Dec 3 @ 1:21 PM ET
But can slow players still be on championship teams?
- PatShart


Only as a 3rd pairing or 7th defenseman , as long as your top 5 defenseman are young , fast , and quality d men along with a forward group that is stellar.

Chicago has none of those qualities let alone a head coach who can elevate his team's game
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Dec 3 @ 1:22 PM ET
No, he is not. Lots of icings, lots of missed passes, lots of whiffs and mis-handled pucks trying to pass, etc. etc.

Yes, he blocks shots, so did Sopel, so did Rosival, so do a whole lot of players who can no longer skate well enough to control gaps efficiently.

You win with Sopel and Rosival because you have Keith, Campbell, Hjarlmarsson, Byfuglien, Oduya and a still effective Seabrook on your back-end. You can compensate for some.......not all.

- TheTrob


Are the missed passes due to wingers not being in the right spots? Whiffs because they look up and the forwards are standing still/covered? Not opening for a pass and the D is left to eat the puck or take the icing?

Watch the hole ice/players positions versus the D getting the blame.

Last night, Maata sent his pass up the middle to Zach Smith. His stick was on the ice and the pass was a bit behind him, but in a catching radius. Instead, Smith lifts his own stick to miss the pass directly leading to the 4th goal. But the Dman will get the blame if you think the pass was just to the STL player
Davewn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Des Moines, IA
Joined: 12.16.2015

Dec 3 @ 1:22 PM ET
About 2 mill more to have to fit under cap vs Howard/ Allen. Not impossible.
- Gerk



Hawks would also be able to retain salary to get a deal done, I'll believe it when I see it though...
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Dec 3 @ 1:22 PM ET
But can slow players still be on championship teams?
- PatShart


Of course they can.

Seabrook has never been a great skater, never been fast. He worked hard on his footwork to become average. He played for years with one of the best defenseman in the league in Keith, who was a great skater. Their partnership worked well because they were able to cover for some of the others weaknesses. In Q's style of play, Seabrooks ability to make the long stretch pass fueled the Hawks possession game.

As he has aged and slowed down, some say considerably, Seabrook no longer has the time and space to make those passes. His lack of foot speed means that many times now, even if he is able to win a footrace, or battle for a puck along the boards, he does not have clean passing lanes with which to work, so you get wrapped passes along the boards, flips out of the zone, or maybe the D-to-D pass. Wings tend not to fly the zone for the stretch pass when he is on the ice, because he doesn't win enough battles to the puck.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Dec 3 @ 1:24 PM ET
Only as a 3rd pairing or 7th defenseman , as long as your top 5 defenseman are young , fast , and quality d men along with a forward group that is stellar.

Chicago has none of those qualities let alone a head coach who can elevate his team's game

- Taylorst1


No, they can play in any pair as long as the team game/system is sound

The point is, "speed" isnt everything or doesnt make a player good/bad

Handzus wasnt fast...he played on the 2nd line center for the Hawks cup. Brad Richard's too. Can go on and on about slower players that are effective on very successful teams
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Dec 3 @ 1:32 PM ET
I wouldn’t mind seeing Boqvist called up and sitting Koekkoek, if that works cap wise.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Dec 3 @ 1:34 PM ET
Toews isnt going anywhere

It was all "cute" to people after the Hawks won the cup when Toews would say "we" but never "I". Now...hes bashed for it.

Newsflash...most all hockey players (especially captains) say "we", as the voice/representative of the "team". Doesnt mean he isnt self aware. The dude has been his own hardest critic his whole professional and non-professional career. As much as he has always annoyed me, there is no need for false narratives on a guy that has a lot of pride and has always done things "the right way"

And the organization wouldn't ask him to step away. I mean, seriously? Think about this...how much money does he make the organization off the ice with promos and team paraphernalia?



So let's stop the making things up garbage or tarnishing his rep. Bag his play all you want...but let's not make up him being selfish or a bad teammate now.

- PatShart


Pat: Astute observation!
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Dec 3 @ 1:38 PM ET
I wouldn’t mind seeing Boqvist called up and sitting Koekkoek, if that works cap wise.
- walleyeb1


I could be wrong...but isnt there a "games played" threshold for guys on their entry level contract and playing too many messes up some things?

