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HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jan 14 @ 7:15 AM ET
Lener to Colorado or Carolina for ?
Crawford and gust to Toronto for?
Saad to boston Edmonton buffalo for?

Go with delia and lannkian and see what the hawks have for next year. Approach Keith about waiving is nmt clause to go a contender for chance at another cup. These moves would signal a rebuild and not a retooling on the fly.

Other names for trades:
Matta smith kk Caggulia

- Scott1977


I think Darth has a meme for this...
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 14 @ 9:26 AM ET
$9M+ for Backstrom in Washington.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 14 @ 9:39 AM ET
Backstrom's deal takes him through his age 37 season. Oshie is at $5.75M through age 38.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jan 14 @ 9:45 AM ET
$9M+ for Backstrom in Washington.
- mohel


So Backstrom turns 33 when the next season begins, has 9 goals so far this year, and has not scored more than 23 goals since the 2010-11 season. He gets a 5 year deal for $9.2M and we are complaining about Toews' deal?
This is how GM's get their teams in Cap trouble.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jan 14 @ 9:50 AM ET
In regards to a return from the Leaves say for a Gus or Maata, I was looking at their roster and noticed this guy: Mason Marchment.

https://g.co/kgs/qrq45U

Son of good old #2, Bryan Marchment.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jan 14 @ 9:55 AM ET
9.2M x 5 for Nik Backstrom. And he negotiated the deal himself. No 10% for an agent.

What's Ovi worth the year after next?
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jan 14 @ 9:56 AM ET
Backstrom's deal takes him through his age 37 season. Oshie is at $5.75M through age 38.
- mohel


There was an article in the Athletic this morning debating Toews deal and 4 others (Karlsson, Benn, etc.) and whether they are good or bad.

Verdict - bad

Though I’m surprised that using the same lens they didn’t apply the “bad” tag to Karlsson’s deal, considering money, term and injury history.

While they deemed Toews deal bad they acknowledged the light at the end of the tunnel with three years remaining after this one and that last year he at least played close-ish to the deal.
HamiltonHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.13.2015

Jan 14 @ 9:58 AM ET
Wishful thinking time, could you imagine if Breadman was still playing with Kane. Breadman may be the best player in the league this year.
Since I'm doing wishful thinking , imagine this

Breadman Dainault Kane
DCAT Strome Kahun
Kubalik Toews Teo

I know time for me to wake up.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jan 14 @ 10:04 AM ET
Wishful thinking time, could you imagine if Breadman was still playing with Kane. Breadman may be the best player in the league this year.
Since I'm doing wishful thinking , imagine this

Breadman Dainault Kane
DCAT Strome Kahun
Kubalik Toews Teo

I know time for me to wake up.

- HamiltonHawk


I mentioned recently that if the Hawks kept Danault they wouldn't have that 2nd round pick to draft Cat. And if they had Danault, would they have traded Schmaltz for Strome?
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Jan 14 @ 10:05 AM ET
9.2M x 5 for Nik Backstrom. And he negotiated the deal himself. No 10% for an agent.

What's Ovi worth the year after next?

- boilermaker100


Maybe 12 or 13 mil?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 14 @ 10:10 AM ET
9.2M x 5 for Nik Backstrom. And he negotiated the deal himself. No 10% for an agent.

What's Ovi worth the year after next?

- boilermaker100


He will be 36, probably wants to be a Capital for life, also wants to break Gretzky's goal scoring record. My guess is that the deal he signs will be friendly to Washington. They will let Holtby go as a FA, as they figure Samsanov is ready. Looking at the fact the Caps have most of their roster tied up long term, and their RFA's won't be getting any big raises, I think cap wise they are set up very well.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 14 @ 10:12 AM ET
If you want to play that game, I'd rather have Bergeron, MacKinnon, and Stamkos (or Marchand). I love Kane, but as soon as he and Toews signed those contracts, the franchise was screwed. The Hawks are not going to win a cup while those contracts are still active.
- tazer_and_diet

Problem was they were negotiating as a duo, you take both or none.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jan 14 @ 10:14 AM ET
I mentioned recently that if the Hawks kept Danault they wouldn't have that 2nd round pick to draft Cat. And if they had Danault, would they have traded Schmaltz for Strome?
- boilermaker100


Didn’t they still have 2 2nd rounders that year which they used on Kris and Kayumov?

Hard to say if Cat still would have been there...

I still like the Strome for Schmaltz deal especially if Strome develops as the team’s 2C.

Admit I don’t watch a lot of Yote hockey but Schmaltz SOG total would seem to indicate he still doesn’t take many,
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 14 @ 10:15 AM ET
I think Darth has a meme for this...
- HawkintheD

Surprised 4k hasn't been moved, he's odd man out with kids up. I guess if there's another injury they have nobody else?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 14 @ 10:16 AM ET
Problem was they were negotiating as a duo, you take both or none.
- rpeters01


Yup, and both represented by Pat Brisson, the Scott Boras of Hockey, he controls a little over a $1 bil. in total salary of NHL players, including Tavares, Crosby, etc. etc.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 14 @ 10:20 AM ET
He will be 36, probably wants to be a Capital for life, also wants to break Gretzky's goal scoring record. My guess is that the deal he signs will be friendly to Washington. They will let Holtby go as a FA, as they figure Samsanov is ready. Looking at the fact the Caps have most of their roster tied up long term, and their RFA's won't be getting any big raises, I think cap wise they are set up very well.
- LAHawk


They are set up well for the next couple years. Then, they'll have some dog contracts. Sound familiar? Yep. Worth it? Yep.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jan 14 @ 10:21 AM ET
Didn’t they still have 2 2nd rounders that year which they used on Kris and Kayumov?

