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Rota's Rooter
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Jan 13 @ 1:31 PM ET
Stan plans to sign Russian goalie Timur Bilyalov.
- StutzBlackhawk

The guy is tiny for a goalie. Listed as 5'10, 174.

https://www.eliteprospect...yer/228950/timur-bilyalov
pdx2ord
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Jan 13 @ 1:32 PM ET
poor 88...always asked to make silk purses out of sow's ears...the amzing thing he continues to produce no matter who he is with...
- bogiedoc


But not nearly at the same pace that he's capable of when with better players. That's the crime. He'd already be at 1000 its had he had better line mates to work with this year.
StLBravesFan
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Jan 13 @ 1:33 PM ET
I doubt it. I think he is a man of his word. It gives him more opportunity to earn playing time right away (Boqvist RD, Keith LD, Murphy RD, deHaan LD, , Mitchell RD, Seabs,LD, might be ok). Hayes was not guaranteed top 6 minutes in the summer of 2014. The Hawks have some good veterans, some good prospects and young players and they will likely have a pretty decent pick in the upcoming draft. Finally, unlike Hayes, he seems to have a close relationship with Bowman (who just traded his brother).
- -Doh-


Depending on how far DU goes in their tournament, I think Mitchell could sign this spring, play a game or two, burn a year of his ELC, and become an RFA after next season.

If he decides to try free agency now, he needs another year at Denver, probably signs too late to burn a year then, so he would need two more years to become an RFA.

That’s two more seasons before his ELC expires by waiting.

I think.
pdx2ord
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Jan 13 @ 1:34 PM ET
And if you think about it.....Kubalik makes Saad expendable. Now they have found a winger who can help Johnny reach a solid offensive output.

To your point, if Toews isn't a 10 AAV player anymore, and would agree on everything you said.....you sure as hell can't pay Saad 7+ aav to be a 3rd line contributor.

What would be fascinating to see is what Saad's trade value is THIS year vs NEXT year? I don't question he would be a great add for the playoff run, but a 6 cap hit next year for a contending team is tough to swallow, unless they have a hole to plug him into a top 6 role with 2 other very good players.

- SteveRain


Well they better trade Saad this year if they're going to - didn't I read on here that he has a modified NTC kicking in this summer?
SteveRain
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Jan 13 @ 1:36 PM ET
Why? You need more players like this not less. Saad was one of the best Hawk forwards before he went down. Yes, it would be nice if he had a few more points, but there is much more to hockey than just scoring.
- Chunk


are you paying Brandon Saad 7+ aav starting in 2021-22?

That's the minimum starting point given the market.

And where is he slotting in?
SteveRain
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Jan 13 @ 1:48 PM ET
Well they better trade Saad this year if they're going to - didn't I read on here that he has a modified NTC kicking in this summer?
- pdx2ord


I didn't it on cap friendly.....but you could be right.

Is there any Fs in this system to get excited about that we haven't seen on the big club yet? Any in Rockford, etc to look for?

Looking at capfriendly, this team seems to be missing the reinforcements at the F level.....

and I wonder what Kubalik is going to want this offseason...…..not a stretch to think he won't hit 25+ goals if he continues to skate in the top 6 and stay healthy.....
mohel
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Jan 13 @ 1:57 PM ET
But not nearly at the same pace that he's capable of when with better players. That's the crime. He'd already be at 1000 its had he had better line mates to work with this year.
- pdx2ord


The question is how the team would've done.
bogiedoc
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Jan 13 @ 1:57 PM ET
Well they better trade Saad this year if they're going to - didn't I read on here that he has a modified NTC kicking in this summer?
- pdx2ord


according to capfreindly...YES.
Chunk
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Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jan 13 @ 1:58 PM ET
are you paying Brandon Saad 7+ aav starting in 2021-22?

That's the minimum starting point given the market.

And where is he slotting in?

- SteveRain


Possibly, if it fits in the cap. It basically comes down to how the FO is ACTUALLY trying to play this. If they are going to try and win while retooling, they keep him and re-evaluate where things stand next year. If not, they move him this year for a haul.

My point was not necessarily a defense of Saad at a certain salary. It was the fact that people say that Kubalik makes Saad expendable. I find that to be ridiculous when this team is so poor at playing 200' and winning puck battles (seemingly based on the fact that Kubalik is scoring more right now). Trading away our best all-around forward does not help this team, unless he brings back an absolute haul. Guys like that are hard enough to find.
Rota's Rooter
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Jan 13 @ 1:59 PM ET
I didn't it on cap friendly.....but you could be right.

