Was she underage? Or not 21?
- Grinder47

Why are you trying to defend a pedo. Do you like little girls? Or little boys? (frank) you’re gross.

Kahun is presumably a permanent staple on the Malkin LW. Sullivan has shown he has no plans of breaking up that line.
- burgh4life87

I know its far away, or next season, but i prefer to see Guentzal on Genos Left rather than Kahun, may be an unpopular opinion, but i think they meshed better this season...granted, 87+59 last season > 71+59 this season.

I don't need stats to tell me that Simon sucks at scoring. That's the main point that I didn't lose and will never lose with Simon.

Of the players who have played 20+ games, here are the only - players on the Pens:
Galch
Simon
Blandisi
Schultz

The top of the list:
Dumo
Rust
McCann
Malkin
Marino
Guentzel
Kahun
Horny

One of these lists is not like the other...
- Hockey66

Nah they’re both like the other. Irrelevant because you used +/- as an evaluation tool.

Nah. Kassian puts up goals. Didn’t run just got a dui.
- Grinder47

Bud, don't act like hes such a terrible person for a DUI. I guarantee every single person on here has driven over the limit. Mistakes are made everyday, its not the end of the world. As long as you learn from your mistakes, DUI's are easily recoverable in my book.

I don't need stats to tell me that Simon sucks at scoring. That's the main point that I didn't lose and will never lose with Simon.

Of the players who have played 20+ games, here are the only - players on the Pens:
Galch
Simon
Blandisi
Schultz

The top of the list:
Dumo
Rust
McCann
Malkin
Marino
Guentzel
Kahun
Horny

One of these lists is not like the other...
- Hockey66

From 2017-18 to current
Sid and Simon - 718 minutes TOI - 45 goals for, 30 against
Sid and Rust - 920 minutes TOI - 42 goals for, 33 against
Sid and Horny - 505 minutes TOI - 20 goals for, 17 against

Yah, we get it. His shot sucks, but when he is on the ice with Sid, production goes up. Plain and simple.

Bud, don't act like hes such a terrible person for a DUI. I guarantee every single person on here has driven over the limit. Mistakes are made everyday, its not the end of the world. As long as you learn from your mistakes, DUI's are easily recoverable in my book.
- joecool2931

I prefer to push it to the limit... it’s tough but sometimes you want to walk along the razors edge. Sometimes when your drunk, don’t look down, just keep your head or you’ll be finished.

From 2017-18 to current
Sid and Simon - 718 minutes TOI - 45 goals for, 30 against
Sid and Rust - 920 minutes TOI - 42 goals for, 33 against
Sid and Horny - 505 minutes TOI - 20 goals for, 17 against

Yah, we get it. His shot sucks, but when he is on the ice with Sid, production goes up. Plain and simple.
- burgh4life87

Bingo... and this is what I meant by "works well together". I really couldn't give two Fs whos scoring or not on a line if the line is effective and producing.

Bud, don't act like hes such a terrible person for a DUI. I guarantee every single person on here has driven over the limit. Mistakes are made everyday, its not the end of the world. As long as you learn from your mistakes, DUI's are easily recoverable in my book.
- joecool2931

Haha. I have a dui. I know all this. Feds just isn’t old enough to go to the bar yet. He has a lot to learn in life.

From 2017-18 to current
Sid and Simon - 718 minutes TOI - 45 goals for, 30 against
Sid and Rust - 920 minutes TOI - 42 goals for, 33 against
Sid and Horny - 505 minutes TOI - 20 goals for, 17 against

Yah, we get it. His shot sucks, but when he is on the ice with Sid, production goes up. Plain and simple.
- burgh4life87

Those are pretty small samples and goals against goes up, too.

And how is goals for and against any better than +/-? It's essentially the same stat.

Slice it any way you want to, Simon has never produced and will never produce and should never be in the top 6. Period. He routinely butchers grade A scoring chances.

Bingo... and this is what I meant by "works well together". I really couldn't give two Fs whos scoring or not on a line if the line is effective and producing.
- MattStrat

Exactly. I think we all understand this isn't permanent and that the Penguins intend to use their cap space to bring in another top 6 forward, but until then using Simon in this spot is not going to negatively impact Sid in any way.

SIIIIDDDDD!!!!!

SIIIIDDDDD!!!!!
- powerhouse

28 games of waiting end tonight.

Exactly. I think we all understand this isn't permanent and that the Penguins intend to use their cap space to bring in another top 6 forward, but until then using Simon in this spot is not going to negatively impact Sid in any way.
- burgh4life87

You mean other than blowing point blank gimmies?

They've barely played together this year and I can count at least 5 atrocious blown opportunities.

Not going to be able to watch the game tonight, but I wish McCann would still be manning his own line.

Those are pretty small samples and goals against goes up, too.

And how is goals for and against any better than +/-? It's essentially the same stat.

Slice it any way you want to, Simon has never produced and will never produce and should never be in the top 6. Period. He routinely butchers grade A scoring chances.
- Hockey66

It is not the same stat. +/- arbitrarily chooses when a player gets a +/-. Goal differential is solely based on the strength (5v5, 4v4, etc.) +/- includes special teams and empty nets, making it unbalanced.

Those are pretty small samples and goals against goes up, too.

And how is goals for and against any better than +/-? It's essentially the same stat.

