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Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: Q: What won’t you tolerate? A: Laziness, ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Feb 12 @ 11:40 AM ET
I didn't see it as a complaint about them spending money, just recognizing the Jets had serious salary cap challenges and Rangers paid a huge premium on Trouba. Most here don't see him as an 8m defenseman.
- 2.0


That's certainly fair. I don't think he's quite an $8M D man either. But, much of what he brings each game was exactly what NYR were lacking. I also don't think they overpaid by as much as a million/year. While that is still somewhat a mismanagement of funds, it's not a deal-breaker to me.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Feb 12 @ 11:54 AM ET
this entire blog was about the Rangers
- jimbro83


Narcissist
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Feb 12 @ 12:27 PM ET
Trouba and his agent forced Chevy’s hand. I think Chevy did the best he could under the circumstances.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Feb 12 @ 12:31 PM ET
current cap hits:

NY Rangers: $78,553,079

Winnipeg Jets: $76,812,626


WOW WHAT A DIFFERENCE

- jimbro83


Just wait until Shatts 6M Cap hit kicks in next season.... Look your Rags did a great job recruiting Pans, but Trouba was a huge mistake for your team. Prior to the trade, you had DeAngelo/Pionk/Shatts/Fox occupying your RD. That is pretty good, with Skjei/Stall/Lindgren rounding off a weak LD, it simply didn't make sense to target trouba. Now Trouba, and Shatts buyout combine for a 14M cap hit next season, while both shatts and pionk are out producing Trouba....... With DeAngelo being a RFA after this season, on pace for a 63 point season, I would be worried what this RD is going to cost you next season! I think he needs to be moved, at least Fox has 2 more cheap seasons, as you'll need it.

Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: Q: What won’t you tolerate? A: Laziness, ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Feb 12 @ 12:47 PM ET
Just wait until Shatts 6M Cap hit kicks in next season.... Look your Rags did a great job recruiting Pans, but Trouba was a huge mistake for your team. Prior to the trade, you had DeAngelo/Pionk/Shatts/Fox occupying your RD. That is pretty good, with Skjei/Stall/Lindgren rounding off a weak LD, it simply didn't make sense to target trouba. Now Trouba, and Shatts buyout combine for a 14M cap hit next season, while both shatts and pionk are out producing Trouba....... With DeAngelo being a RFA after this season, on pace for a 63 point season, I would be worried what this RD is going to cost you next season! I think he needs to be moved, at least Fox has 2 more cheap seasons, as you'll need it.
- bikeguy99


You really enjoy pointing out these same facts repeatedly.
One more fact is that one year ago a right side of DeAngelo/Pionk/Shatty/Fox was virtually nothing but question marks. Had they known that DeAngelo was about to smarten up, grow up and be a monster on the ice, that Pionk would play better than ever by far, and that Fox would be a bonafide stud, then yes, you are probably right. They should not and most likely would not have made that trade.
Next year's cap hell is real, no doubt. But, I much prefer having Trouba to Shatty. He simply never earned his contract in New York. Good for him for rebounding the way he has.
nyrangers2
Joined: 07.09.2009

Feb 12 @ 12:49 PM ET
Just wait until Shatts 6M Cap hit kicks in next season.... Look your Rags did a great job recruiting Pans, but Trouba was a huge mistake for your team. Prior to the trade, you had DeAngelo/Pionk/Shatts/Fox occupying your RD. That is pretty good, with Skjei/Stall/Lindgren rounding off a weak LD, it simply didn't make sense to target trouba. Now Trouba, and Shatts buyout combine for a 14M cap hit next season, while both shatts and pionk are out producing Trouba....... With DeAngelo being a RFA after this season, on pace for a 63 point season, I would be worried what this RD is going to cost you next season! I think he needs to be moved, at least Fox has 2 more cheap seasons, as you'll need it.
- bikeguy99


Trouba doesn't play PP or have the ozone starts those two have. Rangers will literally have no issues with the cap with hank coming off the books in 2021. They probably buyout staal/smith this offseason if one is not traded. Plus skjei will most likely be moved.
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Feb 12 @ 12:49 PM ET
Is there a path to recovering some value from the Byfuglien situation by recognizing that the ankle as a hockey injury and then putting his contract on LTIR or trading his contract to a big money franchise for use against the cap? similar to Toronto strategy?
- 2.0



Not related to this, but Paul Maurice contract extension to be announced this afternoon
CharlieDog
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Feb 12 @ 12:53 PM ET
Lowry for Puljujarvi ? . I'd do that. Anyone else ?
- jetsnation


Any particular reason that you are proposing this? With the Jets being a bit short at C, just wondering your rationale?
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: Q: What won’t you tolerate? A: Laziness, ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Feb 12 @ 1:03 PM ET
Not related to this, but Paul Maurice contract extension to be announced this afternoon
- grahamzky


How do you guys feel about this?
Just curious because I've always really liked Maurice. But, since he's never coached my team it's easy to feel that way.
CharlieDog
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Feb 12 @ 1:12 PM ET
Here is a link to a hockey stick factory in China being shutdown to control coronavirus.

