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Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Dec 2 @ 2:36 PM ET
hed have better numbers if sobotka was still there creating space
- robz228

Maybe he would, he had more goals playing with him, then he's had since Sobotka been hurt
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Dec 2 @ 2:36 PM ET
Really? You think jbotts needs a few wingers?

1st I've heard of it? I'd say oloffson and now asplund could help move Casey to a wing spot permanently.

But, go on... and on and on.
Hey okposo and his tradeless contract are back.

What's your feelings on Larsson and girgs?

- Boss34


Actually I've been very complimentary of them lately. The past 5 or so games have been good. They seemed to take a turn after Lazar beat that dude up. They woke up and said "we gotta save our phoney baloney jobs"
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Dec 2 @ 2:38 PM ET
The funny part about the entire convo is Krueger has said he has Skinner on a different line because he's one of the few who can drive offense and he wants balanced scoring.

If Skinner was so mediocre he'd have what, 5 goals maybe with the 2nd and 3rd liners he's played wth?

- sbroads24

Never said he was mediocre, just want him to cash in on some of those chances he's had.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Dec 2 @ 2:40 PM ET
Maybe he would, he had more goals playing with him, then he's had since Sobotka been hurt
- Buff36


OH MY
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Dec 2 @ 2:42 PM ET
Maybe he would, he had more goals playing with him, then he's had since Sobotka been hurt
- Buff36


Correlation =/= causation

Mojo hasn't been available. Well now he is but Skinner gets larry
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 2 @ 2:44 PM ET
Never said he was mediocre, just want him to cash in on some of those chances he's had.
- Buff36

I wasn't referring to you.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Dec 2 @ 2:46 PM ET
The funny part about the entire convo is Krueger has said he has Skinner on a different line because he's one of the few who can drive offense and he wants balanced scoring.

If Skinner was so mediocre he'd have what, 5 goals maybe with the 2nd and 3rd liners he's played wth?

- sbroads24


1.) Sign player to $9m per
2.) Play him with the worst offensive talent on team
3.) Still has 10 goals
4.) Complain that he has no assists
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Dec 2 @ 2:47 PM ET
1.) Sign player to $9m per
2.) Play him with the worst offensive talent on team
3.) Still has 10 goals
4.) Complain that he has no assists

- jcragcrumple


Once Johansson went down, he should have been put with Mittelstadt. To me, anything else is inexcusable.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Dec 2 @ 2:49 PM ET
The funny part about the entire convo is Krueger has said he has Skinner on a different line because he's one of the few who can drive offense and he wants balanced scoring.

If Skinner was so mediocre he'd have what, 5 goals maybe with the 2nd and 3rd liners he's played wth?

- sbroads24


Maybe if Skinner could put together back to back 30 goal seasons and average more than 54 points a year we wouldn’t be diving deep into analytical discussion’s to determine whether or not he’s worth the “elite” money he’s being paid right now.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Dec 2 @ 2:53 PM ET
Maybe if Skinner could put together back to back 30 goal seasons and average more than 54 points a year we wouldn’t be diving deep into analytical discussion’s to determine whether or not he’s worth the “elite” money he’s being paid right now.
- Pegullaville


He's on pace to do just that. Playing with scrubs this time
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 2 @ 2:56 PM ET
He's on pace to do just that. Playing with scrubs this time
- jcragcrumple

5. Throw out an arbitrary number like "His last 50 games" or back to back 30 goal seasons to make point
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO NY, NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Dec 2 @ 2:59 PM ET
Actually I've been very complimentary of them lately. The past 5 or so games have been good. They seemed to take a turn after Lazar beat that dude up. They woke up and said "we gotta save our phoney baloney jobs"
- jcragcrumple


🏋️‍♂️🙂 good post
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Dec 2 @ 3:00 PM ET
5. Throw out an arbitrary number like "His last 50 games" or back to back 30 goal seasons to make point
- sbroads24


Yea I mean actual point production takes a back seat to expected goals, takeaways and penalties drawn.

The team who wins the game scores more then the other team. Not the team who takes away the puck more or draws more penalties.

But yes I get it, using factual evidence over the sample size of an entire career isn’t enough for you.