Slice it any way you want to, Simon has never produced and will never produce and should never be in the top 6. Period. He routinely butchers grade A scoring chances.
- Hockey66

700+ minutes at 5v5 is like 50 games. Not a small sample.
Goals for at 5v5 only account for 5v5, no shorties, empty netters, and other irregular events that take place.
And again, here is how I'm slicing it. The pens have shown to score MORE often when Simon is on the ice with Sid than they do when Hornqvist or Rust is. I dont care about all the chances your eyes see, the stats dont lie. The team plays better

It is not the same stat. +/- arbitrarily chooses when a player gets a +/-. Goal differential is solely based on the strength (5v5, 4v4, etc.) +/- includes special teams and empty nets, making it unbalanced.
- j.boyd919

Since when does +/- use PPs, PKs and ENs? I could have sworn that at least the first two categories weren't used.

Regardless, Simon sucks at scoring. Always has, always will. It is an absurd waste to play him with a generational center in the top 6. Tanev and Horny are better options, IMO.

Going to the game tonight! Already pumped for Sids return! Zucker playing? Would love to keep an eye on him.

700+ minutes at 5v5 is like 50 games. Not a small sample.
Goals for at 5v5 only account for 5v5, no shorties, empty netters, and other irregular events that take place.
And again, here is how I'm slicing it. The pens have shown to score MORE often when Simon is on the ice with Sid than they do when Hornqvist or Rust is. I dont care about all the chances your eyes see, the stats dont lie. The team plays better
- burgh4life87

And they give up more, too, so I disagree that you can definitively say that they play better. Show me a stat of the team's record when Simon is in the top 6 and when he is not in the top 6. They also haven't tried Tanev in that spot and he deserves it way more than Simon.

And I do care about all the blown chances my eyes see, because Simon has way more than any other player I can ever remember seeing. A player who doesn't have hands should not be in the top 6. Hags is a way better scorer than Simon will ever be and he was stapled to the third line.

Since when does +/- use PPs, PKs and ENs? I could have sworn that at least the first two categories weren't used.

Regardless, Simon sucks at scoring. Always has, always will. It is an absurd waste to play him with a generational center in the top 6. Tanev and Horny are better options, IMO.
- Hockey66

A player is awarded a "plus" each time he is on the ice when his Club scores an even-strength or shorthanded goal. He receives a "minus" if he is on the ice for an even-strength or shorthanded goal scored by the opposing Club. The difference in these numbers is considered the player's "plus-minus" statistic.

Either way the pens have better options then Simon in the top 6 in my opinion.

Not going to be able to watch the game tonight, but I wish McCann would still be manning his own line.
- Rinosaur

Ehh who would he or Sid play with then? They need some wing upgrades. If they had their own line it be..
Kahun-Geno-Rust (Good)
ZAR-Blue-Tanev (Good)
Simon-Sid-Horny? (Ok I guess)
Galch-McCann-Agozzino/Lafferty (Puke)
I'd rather have three good lines and one crap one is what I'm getting at. I'd even do McCann-Sid-Horny and Galch-Lafferty-Simon.

A player is awarded a "plus" each time he is on the ice when his Club scores an even-strength or shorthanded goal. He receives a "minus" if he is on the ice for an even-strength or shorthanded goal scored by the opposing Club. The difference in these numbers is considered the player's "plus-minus" statistic.

Either way the pens have better options then Simon in the top 6 in my opinion.
- pens4life-66

Ok, well, scoring shorties and giving up shorties are kind of a big deal and don't happen very often (same with ENs), so I say +/- is essentially the same as goals for/against.

Think about defending a Crosby line with Simon on it. You never have to worry about Simon scoring so you can double-team Crosby. Talk about playing with one hand tied behind your back.

To add to the Hags comparison, Hags is one of the fastest players in the league and Simon has average speed.

If Sid is really the one pushing this, then the coach should override him.

Ok, well, scoring shorties and giving up shorties are kind of a big deal and don't happen very often (same with ENs), so I say +/- is essentially the same as goals for/against.

Think about defending a Crosby line with Simon on it. You never have to worry about Simon scoring so you can double-team Crosby. Talk about playing with one hand tied behind your back.

To add to the Hags comparison, Hags is one of the fastest players in the league and Simon has average speed.

If Sid is really the one pushing this, then the coach should override him.
- Hockey66

This is what I have seen. Simon has time and space all over the ice because he is simply not a threat.

Oh well, he has been promoted twice this year to top line duty. Once with Sid and once with Geno and was subsequently dropped to fourth line duty each time. I look for the same thing to happen here.

Ehh who would he or Sid play with then? They need some wing upgrades. If they had their own line it be..
Kahun-Geno-Rust (Good)
ZAR-Blue-Tanev (Good)
Simon-Sid-Horny? (Ok I guess)
Galch-McCann-Agozzino/Lafferty (Puke)
I'd rather have three good lines and one crap one is what I'm getting at. I'd even do McCann-Sid-Horny and Galch-Lafferty-Simon.
- 668710

Completely agree. Geno's and Blueger's line are good, therefore Horny either plays with Sid or on a 3rd line. I like McCann on Sid's wing to start with.

Btw. Zucker plays tonight (with Staal).

Sid hates playing with Horny because he dumps and chases too often. I think that's all there is to it. They also won't put Galch with Sid so that leaves Simon. He isn't a top 6 winger. We are getting way to overworked about this, it's not permanent and it's obvious we need two wingers. Top 6 and a top 9 but two top 6 would be ideal.