Looking at comps ...Muzzin will be 31 next month.

Stralman got 3 x 5.5 at age 32
Hjarmalsson got 2 x 5 at age 31
M. Green got 2 x 5.3 at age 32

Looking at CF I don't see any recent 4+ yr deals for D'men over 30.
- The Law

People like to ignore this part

James Mirtle
@mirtle
Leafs are hopeful Muzzin can return after the all-star break.
2:45 PM · Jan 15, 2020·Twitter for Android

Looking at comps ...Muzzin will be 31 next month.

Stralman got 3 x 5.5 at age 32
Hjarmalsson got 2 x 5 at age 31
M. Green got 2 x 5.3 at age 32

Looking at CF I don't see any recent 4+ yr deals for D'men over 30.
- The Law

I'd still do something like 16 million over 4 years.

The NHL is far from a sovereign nation, and by that I mean that they're more pragmatic than a country who upholds the rule of law to the letter. Bettman is indeed concerned with parity, and is also concerned by non-traditional markets and profits for the owners he represents. He will convince the owners to allow some latitude in this situation, since the rules that are being broken are broken because the CBA was broken before the current CBA came into effect. If it can happen with Kovy, it will happen with Weber.
- TheMussel

what rules were broken with kovy?

You think they will cap salary on coaches and front office now?!

In addition, Jersey didn't have any punishment for Kovy so why would the league punish Nashville now?
- Aaron_85

NJ did get hit with a cap recapture penalty.

Who?
- AdamFrench

oh

I'd still do something like 16 million over 4 years.
- Aaron_85

Ya, for guys his age more years = lower AAV.

2 x 5.5 or 3 x 5 or 4 x 4 .....maybe a little higher for inflation. Premium gas and foreign domestics are getting more expensive.

I fully expect that if Nashville gets stuck with a 15 million dollar cap hit due to early retirement, that the league will let it go.
- TheMussel

exactly... Gary will create some loophole that allows for an escape - with a nominal charge - league minimum cap hit for 3 years or whatever.

and if they do... I hope the Canucks go mental... as they rightly should - because the Canucks are eating Luongo's backslide number.

If he retires in his last year, there is a $24.57 million cap hit penalty.

That's a franchise killer.
- Atomic Wedgie

Here's the thing: *I* believe that if you cheated to gain an unfair advantage, then you should pay the price for it. That being said, who cares what *I* think? After all, *I* also think the NHL approved all of those contracts, so the fact that they went after them after the fact is hypocritical. You can't fine me for going 50 in a 30 zone yesterday that you only changed to a 30 today. But in the NHL you can.

If, upon the introduction of the new CBA, they found Luongo's, Weber's, Kovalchuk's (and I can't remember who else offhand - Richards? Carter?) contracts to be in violation of the new CBA, it should have been dealt with contractually.

They let the Devils off with their 1st rounder penalty, but didn't let the Canucks off with the Luongo penalty.

Who KNOWS what they are going to do? In the face of a $24.5m penalty, they would likely have to do SOMETHING for the sake optics, but it would have to be alleviated in some sane fashion.

Here's the thing: *I* believe that if you cheated to gain an unfair advantage, then you should pay the price for it. That being said, who cares what *I* think? After all, *I* also think the NHL approved all of those contracts, so the fact that they went after them after the fact is hypocritical. You can't fine me for going 50 in a 30 zone yesterday that you only changed to a 30 today. But in the NHL you can.

If, upon the introduction of the new CBA, they found Luongo's, Weber's, Kovalchuk's (and I can't remember who else offhand - Richards? Carter?) contracts to be in violation of the new CBA, it should have been dealt with contractually.

They let the Devils off with their 1st rounder penalty, but didn't let the Canucks off with the Luongo penalty.

Who KNOWS what they are going to do? In the face of a $24.5m penalty, they would likely have to do SOMETHING for the sake optics, but it would have to be alleviated in some sane fashion.
- Monkeypunk

Nashville has likely been in constant discussion with the NHL or already knows what's going to happen...

One of the league's best playmakers plays with one of the league's best goal scorers and they are lighting it up.
Babcock couldn't figure that one huh?

Looking at comps ...Muzzin will be 31 next month.

Stralman got 3 x 5.5 at age 32
Hjarmalsson got 2 x 5 at age 31
M. Green got 2 x 5.3 at age 32

Looking at CF I don't see any recent 4+ yr deals for D'men over 30.
- The Law

mcdonagh ... and russell lolololo

sj seems to have the market cornered on long-term deals for dmen in their ~30's.

i'd guess 3x5.5 is what it would take.

James Mirtle
@mirtle
Leafs are hopeful Muzzin can return after the all-star break.
2:45 PM · Jan 15, 2020·Twitter for Android
- Atomic Wedgie

Good to hear. Was to start skating today, I believe

Idk man.

It’s not smart to punish the teams that keep the NHL afloat.

The NHL wants the Leafs and Rangers to be good.

Imagine they couldn’t get rid of Clarkson? Marleau? Zaitzev?

