I can understand the sentiment, but I’m watching Kailer Yamamoto do that very thing for the Oilers.

Same age as Bellows. Similar AHL production.

What could it hurt?
- Wildschwein

I’m all for it. Can’t keep throwing the same twats out there when they’re mailing it in. These guys suddenly have no work ethic continuing to give them ice time sends the wrong message imo. Like I said I would really love to see trotz sit a top six player.

I’m all for it. Can’t keep throwing the same twats out there when they’re mailing it in. These guys suddenly have no work ethic continuing to give them ice time sends the wrong message imo. Like I said I would really love to see trotz sit a top six player.
- Cptmjl

Yup.

Sit Bailey for a game and play Bellows. Kid will give it his all at the very least.

I can understand that sentiment, but I’m watching Kailer Yamamoto do that very thing for the Oilers.

Same age as Bellows. Similar AHL production.

What could it hurt?
- Wildschwein

Could not hurt and it helps in sending a message. It's long overdue. Isles sometimes seem to have the idea if the player is not just tearing it up in Bridge they cannot help.

Come on 7. It was Barry's system that turned things around. It was not Martin and Leo coming in. You have to get out of this small time 4th line thinking. Trying is good 7 but Lou did not win 3 Cups by just trying. Lou himself would tell you he thought he could convince top FA's to sign and that has not happened.
- ses111

Barry puts the system in place and the players Lou gets have to execute the system. I don’t know if you realize this but the players do bear the blame when things aren’t going well.
This team won points in 17 games in a row. Did Barry forget how to coach in the past 10 games? Lou make a bad trade in the last 10 games?
You come on, this is the same team that was on a roll in the beginning of the year.
Now NJ wasn’t really a FA hot bed even when they were winning cups but Lou did sign some great players there. He offers a GM what he thinks is fair for Stone and offers Panarin more money and misses on both and that’s his fault? I don’t think so. His presence here shows more with Lee, Nelson and Eberle respect Lou and what he’s doing here and re sign and stay. I like JT, Frans KO etc. who wanted to get the (frank) out of this shat show.
If you haven’t noticed there’s a big difference I’m sorry.

Yup.

Sit Bailey for a game and play Bellows. Kid will give it his all at the very least.
- Wildschwein

Josh Bailey and Devon Toews are incapable of clearing the puck. The weakest, most half assed, clearing attempts I think I’ve ever seen on a consistent basis over the last month and a half. Toews is a bit of a slump I get it but it looks horrible like he’s not even making an effort.

Barry puts the system in place and the players Lou gets have to execute the system. I don’t know if you realize this but the players do bear the blame when things aren’t going well.
This team won points in 17 games in a row. Did Barry forget how to coach in the past 10 games? Lou make a bad trade in the last 10 games?
You come on this is the same team that was on a roll in the beginning of the year.
Now NJ wasn’t really a FA hot bed even when they were winning cups but Lou did sign some great players there. He offers a GM what he thinks is fair for Stone and offers Panarin more money and misses on both and that’s his fault? I don’t think so more like Lee, Nelson and Eberle respect Lou and what he’s doing here and re sign and stay. I like JT, Frans KO etc. who wanted to get the (frank) out of this shat show.
If you haven’t noticed there’s a big difference I’m sorry.
- nyisles7

Hard to see any blame on the players when they are not sitting. NJ was not an FA hotbed but Lou made bold trades with the Devils like bringing in Gilmore. The attitude may have changed with Lou and Barry but when the roster remains pretty much the same, the players get lazy and do not fear for their jobs. We will just have to agree to disagree on this 7. It's all good.

Josh Bailey and Devon Toews are incapable of clearing the puck. The weakest, most half assed, clearing attempts I think I’ve ever seen on a consistent basis over the last month and a half. Toews is a bit of a slump I get it but it looks horrible like he’s not even making an effort.
- Cptmjl

Leddy and Pulock were dreadful on the tying goal

Whole team played like shat in the 3rd period. Reminiscent of the first game against the Rags. Terrible puck management.

Barry puts the system in place and the players Lou gets have to execute the system. I don’t know if you realize this but the players do bear the blame when things aren’t going well.
This team won points in 17 games in a row. Did Barry forget how to coach in the past 10 games? Lou make a bad trade in the last 10 games?
You come on, this is the same team that was on a roll in the beginning of the year.
Now NJ wasn’t really a FA hot bed even when they were winning cups but Lou did sign some great players there. He offers a GM what he thinks is fair for Stone and offers Panarin more money and misses on both and that’s his fault? I don’t think so. His presence here shows more with Lee, Nelson and Eberle respect Lou and what he’s doing here and re sign and stay. I like JT, Frans KO etc. who wanted to get the (frank) out of this shat show.
If you haven’t noticed there’s a big difference I’m sorry.
- nyisles7

Well this one is a bit of a stretch. You can say it’s the arena or the way the team is looked upon etc but ultimately it’s the GM’s job to get it done. Excuses eventually wear out their welcome.