Is there any Fs in this system to get excited about that we haven't seen on the big club yet? Any in Rockford, etc to look for?

Looking at capfriendly, this team seems to be missing the reinforcements at the F level.....

and I wonder what Kubalik is going to want this offseason...…..not a stretch to think he won't hit 25+ goals if he continues to skate in the top 6 and stay healthy.....

- SteveRain

He's got one.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brandon-saad
bogiedoc
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Jan 13 @ 2:02 PM ET
are you paying Brandon Saad 7+ aav starting in 2021-22?

That's the minimum starting point given the market.

And where is he slotting in?

- SteveRain


no..not unless he somehow becomes 60 pt plus player with a complete 200 foot game.

saad is a limited offensive player...he gets his goals from crashing the net and behing around the net...like kubes has done. But kubes is faster and has a much better shot...

saad has a very limited shot outside of 15 feet, not a good passer, and does not create..
bogiedoc
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Jan 13 @ 2:03 PM ET
Humor, my friend.....
- mohel


oh there is definately alot of that around here...
pdx2ord
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Jan 13 @ 2:03 PM ET
The question is how the team would've done.
- mohel


Well, based on games in January it seems that they collectively don't score much at all when he's on this current iteration of his line and the minute he, Kubalik, and Toews are out there together, they start putting it in the net.

I get that everyone rightfully worshipped at the altar of balance when Q was here and I appreciate the thought that it's still important. However, when you have, at most, two solid NHL caliber lines and MAYBE two NHL D pairings due to injuries, you need to put those lines out there and let them do their thing while hoping for the best (e.g. lucky bounces and good enough D to keep opponents from scoring) with the other two lines.

Just this fan's opinion.
Chunk
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Jan 13 @ 2:03 PM ET
I didn't it on cap friendly.....but you could be right.

Is there any Fs in this system to get excited about that we haven't seen on the big club yet? Any in Rockford, etc to look for?

Looking at capfriendly, this team seems to be missing the reinforcements at the F level.....

and I wonder what Kubalik is going to want this offseason...…..not a stretch to think he won't hit 25+ goals if he continues to skate in the top 6 and stay healthy.....

- SteveRain


Depends on what you mean by excited. A lot of guys have been injured this year. I've really liked Kurashev's game when healthy (really nice shot and plays the middle of the ice). Soderlund and Haakarainen (I'm sure I butchered that), are kind of the same type of players. Fearless, quick and tough to play against with a bit of offense for good measure.

Theo has much better insights on the likes of Hagel, Entwistle, and Fortin.
LAHawk
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Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 13 @ 2:06 PM ET
I don't disagree....but the difference continues to be 88 can produce and make guys around him better.....19 needs his wings to be legit top 6 players or else he doesn't produce.

Just stick 88 with Kubalik and Toews and ride along.....There is a nice line to build around.

Stick 12 and 17 with 77.....hell, now you have 2 of 4 lines solved.

- SteveRain


This is the starting line-up, Kane plays with Toews the majority of the game anyway. Besides power pay, Toews and Kane are on the ice after any penalty kill, the last minutes of the period. and for most of the third period. Kane is really the swiss army knife, he plays on whatever line he is needed.
MjulQvist
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Joined: 04.22.2012

Jan 13 @ 2:07 PM ET
Stan plans to sign Russian goalie Timur Bilyalov.
- StutzBlackhawk


Source?
mohel
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Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 13 @ 2:08 PM ET
Well, based on games in January it seems that they collectively don't score much at all when he's on this current iteration of his line and the minute he, Kubalik, and Toews are out there together, they start putting it in the net.

I get that everyone rightfully worshipped at the altar of balance when Q was here and I appreciate the thought that it's still important. However, when you have, at most, two solid NHL caliber lines and MAYBE two NHL D pairings due to injuries, you need to put those lines out there and let them do their thing while hoping for the best (e.g. lucky bounces and good enough D to keep opponents from scoring) with the other two lines.

Just this fan's opinion.

- pdx2ord


Your earlier post mentioned how many career points Kane would've had by now if they loaded lines to help him. This fan's opinion is that his individual results are less important than team results.
Chunk
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Jan 13 @ 2:08 PM ET
Well, based on games in January it seems that they collectively don't score much at all when he's on this current iteration of his line and the minute he, Kubalik, and Toews are out there together, they start putting it in the net.

