if so... hopefully it comes with a Game 7 ejection seat.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Lmao

They need a lockout, to have traded for him and then an unconditional buyout to be allowed.
- AdamFrench

Or just trade him to the Islanders.. Bettman is scared of Lou Lamoriello. Managed to get out from that Kovalchuk penalty.

So what is the over/under on Muzzin's next contract?

3 x 5.5 or 4 x 5 ....ish?

Or just trade him to the Islanders.. Bettman is scared of Lou Lamoriello. Managed to get out from that Kovalchuk penalty.
- PatC80

He's not afraid of Lou Lamoriello.

He's afraid of the shoes Lou wants him to wear.

So what is the over/under on Muzzin's next contract?

3 x 5.5 or 4 x 5 ....ish?
- The Law

I am gonna say 3 yr/ $10.5M total

I am gonna say 3 yr/ $10.5M total
- PatC80

U wish
5 x 4.8m =24m

So what is the over/under on Muzzin's next contract?

3 x 5.5 or 4 x 5 ....ish?
- The Law

193 games until we regret the signing.

Over or under?

They need a lockout, to have traded for him and then an unconditional buyout to be allowed.
- AdamFrench

In all seriousness, I strongly suspect the NHL will allow this thing to be swept under the rug.

Nashville didn't write the contract, so it seems a little fair to punish them for "attempted cap circumvention" - especially since it was legal at the time of signing.

So what is the over/under on Muzzin's next contract?

3 x 5.5 or 4 x 5 ....ish?
- The Law

This is as high as I would want the leafs to go.

But some other team will probably offer 6x6 because free agency is dumb.

In all seriousness, I strongly suspect the NHL will allow this thing to be swept under the rug.

Nashville didn't write the contract, so it seems a little fair to punish them for "attempted cap circumvention" - especially since it was legal at the time of signing.
- Atomic Wedgie

would be funny if they change the rules after the nucks are done with luongo's penalty but before the habs can bend nashville over.

when is that new cba coming up....

So what is the over/under on Muzzin's next contract?

3 x 5.5 or 4 x 5 ....ish?
- The Law

senstroll....do you have the link to the google sheet with all the contract estimates?

He's not afraid of Lou Lamoriello.

He's afraid of the shoes Lou wants him to wear.
- Monkeypunk

Almost the same, no?

In all seriousness, I strongly suspect the NHL will allow this thing to be swept under the rug.

Nashville didn't write the contract, so it seems a little fair to punish them for "attempted cap circumvention" - especially since it was legal at the time of signing.
- Atomic Wedgie

We touched on this last year as well. At first I agreed, and then I got to thinking about it . . . it's not like Nashville didn't get to benefit from the rewards of the backdiving contract for 6 years.

Just because Philly drew up the contract, Nashville benefitted from it. Let's say Weber retires at 36 when his contract drops from $6m to $3m, leaving $6m over 4 years on the table. His actual AAV should have been $10.4m, not $7.85, meaning that Nashville had a $2.54m advantage in cap by having Weber in their line-up. Over 6 years, that's an accumulated $15.2m.

Someone should end up having to pay from benefiting from that competitive advantage, and Philly didn't benefit.

Montreal is also now benefitting similarly.

Now, if he plays until he's 37 (the one $3m year), that AAV advantage changes to $1.87m per year.

Bottom line is that it's too late for Nashville to cry foul now. The right thing to do would have been to talk to the NHL, NHLPA, Weber, and his agent when the back diving ruling was launched, cried foul then, and then looked for an amiable solution that resulted in the contract being voided, and Weber not being declared a UFA as a result.

We touched on this last year as well. At first I agreed, and then I got to thinking about it . . . it's not like Nashville didn't get to benefit from the rewards of the backdiving contract for 6 years.

Just because Philly drew up the contract, Nashville benefitted from it. Let's say Weber retires at 36 when his contract drops from $6m to $3m, leaving $6m over 4 years on the table. His actual AAV should have been $10.4m, not $7.85, meaning that Nashville had a $2.54m advantage in cap by having Weber in their line-up. Over 6 years, that's an accumulated $15.2m.

Someone should end up having to pay from benefiting from that competitive advantage, and Philly didn't benefit.

Montreal is also now benefitting similarly.

Now, if he plays until he's 37 (the one $3m year), that AAV advantage changes to $1.87m per year.

Bottom line is that it's too late for Nashville to cry foul now. The right thing to do would have been to talk to the NHL, NHLPA, Weber, and his agent when the back diving ruling was launched, cried foul then, and then looked for an amiable solution that resulted in the contract being voided, and Weber not being declared a UFA as a result.
- Monkeypunk

I fully expect that if Nashville gets stuck with a 15 million dollar cap hit due to early retirement, that the league will let it go.

senstroll....do you have the link to the google sheet with all the contract estimates?
- Tumbleweed

https://twitter.com/evolv...19332945439928323?lang=en

We touched on this last year as well. At first I agreed, and then I got to thinking about it . . . it's not like Nashville didn't get to benefit from the rewards of the backdiving contract for 6 years.

Just because Philly drew up the contract, Nashville benefitted from it. Let's say Weber retires at 36 when his contract drops from $6m to $3m, leaving $6m over 4 years on the table. His actual AAV should have been $10.4m, not $7.85, meaning that Nashville had a $2.54m advantage in cap by having Weber in their line-up. Over 6 years, that's an accumulated $15.2m.