Leddy and Pulock were dreadful on the tying goal

Whole team played like shat in the 3rd period. Reminiscent of the first game against the Rags. Terrible puck management.
- nyisles7

Disagree. I think it was terrible everything 😂

Hard to see any blame on the players when they are not sitting. NJ was not an FA hotbed but Lou made bold trades with the Devils like bringing in Gilmore. The attitude may have changed with Lou and Barry but when the roster remains pretty much the same, the players get lazy and do not fear for their jobs. We will just have to agree to disagree on this 7. It's all good.
- ses111

Of course it’s a discussion but honestly the roster is the same from last year and Lou deserves credit that he signed all his key FA.
That said the roster from when Lou took over to opening night last year the rooster was very different especially the bottom 6 and goaltending that were the big issues when Lou took over.

Whether you like his moves or thought they were shat, those moves and the players cam together as a team and played well under Barry Trotz.

Of course it’s a discussion but honestly the roster is the same from last year and Lou deserves credit that he signed all his key FA.
That said the roster from when Lou took over to opening night last year the rooster was very different especially the bottom 6 and goaltending that were the big issues when Lou took over.

Whether you like his moves or thought they were shat, those moves and the players cam together as a team and played well under Barry Trotz.
- nyisles7

I don’t have a horse in this race I’ve been (frank)ing joking for the last three pages but there in lies the problem. Anything he added to the bottom 6 pretty much sucks moose balls. I’ll also disagree with you on Varlamov that is a face palm signing imo. Completely unnecessary when we had a Vezina finalist we could’ve signed quite obviously for less who is now kicking ass on a terrible defensive team. There’s no dolling up those optics.

Well this one is a bit of a stretch. You can say it’s the arena or the way the team is looked upon etc but ultimately it’s the GM’s job to get it done. Excuses eventually wear out their welcome.
- Cptmjl

Ok offered more money and the guy wasn’t come. So should Lou have offered him 15 million to change his mind? I could just imagine this thread if that was done. Panarin wasn’t coming here period. People have said Stone wasn’t signing here either. Don’t know if that’s accurate or shat.

So that said it’s also the GMs job to be smart and realize when he’s offered more and the player for what ever reason isn’t coming.

Ok offered more money and the guy wasn’t come. So should Lou have offered him 15 million to change his mind? I could just imagine this thread if that was done. Panarin wasn’t coming here period. People have said Stone wasn’t signing here either. Don’t know if that’s accurate or shat.

So that said it’s also the GMs job to be smart and realize when he’s offered more and the player for what ever reason isn’t coming.
- nyisles7

It may not be the money and I wasn’t specifically talking about panarin. Maybe panarin was going there no matter what but the GM’s job is to sell the team to players. I have nothing to reference that happening? Like I’ve said too many times on here I’m not one for excuses. This roster has/had obvious holes and needs help. We did nothing in the offseason besides sign FA’s and sign a goaltender to a terrible contract. I get it you don’t think Lameriello can do any wrong and that’s fine we all have different opinions on things but there’s not much to base on him being able to add to this line up. He’s had two off seasons and a deadline with a team that has been competing. I’ll also add I don’t hate Lameriello or want him gone in anyway but I will say I’m standing by to see if he can actually get something done. All I’ve seen is some stuff that I don’t necessarily agree with besides getting trotz which was obviously monumental.

I don’t have a horse in this race I’ve been (frank)ing joking for the last three pages but there in lies the problem. Anything he added to the bottom 6 pretty much sucks moose balls. I’ll also disagree with you on Varlamov that is a face palm signing imo. Completely unnecessary when we had a Vezina finalist we could’ve signed quite obviously for less who is now kicking ass on a terrible defensive team. There’s no dolling up those optics.
- Cptmjl

Results show it work. Can’t say it didn’t. Made the POs won a round in the first year in charge after the shat signings. Again it worked no way to say it didn’t.