Pretty vague, I know...but I thought it was brought up before
savvyone-1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I'm singing the Blues!, IL
Joined: 03.04.2011

Dec 3 @ 1:38 PM ET
I wouldn’t mind seeing Boqvist called up and sitting Koekkoek, if that works cap wise.
- walleyeb1

What I want to know is when does Gus sit?
1 yr rat-ice wonder. Won't ever sniff 60 pts again, much less half that.
Don't think he'd even merit a Ville Pokka in trade.
Stan says bring back Garth Snow.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Dec 3 @ 1:38 PM ET
No, they can play in any pair as long as the team game/system is sound

The point is, "speed" isnt everything or doesnt make a player good/bad

Handzus wasnt fast...he played on the 2nd line center for the Hawks cup. Brad Richard's too. Can go on and on about slower players that are effective on very successful teams

- PatShart


Completely agree. Though there is a tipping point in everyone's career where the loss of whatever speed a player had lessens their effectiveness.

TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Dec 3 @ 1:44 PM ET
What I want to know is when does Gus sit?
1 yr rat-ice wonder. Won't ever sniff 60 pts again, much less half that.
Don't think he'd even merit a Ville Pokka in trade.
Stan says bring back Garth Snow.

- savvyone-1


I agree.

How does he lead your D corp in minutes last night?
He is horrendous in his own end, and makes some very ill-advised decisions in the O-zone, yet he just keeps getting rolled out there.

Let me see Boqvist or some of the other young D. I would rather they make mistakes than watch a 28 year old D man who is never going to improve/change.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Dec 3 @ 1:48 PM ET
Completely agree. Though there is a tipping point in everyone's career where the loss of whatever speed a player had lessens their effectiveness.
- TheTrob


I think if the coaching staff would match the lines at all/slot them correctly...they could put their players in better position to succeed versus the mismatching they continue to do
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Dec 3 @ 2:00 PM ET
I could be wrong...but isnt there a "games played" threshold for guys on their entry level contract and playing too many messes up some things?

Pretty vague, I know...but I thought it was brought up before

- PatShart


Yes, 9 games. Once the 10th game is played you burn the first year of their contract, otherwise it "slides" to the next year.

Certain guys, like Dach, who still have Jr. eligibility, get 9 games in the NHL. They are ineligible to play in the AHL because of the NHL/CHL agreement for players 20 and under, so at that point they would need to be returned to their Jr. team, or be in the NHL for the full season. The rule does not apply to Boqvist who came from the Sweedish league, he can play in the AHL at under 20.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Dec 3 @ 2:02 PM ET
Yes, 9 games. Once the 10th game is played you burn the first year of their contract, otherwise it "slides" to the next year.

Certain guys, like Dach, who still have Jr. eligibility, get 9 games in the NHL. They are ineligible to play in the AHL because of the NHL/CHL agreement for players 20 and under, so at that point they would need to be returned to their Jr. team, or be in the NHL for the full season. The rule does not apply to Boqvist who came from the Sweedish league, he can play in the AHL at under 20.

- TheTrob


So that's essentially the reason to NOT pull up Boqvist, right? Keep that extra year?
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Dec 3 @ 2:07 PM ET
I think if the coaching staff would match the lines at all/slot them correctly...they could put their players in better position to succeed versus the mismatching they continue to do
- PatShart


Yes. though in some cases their hands are tied.

With Keith out you no longer have a top Pairing Defenseman, in anycase, at this point in his career he is probably a #2D.

On a good team, Murphy and deHaan are probably #4D, Maatta and Seabrook are #6D. Koekkoek is MAYBE a #7D. and Gus is really not a Defenseman, for arguments sake lets say he is producing Offensively or running your PP so he is a #6D as well.

With no Keith you are missing players for your top 3 D positions. With him you are missing 2. This is not a recipe for successful matchups.
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Dec 3 @ 2:48 PM ET
Photo compliments of the committedindians site.

Most likely the last photo of Marc Crawford behind a NHL bench.

And for Breadman a picture of Zack Smith with a "WTF I thought things were bad in Ottawa" look on his face.


- boilermaker100


i wonder how many other coaches in the league are just sharting their shorts hoping something doesn't come out on them like Crawford and Peters...Yikes!!
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Dec 3 @ 2:49 PM ET
Photo compliments of the committedindians site.

Most likely the last photo of Marc Crawford behind a NHL bench.

And for Breadman a picture of Zack Smith with a "WTF I thought things were bad in Ottawa" look on his face.


- boilermaker100


Zach in this picture just reminds me of Todd Parker in Boogie Nights
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