I think JN was speaking about this a few blogs ago.

Apparently it only affects custom made sticks and there is inventory available but could start to affect the inventory if the closure continues. Off the shelf sticks not affected as the suppliers have lots of inventory.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/...ers/ar-BBZTvoS?ocid=ientp
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Feb 12 @ 2:18 PM ET
Not related to this, but Paul Maurice contract extension to be announced this afternoon
- grahamzky


Great. When will results actually matter to this organization?
2.0
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Feb 12 @ 2:56 PM ET
How do you guys feel about this?
Just curious because I've always really liked Maurice. But, since he's never coached my team it's easy to feel that way.

- Tonybere


He is polarizing.

Some say lack of players development, others say wheeler, shifele, Connor, Morrissey, trouba, and others. Some see winningest, others see losingest.

It is frustrating when the PP doubles down on status quo regardless of results and Ehlers Little Laine line was abysmal for two years.

Yet the team is competitive. What we don’t know are the development areas he is challenging players in and how they are responding internally. Is he choosing favorites or the best players who are showing willingness to grow their game?

Don’t get us started, it can turn into all out war here.... and all the other people JUST DONT LISTEN!!!!
CharlieDog
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Feb 12 @ 3:09 PM ET
Great. When will results actually matter to this organization?
- BWJumper


264-186-53 as the Jets HC (Wpg Sun)
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Feb 12 @ 3:19 PM ET
264-186-53 as the Jets HC (Wpg Sun)
- CharlieDog


You realize the number 53 are still losses

2015 - 5th in division 1st round exit
2016 - 7th out of playoffs
2017 - 5th out of playoffs
2018 - 2nd conference finals
2019 - 2nd 1st round exit
2020 - 4th ?
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

Feb 12 @ 4:04 PM ET
With Maurice being extended here’s what we can expect,

-Shiefele will never be called out for not back checking or lazy play
-connor will never be called out for team worst zone exits and horrible defensive play
-Ehlers will never play top line or top pp
-wheeler will continue to be the other teams best penalty killer against our pp as he holds the puck and does nothing
-systems will never be changed and injuries and personal will continue to be excuses for poor play
-pk will continue to be leagues worst
-vets will never be blammed or held accountable, blame will always goto kids
-assistant coaches who have done nothing will go nowhere

Bright future we have
CharlieDog
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Feb 12 @ 4:13 PM ET
With Maurice being extended here’s what we can expect,

-Shiefele will never be called out for not back checking or lazy play
-connor will never be called out for team worst zone exits and horrible defensive play
-Ehlers will never play top line or top pp
-wheeler will continue to be the other teams best penalty killer against our pp as he holds the puck and does nothing
-systems will never be changed and injuries and personal will continue to be excuses for poor play
-pk will continue to be leagues worst
-vets will never be blammed or held accountable, blame will always goto kids
-assistant coaches who have done nothing will go nowhere?

- Ross77

This is one area I am wondering about. What does their contracts look like and for how long? Is there accountability issues in these two asst coach areas that can or should be evaluated that could possibly resolve some of the areas you identified.
CharlieDog
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Feb 12 @ 4:18 PM ET
With Maurice being extended here’s what we can expect,

-Shiefele will never be called out for not back checking or lazy play
-connor will never be called out for team worst zone exits and horrible defensive play
-Ehlers will never play top line or top pp
-wheeler will continue to be the other teams best penalty killer against our pp as he holds the puck and does nothing
-systems will never be changed and injuries and personal will continue to be excuses for poor play
-pk will continue to be leagues worst
-vets will never be blammed or held accountable, blame will always goto kids
-assistant coaches who have done nothing will go nowhere

Bright future we have

- Ross77

This is one area I am wondering about. What does their contracts look like and for how long? Is there accountability issues in these two asst coach areas that can or should be evaluated that could possibly resolve some of the areas you identified?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Feb 12 @ 5:33 PM ET
With Maurice being extended here’s what we can expect,

-Shiefele will never be called out for not back checking or lazy play
-connor will never be called out for team worst zone exits and horrible defensive play
-Ehlers will never play top line or top pp
-wheeler will continue to be the other teams best penalty killer against our pp as he holds the puck and does nothing
-systems will never be changed and injuries and personal will continue to be excuses for poor play
-pk will continue to be leagues worst
-vets will never be blammed or held accountable, blame will always goto kids
-assistant coaches who have done nothing will go nowhere

Bright future we have

- Ross77


Yesterday you said he was responsible for Laine's excellent development! What made you change your mind about Maurice?
CharlieDog
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Feb 12 @ 6:51 PM ET
You realize the number 53 are still losses

2015 - 5th in division 1st round exit
2016 - 7th out of playoffs
2017 - 5th out of playoffs
2018 - 2nd conference finals
2019 - 2nd 1st round exit
2020 - 4th ?