Now Lehner I have no idea what the (frank) went wrong there. We heard from the media and different tweets that he wanted to stay and Lou wanted him but something went wrong. Now out of Chicago he saying he wants to stay but isn’t giving a hometown discount. So is his agent a douche, is Robin saying things publicly and other things behind closed doors? I don’t know but it seems like he may be on his 3rd team in 3 year this off season.

I would have loved Robin back even though he’s a swig away from crazy town but it just didn’t happen. I would love to know the inside scoop on that if someone has dinner at a players house or goes to a players kid’s bday.

It may not be the money and I wasn’t specifically talking about panarin. Maybe panarin was going there no matter what but the GM’s job is to sell the team to players. I have nothing to reference that happening? Like I’ve said too many times on here I’m not one for excuses. This roster has/had obvious holes and needs help. We did nothing in the offseason besides sign FA’s and sign a goaltender to a terrible contract. I get it you don’t think Lameriello can do any wrong and that’s fine we all have different opinions on things but there’s not much to base on him being able to add to this line up. He’s had two off seasons and a deadline with a team that has been competing. I’ll also add I don’t hate Lameriello or want him gone in anyway but I will say I’m standing by to see if he can actually get something done. All I’ve seen is some stuff that I don’t necessarily agree with besides getting trotz which was obviously monumental.
- Cptmjl

Easy on the HB hyperbole please.

His first off season the roster was changed a lot. Whether you think it was shat trades and signings or not but it was different. Let me add it worked. Can’t disagree with that. You can throw BS about it was all coaching blah blah blah and if that’s true a Barry should be fired now because he’s slipping.

Results show it work. Can’t say it didn’t. Made the POs won a round in the first year in charge after the shat signings. Again it worked no way to say it didn’t.

Now Lehner I have no idea what the (frank) went wrong there. We heard from the media and different tweets that he wanted to stay and Lou wanted him but something went wrong. Now out of Chicago he saying he wants to stay but isn’t giving a hometown discount. So is his agent a douche, is Robin saying things publicly and other things behind closed doors? I don’t know but it seems like he may be on his 3rd team in 3 year this off season.

I would have loved Robin back even though he’s a swig away from crazy town but it just didn’t happen. I would love to know the inside scoop on that if someone has dinner at a players house or goes to a players kid’s bday.
- nyisles7

Why the hell should he? He earned a contract if you want him to stay you pay him. I can only go by what we all know as far as drawing a conclusion about what happened with lehner and us. From what I gather lehner wanted to have time to consider the offer and Lameriello signed Varlamov while they were thinking it over. That’s all we got. That to me of true is absolutely insane. I have a hard time believing lehner wanted to leave when he publicly said he loved it here and wanted to stay. Finally we have a guy putting up elite numbers that actually wants to stay and we let him walk only to sign a guy that lost his starting job to a four year inflated contract. Here we are not able to attract good or elite players and we let one walk. Sorry that will never look anything but completely moronic to me.

Easy on the HB hyperbole please.

His first off season the roster was changed a lot. Whether you think it was shat trades and signings or not but it was different. Let me add it worked. Can’t disagree with that. You can throw BS about it was all coaching blah blah blah and if that’s true a Barry should be fired now because he’s slipping.
- nyisles7

😂

Listen man I’m not fighting with you but I 100% stand by that comment and there’s literally nobody on here that will disagree with me😂😂👍😉

Why the hell should he? He earned a contract if you want him to stay you pay him. I can only go by what we all know as far as drawing a conclusion about what happened with lehner and us. From what I gather lehner wanted to have time to consider the offer and Lameriello signed Varlamov while they were thinking it over. That’s all we got. That to me of true is absolutely insane. I have a hard time believing lehner wanted to leave when he publicly said he loved it here and wanted to stay. Finally we have a guy putting up elite numbers that actually wants to stay and we let him walk only to sign a guy that lost his starting job to a four year inflated contract. Here we are not able to attract good or elite players and we let one walk. Sorry that will never look anything but completely moronic to me.
- Cptmjl

Ok if that’s true and we are only assuming it is. Lou waits for Lehner answer another team signs Varly who is Lou’s fall back (probably because Korn likes him and drafted and worked with him in Washington) And then Lehner doesn’t sign with the Isles and Lou is left with his Dack in his hand then what?

How long was Lou waiting for the answer? A day, a week? How long did Lou tell him he wanted to know if Lehner is in or out because he needs to do something? That we don’t know. I know your not a Lou fan so its his fault, however we really don’t know why or what went wrong in the negotiations and who’s fault it was and it usually lies with both honestly.

Unless of course MM and Casey told you?