I get that everyone rightfully worshipped at the altar of balance when Q was here and I appreciate the thought that it's still important. However, when you have, at most, two solid NHL caliber lines and MAYBE two NHL D pairings due to injuries, you need to put those lines out there and let them do their thing while hoping for the best (e.g. lucky bounces and good enough D to keep opponents from scoring) with the other two lines.

Just this fan's opinion.

- pdx2ord


Colliton was quoted recently saying that when he started out Kane with Kubalik and Toews it didn't go very well and they struggled a bit which is why he hasn't permanently paired them up.

Considering the current roster make-up I don't have a huge issue with how they are deploying Kane. He gets a decent amount of shifts one the Toews line, plus PP time. He has as much opportunity as anyone to get points (on this roster).
pdx2ord
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Jan 13 @ 2:09 PM ET
Your earlier post mentioned how many career points Kane would've had by now if they loaded lines to help him. This fan's opinion is that his individual results are less important than team results.
- mohel


Agreed with that

It's just that this year, we're often getting neither
pdx2ord
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Jan 13 @ 2:12 PM ET
Colliton was quoted recently saying that when he started out Kane with Kubalik and Toews it didn't go very well and they struggled a bit which is why he hasn't permanently paired them up.

Considering the current roster make-up I don't have a huge issue with how they are deploying Kane. He gets a decent amount of shifts one the Toews line, plus PP time. He has as much opportunity as anyone to get points (on this roster).

- Chunk


Yeah, Colliton has said that a few times. I think the last time he started a game with those three was back in Oct/Nov when Kubalik was still learning NHL and Toews was having his normal slow start. Seems a bit silly to not change one's mind if more recent results are telling a different story.

I'll admit I don't understand his decision-making. In direct contradiction to his rationale here, he also kept 12-17-88 together FOREVER when they were producing little to nothing most games and getting killed defensively.

Chunk
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Jan 13 @ 2:19 PM ET
Yeah, Colliton has said that a few times. I think the last time he started a game with those three was back in Oct/Nov when Kubalik was still learning NHL and Toews was having his normal slow start. Seems a bit silly to not change one's mind if more recent results are telling a different story.

I'll admit I don't understand his decision-making. In direct contradiction to his rationale here, he also kept 12-17-88 together FOREVER when they were producing little to nothing most games and getting killed defensively.

- pdx2ord


I'm not sure you could find anyone on this board who does.

I've hated the 12-17-88 line since they put it together and am happy he went away from it. I agree there should be a better combination to have two higher end scoring lines, but at the end of the day, they are likely seeing things a lot differently than we do.
Chunk
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Jan 13 @ 2:22 PM ET
Nice to see that the kid at least gets what is going on and what needs to be done. I think he could be one of those really good career 4-5 defensemen when he finally puts it all together. Just a guy you can trust to put out there and bring an edge.

Ben Pope‏ @BenPopeCST · 31m31 minutes ago

Gilbert: "One of those nights in Vancouver where it happens one or twice a year, you've just got to get through it. I did a good job responding, playing hard...trying to find my game back. But [I've] yet to have a very high consistent level to be a good player in this league."

SteveRain
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Jan 13 @ 2:26 PM ET
He's got one.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brandon-saad

- Rota's Rooter


Thanks
SteveRain
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Jan 13 @ 2:28 PM ET
no..not unless he somehow becomes 60 pt plus player with a complete 200 foot game.

saad is a limited offensive player...he gets his goals from crashing the net and behing around the net...like kubes has done. But kubes is faster and has a much better shot...

saad has a very limited shot outside of 15 feet, not a good passer, and does not create..

- bogiedoc


I would agree. He also isn't a consistent finisher which is another issue as the price tag rises and rises.

I just think he's 1 of a few current roster players that could bring back a decent return.
catrisc
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Jan 13 @ 2:31 PM ET
Can you describe what "being too cute" would look like?
- mohel


It can be many things; Waiting too late to resign Lehner. Waiting to see if Corey Crawford's game improves to be the #1, deciding if this team is a buyer and instead keeping both goalies for the post season, Etc.

The front office doesn't seem to be concise right now. It feels very much like a fly by the seat of our pants type team.
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