Someone should end up having to pay from benefiting from that competitive advantage, and Philly didn't benefit.

Montreal is also now benefitting similarly.

Now, if he plays until he's 37 (the one $3m year), that AAV advantage changes to $1.87m per year.

Bottom line is that it's too late for Nashville to cry foul now. The right thing to do would have been to talk to the NHL, NHLPA, Weber, and his agent when the back diving ruling was launched, cried foul then, and then looked for an amiable solution that resulted in the contract being voided, and Weber not being declared a UFA as a result.
- Monkeypunk

thing is, the rule is explicit in the current CBA. Nashville approved the CBA as part of unanimous team approval.

hard to argue against a rule that you approved.

their out is to see it revised in the next cba.

https://twitter.com/evolvingwild/status/1119332945439928323?lang=en
- Monkeypunk

cheers

I fully expect that if Nashville gets stuck with a 15 million dollar cap hit due to early retirement, that the league will let it go.
- TheMussel

I would find a way to (a) offset it, or (b) reduce it (ie, they were under the cap by 'x', so the advantage was not fully realized).

But the truth is . . if you run a league that has a set of rules that are there for the sole purposes of ensuring even competition, allowing one team to violate those rules that gives them an unfair financial advantage isn't something the league should permit.

As an aside, in a related way - I expect the league is going to try and figure out ways to address the financial might of the Leafs & Rangers and so on to limit the amount of signing bonus percentage, or limit the ability to acquire LTIR, and so on.

I would find a way to (a) offset it, or (b) reduce it (ie, they were under the cap by 'x', so the advantage was not fully realized).

But the truth is . . if you run a league that has a set of rules that are there for the sole purposes of ensuring even competition, allowing one team to violate those rules that gives them an unfair financial advantage isn't something the league should permit.

As an aside, in a related way - I expect the league is going to try and figure out ways to address the financial might of the Leafs & Rangers and so on to limit the amount of signing bonus percentage, or limit the ability to acquire LTIR, and so on.
- Monkeypunk

The NHL is far from a sovereign nation, and by that I mean that they're more pragmatic than a country who upholds the rule of law to the letter. Bettman is indeed concerned with parity, and is also concerned by non-traditional markets and profits for the owners he represents. He will convince the owners to allow some latitude in this situation, since the rules that are being broken are broken because the CBA was broken before the current CBA came into effect. If it can happen with Kovy, it will happen with Weber.

I would find a way to (a) offset it, or (b) reduce it (ie, they were under the cap by 'x', so the advantage was not fully realized).

But the truth is . . if you run a league that has a set of rules that are there for the sole purposes of ensuring even competition, allowing one team to violate those rules that gives them an unfair financial advantage isn't something the league should permit.

As an aside, in a related way - I expect the league is going to try and figure out ways to address the financial might of the Leafs & Rangers and so on to limit the amount of signing bonus percentage, or limit the ability to acquire LTIR, and so on.
- Monkeypunk

You think they will cap salary on coaches and front office now?!

In addition, Jersey didn't have any punishment for Kovy so why would the league punish Nashville now?

I would find a way to (a) offset it, or (b) reduce it (ie, they were under the cap by 'x', so the advantage was not fully realized).

But the truth is . . if you run a league that has a set of rules that are there for the sole purposes of ensuring even competition, allowing one team to violate those rules that gives them an unfair financial advantage isn't something the league should permit.

As an aside, in a related way - I expect the league is going to try and figure out ways to address the financial might of the Leafs & Rangers and so on to limit the amount of signing bonus percentage, or limit the ability to acquire LTIR, and so on.
- Monkeypunk

If he retires in his last year, there is a $24.57 million cap hit penalty.

That's a franchise killer.

If he retires in his last year, there is a $24.57 million cap hit penalty.

That's a franchise killer.
- Atomic Wedgie

Nashville has Hossa's jock strap locked up somewhere.

This is as high as I would want the leafs to go.

But some other team will probably offer 6x6 because free agency is dumb.
- Leafs43

Looking at comps ...Muzzin will be 31 next month.

Stralman got 3 x 5.5 at age 32
Hjarmalsson got 2 x 5 at age 31
M. Green got 2 x 5.3 at age 32

Looking at CF I don't see any recent 4+ yr deals for D'men over 30.

If he retires in his last year, there is a $24.57 million cap hit penalty.

That's a franchise killer.
- Atomic Wedgie

John Chayka's like

I would find a way to (a) offset it, or (b) reduce it (ie, they were under the cap by 'x', so the advantage was not fully realized).

But the truth is . . if you run a league that has a set of rules that are there for the sole purposes of ensuring even competition, allowing one team to violate those rules that gives them an unfair financial advantage isn't something the league should permit.

As an aside, in a related way - I expect the league is going to try and figure out ways to address the financial might of the Leafs & Rangers and so on to limit the amount of signing bonus percentage, or limit the ability to acquire LTIR, and so on.
- Monkeypunk

Idk man.

It’s not smart to punish the teams that keep the NHL afloat.

The NHL wants the Leafs and Rangers to be good.

Imagine they couldn’t get rid of Clarkson? Marleau? Zaitzev?

They wouldn’t be nearly as good and that’s not good for the NHL.