😂

Listen man I’m not fighting with you but I 100% stand by that comment and there’s literally nobody on here that will disagree with me😂😂👍😉
- Cptmjl

Meh, he’s done the organization well up to this point. I will make judgements on it when the season ends.

Ok if that’s true and we are only assuming it is. Lou waits for Lehner answer another team signs Varly who is Lou’s fall back (probably because Korn likes him and drafted and worked with him in Washington) And then Lehner doesn’t sign with the Isles and Lou is left with his Dack in his hand then what?

How long was Lou waiting for the answer? A day, a week? How long did Lou tell him he wanted to know if Lehner is in or out because he needs to do something? That we don’t know. I know your not a Lou fan so its his fault, however we really don’t know why or what went wrong in the negotiations and who’s fault it was and it usually lies with both honestly.

Unless of course MM and Casey told you?
- nyisles7

This is all true and fair points I don’t disagree but with that said with what we have to go by he wanted to stay. He signed a one year deal with Chicago I would think a three year deal would’ve been more than fair and he would’ve signed. I’m assuming but what went so wrong with negotiations that they went south? No matter how you slice it that’s Lameriello’s job.

Meh, he’s done the organization well up to this point. I will make judgements on it when the season ends.
- nyisles7

I don’t disagree but we’re back to not being able to expand on whatever positive we have now which has been a problem for a decade and a half that’s why you see the Snow comparisons from some. That may have been his biggest fault. Again, that’s his job. I also agree all kidding aside I’m in wait and see mode let’s see what he does at the trade deadline. I also believe the team will turn it around we all know what they are capable of but they need to add to the line up. If he doesn’t do that then to me it’s a failure on his part.

Ok if that’s true and we are only assuming it is. Lou waits for Lehner answer another team signs Varly who is Lou’s fall back (probably because Korn likes him and drafted and worked with him in Washington) And then Lehner doesn’t sign with the Isles and Lou is left with his Dack in his hand then what?

How long was Lou waiting for the answer? A day, a week? How long did Lou tell him he wanted to know if Lehner is in or out because he needs to do something? That we don’t know. I know your not a Lou fan so its his fault, however we really don’t know why or what went wrong in the negotiations and who’s fault it was and it usually lies with both honestly.

Unless of course MM and Casey told you?
- nyisles7

I do believe that Lou wanted Bobrovsky but priced himself out, then Varly to make possible the transition of Sorokin more comfortable with another addition of a Russian born player to roster w/Komorov


Not quite sure if Lehner was really wanted back if upper management knew that Sorokin was def/might come over

I do believe that Lou wanted Bobrovsky but priced himself out, then Varly to make possible the transition of Sorokin more comfortable with another addition of a Russian born player to roster w/Komorov



Not quite sure if Lehner was really wanted back if upper management knew that Sorokin was def/might come over
- Hell_Bent

I honestly don’t think Varly was signed because of Sorokin.

The kids gonna make up his own mind and honestly I think his KHL team is gonna throw a shat ton of money at Sorokin.

I do think Lehner was a choice to bring back, and why wouldn’t you he was brilliant.
Things just got (frank)ed up in negotiations and it didn’t happen. I think Varly was always
the back up plan if Lehner wasn’t signed.

Just my opinion of course.

I don’t disagree but we’re back to not being able to expand on whatever positive we have now which has been a problem for a decade and a half that’s why you see the Snow comparisons from some. That may have been his biggest fault. Again, that’s his job. I also agree all kidding aside I’m in wait and see mode let’s see what he does at the trade deadline. I also believe the team will turn it around we all know what they are capable of but they need to add to the line up. If he doesn’t do that then to me it’s a failure on his part.
- Cptmjl

I hope they turn it around. They need to nip it in the butt right away or this can get real ugly quick.
It’s times like this where the coach is really important as the players are gripping their sticks a bit tighter and then will start looking for answers.

If they don’t turn this around they may not need to make a deal for a PO rental

This is all true and fair points I don’t disagree but with that said with what we have to go by he wanted to stay. He signed a one year deal with Chicago I would think a three year deal would’ve been more than fair and he would’ve signed. I’m assuming but what went so wrong with negotiations that they went south? No matter how you slice it that’s Lameriello’s job.
- Cptmjl

Oh yeah Lou signed Varly and let Lehner walk ( again for reasons un known )no matter the reason that’s on Lou. Would we have done the same, I don’t know because we don’t know what went on. But yeah ultimately Lou lives with that.

Ok we discussed these issues to death I’m going to the Frisky Oyster for some drinks and dinner.

Have a good night (frank)ers