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Eklund
Commissioner
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jan 17 @ 12:32 PM ET
Eklund: Buzz Debate: The Greatest Goal Scorer EVER? Buzz@1
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 17 @ 12:32 PM ET
Yes.
NewfieStud
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 03.04.2013

Jan 17 @ 12:34 PM ET
Nope! It's Phil Kessel! Nobody even comes close to Phil The Mafrankin Thrill!
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jan 17 @ 12:35 PM ET
Yup.
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Jan 17 @ 12:35 PM ET
In this era, for sure. All time his GPG% is lower than Mario, Brett Hull, and Mike Bossy, but those eras saw much lower average save percentages. As such, this is a subjective assertion and likely depends on what NHL era you grew up in.
ward30nhl
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: 52 West
Joined: 01.04.2007

Jan 17 @ 12:36 PM ET
Dougie Hamilton breaks leg. Where do the Canes turn to for help?
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Jan 17 @ 12:39 PM ET
Dougie Hamilton breaks leg. Where do the Canes turn to for help?
- ward30nhl

77emac77
Boston Bruins
Location: Duct tape cant fix stupid but it can muffle the sound, MA
Joined: 04.22.2010

Jan 17 @ 12:40 PM ET
talk to me when he scores 50 goals in 50 games.
Sharks77
Season Ticket Holder
San Jose Sharks
Location: San Bruno, CA
Joined: 06.08.2013

Jan 17 @ 12:40 PM ET
Dougie Hamilton breaks leg. Where do the Canes turn to for help?

San Jose They aren't making the playoff's, Have your choice of the garbage on D
buster29
New York Islanders
Location: London, ON
Joined: 07.03.2019

Jan 17 @ 12:43 PM ET
Until someone else scores 9 consecutive 50 goal seasons starting with their rookie campaign, I'm going to stick with Bossy. The rest of you can debate about the second best all you want.
OilyJay
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.31.2015

Jan 17 @ 12:46 PM ET
talk to me when he scores 50 goals in 50 games.
- 77emac77

39's the high water mark, right? Ovie's got to like you say reach 50 in 50 before there's any reason for a conversation.
hawk35
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NF
Joined: 08.26.2009

Jan 17 @ 12:47 PM ET
Absolutely.
matty12345
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.11.2007

Jan 17 @ 12:48 PM ET
The Great One vs. The Great Eight

Gretzky had 894G in 1487 Games. That is 0.601 GPG. He played from 1978-1979 to 1998-1999, where the average team scored between 2.63 and 4.01 GPG, for an average of 3.50 over his career.

Ovi has 689G in 1132 Games. That is 0.608 GPG. He has played since 2005-2006. During his career, the average team has scored between 2.71 and 3.08 GPG, for an average of 2.85 over his career.

Ovi scores more GPG than Gretzky, despite Gretzky playing in an era where almost 23% more goals were scored on average.

In short, yes. Ovi is #1.
jeff3201
Season Ticket Holder
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.15.2014

Jan 17 @ 12:51 PM ET
BOSSY!
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Jan 17 @ 12:55 PM ET
The Great One vs. The Great Eight

Gretzky had 894G in 1487 Games. That is 0.601 GPG. He played from 1978-1979 to 1998-1999, where the average team scored between 2.63 and 4.01 GPG, for an average of 3.50 over his career.

Ovi has 689G in 1132 Games. That is 0.608 GPG. He has played since 2005-2006. During his career, the average team has scored between 2.71 and 3.08 GPG, for an average of 2.85 over his career.

Ovi scores more GPG than Gretzky, despite Gretzky playing in an era where almost 23% more goals were scored on average.

In short, yes. Ovi is #1.

- matty12345


Mike Bossy's ratio on that same metric is .7619 GPG.
HarvP
Colorado Avalanche
Location: CT
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jan 17 @ 12:57 PM ET
Best goal scorer post-lockout. Can't really judge until he is done playing. Part of what has made him great is his seemingly indestructible nature.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 17 @ 12:58 PM ET
Mike Bossy's ratio on that same metric is .7619 GPG.
- Bartacus



Longevity has to count for something. Bossy didn't even reach 800 games played.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 17 @ 12:59 PM ET
Eklund: Buzz Debate: The Greatest Goal Scorer EVER? Buzz@1
- Eklund

Bossy

you could make a case for Mario

https://www.quanthockey.c...als-per-game-leaders.html
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 17 @ 12:59 PM ET
Go back to the inaugural days of the NHL and look up Joe Malone, his numbers were insane.

Ovi is certainly up there. Mike Bossy needs to be in the conversation though. Before his back issues derailed his career, he was the best pure sniper that I ever saw.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 17 @ 12:59 PM ET
Longevity has to count for something. Bossy didn't even reach 800 games played.
- BINGO!

if bossy was playing today, they could have fixed his back

just like orr's knees


you are better then this
matty12345
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.11.2007

Jan 17 @ 1:00 PM ET
Mike Bossy's ratio on that same metric is .7619 GPG.
- Bartacus


If you account for average goals per game, Mike Bossy is at 0.762 GPG, while Ovie in the same era would be at 0.798. AND Bossy only played ten seasons, Ovie is scoring faster (adjusted) for longer.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 17 @ 1:02 PM ET
if bossy was playing today, they could have fixed his back

just like orr's knees


you are better then this

- homiedclown


i'm not.

(frank) mike bossy and the Islanders.

And Bobby Orr.
HarvP
Colorado Avalanche
Location: CT
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jan 17 @ 1:03 PM ET
Everyone likes ot throw out the different eras as a case for why Ovi is the best, but they ignore the fact that he played his entire career where 2 line passes were legal. Anyone who watches Ovi knows that he takes full advantage of that. How many goals is that rule change worth I have no idea, but it has definitely helped him out, especially in his earlier no defense at all days.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jan 17 @ 1:03 PM ET
Nobody brings up the insanity that is Short Handed Goals in the majority of leading goal scorers pre-90's.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 17 @ 1:04 PM ET
Everyone likes ot throw out the different eras as a case for why Ovi is the best, but they ignore the fact that he played his entire career where 2 line passes were legal. Anyone who watches Ovi knows that he takes full advantage of that. How many goals is that rule change worth I have no idea, but it has definitely helped him out, especially in his earlier no defense at all days.
- HarvP


i guarantee that the two line pass has not accounted for as many goals as having goaltenders barely capable of making a save did.
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