- BWJumper


3 times in 5 years, 60% playoff appearances, this year TBD

2015 has nothing to do with questionable coaching either. Pavelic turned in a .891 playoff average after having the best year (2014/2015) of his career at .920. His career average btw was .907 and couldn't even maintain that crappy stat in the playoffs. .891 ain't taking your team anywhere.

I will make mention that Buf just came from injury for the playoffs I beleive and Trouba was playing with a broken bone in his hand in 2015, but Pavelic didn't even give them a chance as he simply wasn't good enough. And, Enstrom came out of the series misaligned as Anaheim threw the puck to his corner and hammered the crap out of him, and ppl said he wasn't tough enough.

BTW.........Helle's playoff sv% in 2017/2018 was .922 and .913 in 2018/2019. Career playoffs for Helle is .919 So, even at .922, Helle got outplayed by Fleury in 2017/2018 (.927)

So, Pavelic's subpar .891 crappy sv% in 2015 playoffs was a major contributing factor for the early exit.
Wesley Peters
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Niverville, MB
Joined: 12.05.2019

Feb 12 @ 7:03 PM ET
I beg to differ a bit on Trouba. He activates quite often into the offensive rush or from the point. He did that with the Jets and you saw it a lot in the first period last night. That being said he has been tried many times on the PP and just doesn't seem to have what it takes to quarterback a PP. I regard that as a minus vs a D who can.

Wouldn't you love to have Panarin on your team? Such a dominant player and playmaker ?

- jetsnation


Last year Trouba had 58 points, 18 on the powerplay. He seemed alright, obviously David Quinn prefers DeAngelo, but only the price has me picking Pionk over him.

Yes, Panarin can play on my team.
Wesley Peters
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Niverville, MB
Joined: 12.05.2019

Feb 12 @ 7:07 PM ET
Relax Wes the jets aren’t a playoff team either! An off night! LOL this blog is dripping salt! You got a very good player in pionk but he’s no Trouba take your jets glasses off and just live with it. Trouba was not re signing so all in all jets made out pretty well! Geez stop whining!
- Bobd62


I don't think anybody had the Jets as anything more than a bubble team at the start of the season, including myself. So, I can't think of what I could be stressing over.

Umm, my article literally states "Let’s get one thing out of the way here, Trouba is the better player." What glasses are you looking through?
Wesley Peters
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Niverville, MB
Joined: 12.05.2019

Feb 12 @ 7:12 PM ET
Lot of salt in this blog. Panarin potential mvp. Don’t be mad nobody gives a (frank) to live in the -30 degree peg.

Shesty only left the ice bc he had to from the spotters. Different game if jets are healthy but rangers are young team on the rise rebuilding the right way

- nyrangers2


You came for something sweet? Certainly he is a potential MVP, having 25 more points than the next Ranger will do that.

What makes you think I'm angry. I love my city, and its occupants. You don't have to though.
Wesley Peters
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Niverville, MB
Joined: 12.05.2019

Feb 12 @ 7:17 PM ET
Wow. I don't like jumping in with an argumentative comment (ok, maybe I do), but you come off as really juvenile regarding Shesterkin. How did you not see any of the visual evidence that it was his knee that was banged up as the Jets player landed on it?
That would be why his reaction didn't match your idea of how one should behave when concussed. Also, why he was pissed the stupid Concussion Spotter made him leave the game for a non-head "injury."
I guess I can see your disappointment. If not for Shesty, the Jets probably win that game. But, I thought your top players could have been a little better and that also makes a big difference. I didn't hear Scheifele's name more than once before the game was well in hand for NY. And Laine seems to be a one-trick pony since his amazing rookie season. God, I'd love to have Ehlers, Copp and Connor on our team, though!

- Tonybere


This is a blog, man. It's for fun. If you can't have any, stick to the news.

Agreed, Shesty did a great job, but if you think Laine is a one-trick pony, you haven't watched many Jets games this year.
Wesley Peters
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Niverville, MB
Joined: 12.05.2019

Feb 12 @ 7:21 PM ET
"It took awhile, but after the concussion spotter was finished eating his pizza and cheeseburger, he made his way onto the ice and forced Shesterkin to go work on his acting for a bit. Good thing they have the King to backup"

If your'e going to make up poop, don't embarrass yourself in the process. The guy on the ice was the NYR trainer. The NHL concussion spotters are independent medical staff, not on-ice officials. The spotter communicated with the bench after he finished eating his pizza.

- dashripdot


I'm glad that pizza didn't go to waste. Any word on the burger?
islansjet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 03.13.2017

Feb 12 @ 7:23 PM ET
Hopefully now that Maurice has multiple years he can now develop;
a real defensive system, any defensive system that doesn't give up 35+ shots a game
an unpredictable breakout and power play
corrects questionable line combinations
stop playing old useless players ahead of more skilled faster players because they are good in the room
promote some of their draft and develop kids instead of playing waiver wire pickups
a lack of faith or outright fear in playing young players. Chevy have fun signing Samberg now
understanding he has some worthless assistant coaches
an ability to adapt to game situations when what the team is doing isn't working
Other than these points Maurice has nothing to improve on. Did I miss anything?
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