They wouldn’t be nearly as good and that’s not good for the NHL.
- Santo_44

I, obviously, don't want that. It's advantageous for the Leafs. There was a lot of grousing in the off-season - that we all must remember. Guys like Friedman and LeBrun were talking about how some of the NHL's have-nots were not fans of the fact that some teams could pay out so much in Signing Bonuses - because many teams couldn't afford to do so.

I don't remember (largely because I don't care and I'm not affected), but I think in some cases there are tax advantages to the signing bonus, and there are obvious play advantages in that it guarantees a payout even if there's a lockout.

The LTIR thing . . .I can't remember the context around it. I think it had specifically to do with moving players for the sole purpose of extending your LTIR reach (ie, if you're already operating in LTIR, trading adding more LTIR space should be capped or prohibited),

One of the league's best playmakers plays with one of the league's best goal scorers and they are lighting it up.
Babcock couldn't figure that one huh?
- BestRapperAlive

Now imagine if Babs was the coach in Washington?

One of the league's best playmakers plays with one of the league's best goal scorers and they are lighting it up.
Babcock couldn't figure that one huh?
- BestRapperAlive

Probably punishment for Matthews not submitting his team marry (frank) kill list to babcock

One of the league's best playmakers plays with one of the league's best goal scorers and they are lighting it up.
Babcock couldn't figure that one huh?
- BestRapperAlive

He got stubborn. Really,really stubborn for some reason.

193 games until we regret the signing.

Over or under?
- Atomic Wedgie

Under

I bet he has a year and half on his new contract before he looks out of place. With the way this team is built with speed and skill he might look out of place sooner even if he may not be all that bad.

One of the league's best playmakers plays with one of the league's best goal scorers and they are lighting it up.
Babcock couldn't figure that one huh?
- BestRapperAlive

I don't know... not defending Babcock ... but...

Marner was playing with Tavares - who scored more goals than Matthews... so it wasn't exactly a bad thing.

Maybe, just maybe Babcock thought that Matthews could improve Nylander and that keeping Marner with Tavares would balance the two lines out more.

doesn't seem that irrational...

what does some irrational is resigning Marincin again.
or forcing Petan into the lineup
of not getting a better or additional back-up goalie.

Under

I bet he has a year and half on his new contract before he looks out of place. With the way this team is built with speed and skill he might look out of place sooner even if he may not be all that bad.
- bryant

We are Leaf fans.

If he signs a new deal, we won't like him before the 1st period of the 1st game is done. We might sour on him in the preseason.

Man. Just thinking about it makes me hate him already. What an ass!

I don't know... not defending Babcock ... but...

Marner was playing with Tavares - who scored more goals than Matthews... so it wasn't exactly a bad thing.

Maybe, just maybe Babcock thought that Matthews could improve Nylander and that keeping Marner with Tavares would balance the two lines out more.

doesn't seem that irrational...

what does some irrational is resigning Marincin again.
or forcing Petan into the lineup
of not getting a better or additional back-up goalie.
- BorjeFan4Ever

The irrational part was never trying it, even during a losing streak, even in game 7 down 2 goals in the 3rd. Generally if you need a goal you might consider putting your 2 best players out together

Looking at comps ...Muzzin will be 31 next month.

Stralman got 3 x 5.5 at age 32
Hjarmalsson got 2 x 5 at age 31
M. Green got 2 x 5.3 at age 32

Looking at CF I don't see any recent 4+ yr deals for D'men over 30.
- The Law

Too lazy to look it up. Did those guys go to FA or were they resigned prior to July 31?

Maybe the term is reduced. But I think someone gives him 6 mil cap hit if he plays well when he comes back. I of course would take him cheaper if Dubas can get it done. Even with Muzzin back next year our defense looks rough.

We are Leaf fans.

If he signs a new deal, we won't like him before the 1st period of the 1st game is done. We might sour on him in the preseason.

Man. Just thinking about it makes me hate him already. What an ass!
- Monkeypunk

If he signs for any money, I'm so gonna hate him.. Greedy Muzz.. Think of the cap....

The irrational part was never trying it, even during a losing streak, even in game 7 down 2 goals in the 3rd. Generally if you need a goal you might consider putting your 2 best players out together
- BestRapperAlive

So, you didn't like that he used the very, very ineffective Brown-Nylander-Marleau line in the Bruins series?

Here's the thing: *I* believe that if you cheated to gain an unfair advantage, then you should pay the price for it. That being said, who cares what *I* think? After all, *I* also think the NHL approved all of those contracts, so the fact that they went after them after the fact is hypocritical. You can't fine me for going 50 in a 30 zone yesterday that you only changed to a 30 today. But in the NHL you can.

If, upon the introduction of the new CBA, they found Luongo's, Weber's, Kovalchuk's (and I can't remember who else offhand - Richards? Carter?) contracts to be in violation of the new CBA, it should have been dealt with contractually.

They let the Devils off with their 1st rounder penalty, but didn't let the Canucks off with the Luongo penalty.

Who KNOWS what they are going to do? In the face of a $24.5m penalty, they would likely have to do SOMETHING for the sake optics, but it would have to be alleviated in some sane fashion.
- Monkeypunk

Philly went 50 in a 30 zone, and then Nashville bought their car.