Hard to say if Cat still would have been there...

I still like the Strome for Schmaltz deal especially if Strome develops as the team’s 2C.

Admit I don’t watch a lot of Yote hockey but Schmaltz SOG total would seem to indicate he still doesn’t take many,

- HawkintheD


My bad. The 2nd rounder from Montreal that turned into Cat came back in the Shaw deal.

Hawks sent a 2nd rounder along with Danault for Wiese and Fleuschmann.

Thanks for the correction.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 14 @ 10:21 AM ET
Yup, and both represented by Pat Brisson, the Scott Boras of Hockey, he controls a little over a $1 bil. in total salary of NHL players, including Tavares, Crosby, etc. etc.
- LAHawk

When Stamkos swallowed his balls and blinked signing for $8.5 instead of $11, Hawks were screwed it set the bar lower for years until McDavid came along.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 14 @ 10:27 AM ET
When Stamkos swallowed his balls and blinked signing for $8.5 instead of $11, Hawks were screwed it set the bar lower for years until McDavid came along.
- rpeters01


Not represented by Brisson. If you look at his top clients, except for amybe McKinnon, his clients do not receive home town discounts

Toronto Maple Leafs logo John Tavares $11,000,000 $77,000,000 (2018)
Chicago Blackhawks logo Patrick Kane $10,500,000 $84,000,000 (2015)
Chicago Blackhawks logo Jonathan Toews $10,500,000 $84,000,000 (2015)
Los Angeles Kings logo Anze Kopitar $10,000,000 $80,000,000 (2016)
Pittsburgh Penguins logo Sidney Crosby $8,700,000 $104,400,000 (2013)
Philadelphia Flyers logo Claude Giroux $8,275,000 $66,200,000 (2014)
Nashville Predators logo Matt Duchene $8,000,000 $56,000,000 (2019)
Anaheim Ducks logo Cam Fowler $6,500,000 $52,000,000 (2018)
Colorado Avalanche logo Nathan MacKinnon $6,300,000 $44,100,000 (2016)
Colorado Avalanche logo Erik Johnson $6,000,000 $42,000,000 (2016)
Buffalo Sabres logo Kyle Okposo $6,000,000 $42,000,000 (2016)
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 14 @ 10:30 AM ET
9.2M x 5 for Nik Backstrom. And he negotiated the deal himself. No 10% for an agent.

What's Ovi worth the year after next?

- boilermaker100

Agent gets 3-5% set by league.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 14 @ 10:31 AM ET
Agent gets 3-5% set by league.
- rpeters01


Backstrom did not use an agent.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 14 @ 10:32 AM ET
Not represented by Brisson. If you look at his top clients, except for amybe McKinnon, his clients do not receive home town discounts

Toronto Maple Leafs logo John Tavares $11,000,000 $77,000,000 (2018)
Chicago Blackhawks logo Patrick Kane $10,500,000 $84,000,000 (2015)
Chicago Blackhawks logo Jonathan Toews $10,500,000 $84,000,000 (2015)
Los Angeles Kings logo Anze Kopitar $10,000,000 $80,000,000 (2016)
Pittsburgh Penguins logo Sidney Crosby $8,700,000 $104,400,000 (2013)
Philadelphia Flyers logo Claude Giroux $8,275,000 $66,200,000 (2014)
Nashville Predators logo Matt Duchene $8,000,000 $56,000,000 (2019)
Anaheim Ducks logo Cam Fowler $6,500,000 $52,000,000 (2018)
Colorado Avalanche logo Nathan MacKinnon $6,300,000 $44,100,000 (2016)
Colorado Avalanche logo Erik Johnson $6,000,000 $42,000,000 (2016)
Buffalo Sabres logo Kyle Okposo $6,000,000 $42,000,000 (2016)

- LAHawk

Who was Seabrook's genius agent?
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 14 @ 10:34 AM ET
On the brighter side I don't think there will be anymore sign stealing in baseball...
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jan 14 @ 10:37 AM ET
On the brighter side I don't think there will be anymore sign stealing in baseball...
- rpeters01

Bobby Thompson will be turning over in his grave....
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Jan 14 @ 10:41 AM ET
If you want to play that game, I'd rather have Bergeron, MacKinnon, and Stamkos (or Marchand). I love Kane, but as soon as he and Toews signed those contracts, the franchise was screwed. The Hawks are not going to win a cup while those contracts are still active.
- tazer_and_diet

If I’m not mistaken, they did win a cup after these contracts were signed, but I could be wrong.
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