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BorjeFan4Ever
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Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Jan 17 @ 7:50 PM ET
IMO, the NHL got it exactly right. No discipline for Tkachuk and 2 games for Kassian.
- tincup


we'll have to wait and see if you feel the same way when someone on the Oilers runs one of your darlings...

'cause you know - now that Tkachuk has proven that Kassian is just a dummy... how long do you think its going to take for Tippet and McDavid to figure what needs to be done?

and if something untoward were to happen to Gaudreau or Giordano, not in the next game because the Oilers aren't that dumb - Parros will likely attend the game himself - but a few games later... I'm guessing that the other Flames might not be thanking Tkachuk for his contributions.

karma's a female dog
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Jan 17 @ 7:51 PM ET
Pretty gross to levy a 2 game suspension to Kassian. He had been hit twice by Tkachuk in non-hockey plays that targeted his head, his helmet flew off both times.

Tkachuk has Kassian lined up from the dot. How is that NOT charging?

Penalty on the ice was all that was necessary, double-minor, misconduct.

- Wetbandit1


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Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jan 17 @ 8:06 PM ET
Wow..

I can't tell you how relieved I am to know that you are a former official.

The entire situation doesn't get out of hand - like it clearly did - if either one of the dumbass donkeys in stripes make the appropriate call on Tkachuk - for either the first hit which was high and knocked Kassian's helmet off OR for the second hit which was a charge - count the steps yourself - and which also knocked Kassian's helmet off.

So first "Fault" lies with the TWO referees. Paros had to save face an suspend Kassian - and let's be clear - that's all he was doing - saving face.

I hope that behind the scenes that Parros was reading those two referees the riot act..

either one of those hits is called "correctly" -and Kassian doesn't go crazy.

Now you may have been a referee, as I was for a while - but you didn't state whether you were a good one, or one who only officiated kids under age 12... so I'm going to assume that you are talking about officiating games where there was no physical element. I'm also going to assume that you never played the game with full contact.

No one, who either officiated at a senior level or played in a full contact situation would criticize Kassian for going after him.. fine him for excessive use of force and not stopping when directed - fine.

He should not have been suspended.
Tkachuk should have had a hearing - if only to be told - next time he will be.

- BorjeFan4Ever


I agree with this.

But... I think the "former official" was a reference to Mr. Stewart. I could be wrong... have been wrong once or twice before... but that's what I think poster meant.
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Jan 17 @ 9:54 PM ET
we'll have to wait and see if you feel the same way when someone on the Oilers runs one of your darlings...

'cause you know - now that Tkachuk has proven that Kassian is just a dummy... how long do you think its going to take for Tippet and McDavid to figure what needs to be done?

and if something untoward were to happen to Gaudreau or Giordano, not in the next game because the Oilers aren't that dumb - Parros will likely attend the game himself - but a few games later... I'm guessing that the other Flames might not be thanking Tkachuk for his contributions.

karma's a female dog

- BorjeFan4Ever


So, do you think Tkachuk should have been fined or suspended for that charge ? And you think Kassian continuing to punch Tkachuk up to 10 times was not excessive and he should not receive any further discipline ?
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jan 18 @ 10:23 AM ET
So, do you think Tkachuk should have been fined or suspended for that charge ? And you think Kassian continuing to punch Tkachuk up to 10 times was not excessive and he should not receive any further discipline ?
- tincup


No. A penalty for charging would have sufficed.

He should have received a fine and a phone call. That would have sufficed.
BorjeFan4Ever
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Jan 18 @ 10:30 AM ET
So, do you think Tkachuk should have been fined or suspended for that charge ? And you think Kassian continuing to punch Tkachuk up to 10 times was not excessive and he should not receive any further discipline ?
- tincup


no Tkachuk should not have been fined or suspended in my opinion.

he should however have been penalized - certainly for the first one. The fact he wasn't by two officials doesn't make the two officials correct - they weren't - they can take comfort in the fact that the both completely blew it - and contributed to the entire situation getting out of control.

Kassian should have been fined for not stopping to punch Tkachuk after it was clear he wasn't going to engage. Obviously the linesmen made a correct judgement call and let Kassian land a good few on Tkachuk prior to somewhat passive try and intervene - so they obviously believed Tkachuk "should take a few".

In my opinion you don't suspend Kassian. Suspending him sends the absolutely wrong message to Tkachuk and league.

If you listen to what Kassian said after the suspension was announced... "he now understands that those hits are legal"... and it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out precisely what he's going to do ....

the question to Flames fans is who's the most likely player to try and carry the puck around behind the net in that fashion?

NHL blew this on several levels... 1) two on ice officials couldn't have got this more wrong... twice
2) Parros... shouldn't have suspended Kassian
3) Parros ... should've had a call with Tkachuk - even if only for optics purposes - 'here's why that was a dangerous hit'

BorjeFan4Ever
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Jan 18 @ 10:31 AM ET
No. A penalty for charging would have sufficed.

He should have received a fine and a phone call. That would have sufficed.

- Wildschwein


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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jan 18 @ 10:35 AM ET
Yes, you are a dinosaur. If the DPS didn't suspend Kassian, they're saying it's okay to attack another player who's clearly not fighting back, and punch him in the head 10 times. What Tkachuk did was probably as cheap or dirty as you say, but it still doesn't mean you can beat up they guy. With brain injuries etc.., the NHL would open themselves up further if they did nothing.
- tincup


Ok, snowflake.
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Jan 18 @ 11:16 AM ET
Ok, snowflake.
- Tumbleweed


Hey I watched hockey in the 80s and 90s too. Guys beating the hell out of each other was entertaining but we're not going back there.
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Jan 18 @ 11:34 AM ET
No. A penalty for charging would have sufficed.

He should have received a fine and a phone call. That would have sufficed.

- Wildschwein


I'm okay with this. I thought 2 games was okay but a fine, a little light IMO but would have sent a message. My point all along is that if the NHL wants the Tkachuk hit out of the game, it's up to them to do it. Allowing it, then condoning the subsequent attack like some people want would be really dumb.
DodgeSoups
Montreal Canadiens
Location: BC
Joined: 06.30.2019

Jan 18 @ 12:17 PM ET
Great read Paul!

The NHL should be (frank)in embarrassed from the situation. The refs were brutal, so is the suspension.

Let’s teach kids that you can run around like a MORON (Tkachuk) and take dirty headshots with NO repercussions. Then after YOU’VE been victimized twice (Kassian), if you defend yourself, you’re suspended. WHAT A JOKE!

And by the way people of HockeyBuzz, here’s a question....
What was wrong with Tkachuk’s arms when Kassian went after him, why couldn’t he defend himself?

The answer is obvious, he’ll only hit Kassian when he can’t see it coming!
Tkachuk is a (frank)ing wussy!
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jan 18 @ 1:45 PM ET
What should the league do if a player with a known concussion(s) gets glove punched or suckered or worse?

Reactionary as usual or is it even factored into it by DoPS?
bochangs
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jan 20 @ 11:50 AM ET
What a shocker, everyone agrees with Paul on this one except those with "Calgary Flames" written under their user id's.

You all remind me of Barry "No Neck" Trotz, when he used to defend Tom Wilson like he was a church boy.
milamidb1
Season Ticket Holder
Location: Yuma, AZ
Joined: 06.15.2015

Jan 20 @ 3:06 PM ET
Paul, thanks for these. Good comments to read.
I agree that Tkachuk pulled a Lemieux type hits and then didn't have the guts to face the reaction of Kassian.
These types of hits are not "hockey plays" attempting to separate the player from the puck.
You made that and all points very clear and were stated well.
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