PP goals don’t matter, SHG’s don’t matter, assists don’t matter.

Anything else ?

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 2 @ 3:03 PM ET
Yea I mean actual point production takes a back seat to expected goals, takeaways and penalties drawn.

The team who wins the game scores more then the other team. Not the team who takes away the puck more or draws more penalties.

But yes I get it, using factual evidence over the sample size of an entire career isn’t enough for you.

PP goals don’t matter, SHG’s don’t matter, assists don’t matter.

Anything else ?

- Pegullaville

Here's factual evidence -

When Jeff Skinner is on the ice, the team he plays for scores more goals than they give up, controls play, controls scoring chances, and overall is better, than when he is not on the ice.

And it's been that way his entire career

And I can find you a bunch of players with more assists who you cannot say the same thing about
robz228
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Dec 2 @ 3:05 PM ET
skinner is not blue collar enough

have you seen his cute smile? get him out of here
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Dec 2 @ 3:07 PM ET
1.) Sign player to $9m per
2.) Play him with the worst offensive talent on team
3.) Still has 10 goals
4.) Complain that he has no assists

- jcragcrumple


This really started with that Reinhart has no assists or fewer than Laine who I would trade Reinhart for I was insinuating and also stating he, Laine, is not a one-trick pony as was stated by our analytics experts on the site. Of course, it would take more than Reinhart for Laine even if it is at all possible since they did talk about him in the offseason. This should sit well.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 2 @ 3:07 PM ET
skinner is not blue collar enough

have you seen his cute smile? get him out of here

- robz228

Dude im totally going to be right about his contract in 5 years, so I am going to diminish everything he does now until then
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Dec 2 @ 3:09 PM ET
Here's factual evidence -

When Jeff Skinner is on the ice, the team he plays for scores more goals than they give up, controls play, controls scoring chances, and overall is better, than when he is not on the ice.

And it's been that way his entire career

And I can find you a bunch of players with more assists who you cannot say the same thing about

- sbroads24


How many of those players make $9M+ ?
Aristotle
Joined: 06.08.2017

Dec 2 @ 3:09 PM ET
A few things come to mind

https://yourbias.is/the-availability-heuristic

and

https://yourbias.is/the-backfire-effect

and

https://yourbias.is/confirmation-bias


GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Dec 2 @ 3:09 PM ET
Here's factual evidence -

When Jeff Skinner is on the ice, the team he plays for scores more goals than they give up, controls play, controls scoring chances, and overall is better, than when he is not on the ice.

And it's been that way his entire career

And I can find you a bunch of players with more assists who you cannot say the same thing about

- sbroads24


Cite your sources, words mean little but opinion
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Dec 2 @ 3:10 PM ET
skinner is not blue collar enough

have you seen his cute smile? get him out of here

- robz228


So he's good at scoring goals. So what?

Is he good at NOT scoring goals? Not so much

Aristotle
Joined: 06.08.2017

Dec 2 @ 3:11 PM ET
Cite your sources, words mean little but opinion
- GilPerreault11


https://owl.purdue.edu/ow...guide/general_format.html

This will help.
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Dec 2 @ 3:12 PM ET
skinner is not blue collar enough

have you seen his cute smile? get him out of here

- robz228


15 pts, 9 mil. 2nd line PP. He plays with the studs on the PP, well did until he was demoted to the 2nd PP and nutin'.
Aristotle
Joined: 06.08.2017

Dec 2 @ 3:13 PM ET
So he's good at scoring goals. So what?

Is he good at NOT scoring goals? Not so much


- jcragcrumple



Non Sequitur.

But humorous.

I will allow.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Dec 2 @ 3:13 PM ET
This really started with that Reinhart has no assists or fewer than Laine who I would trade Reinhart for I was insinuating and also stating he, Laine, is not a one-trick pony as was stated by our analytics experts on the site. Of course, it would take more than Reinhart for Laine even if it is at all possible since they did talk about him in the offseason. This should sit well.
- GilPerreault11


Technically he is a one trick pony still, but now it's a different trick for the same pony. He doesn't score at a generational rate anymore, but he's got some assists through 26 games
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