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JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 13 @ 9:06 PM ET
this... and mileage... Doughty is 30 or 31 at this point... best years are behind him.

1.5Million retained isn't enough for it to make sense.... certainly not in 2-3 years time.

no thanks... he's past his best before date

- BorjeFan4Ever


So Tavares is finished too? Best years behind him? Tavares at 11 AAV when he's 34/35 makes sense?

Elite defensemen play at a high level into their mid 30s and beyond all the time. Niedermayer, Chara, Pronger, Lidstrom; there's a lot of examples.
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Feb 13 @ 9:07 PM ET
Remember when Andersen would make big saves like that?
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Feb 13 @ 9:07 PM ET
At least Florida is going to lose...
- Steven_Seagull

Yea, Dyke back on a hot streak
harps43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 04.14.2018

Feb 13 @ 9:08 PM ET
So much stick work in this game that goes uncalled by the Stars and the leafs have two phantom stick infractons called against them
Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Feb 13 @ 9:08 PM ET
2 on 0. Yikes. Good job Andersen, we needed that one.
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 13 @ 9:08 PM ET
Remember when Andersen would make big saves like that?
- gravyface


He just made a big save on a break.

Leafs always play to win 4-3 or 5-4 so he did his job so far. If Leafs are going to outscore everybody to win games, they should start scoring more than 1 goal.
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Feb 13 @ 9:08 PM ET
Notice how they are all going 5 hole on Andersen, book is out
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 13 @ 9:09 PM ET
Net off, how (frank)ing convenient.

They need to start reviewing that poop too.

Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Feb 13 @ 9:10 PM ET
Matthews line is looking pretty good.
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Feb 13 @ 9:10 PM ET
Notice how they are all going 5 hole on Andersen, book is out
- Archaic



Impossible. These kids don’t read books anymore.
plantheparade
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Hyman MVP
Joined: 07.04.2018

Feb 13 @ 9:11 PM ET
Matthews line is looking pretty good.
- Thecakeisalie

3 of the team's 4 best forwards.
Tavares drew the short straw.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 13 @ 9:11 PM ET
So Tavares is finished too? Best years behind him? Tavares at 11 AAV when he's 34/35 makes sense?

Elite defensemen play at a high level into their mid 30s and beyond all the time. Niedermayer, Chara, Pronger, Lidstrom; there's a lot of examples.

- JohnFergusonJr


sorry - your examples don't hold water. None of those great players played in this more wide open era, with the speed being what it is now. Chara, only survives as a defensive option because of his size - and because he gets away of crap that no one else does - especially in the playoffs.

Niedermayer might have lasted because of his elite elite skating - but he retired age 36-37 in 09-10. So no that doesn't fly.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 13 @ 9:12 PM ET
But Dallas is so boring with their 5 man trap.
- Landsbergfan


Wank away
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 13 @ 9:12 PM ET
3 of the team's 4 best forwards.
Tavares drew the short straw.

- plantheparade


exactly... 3 of 4 of the best forwards Matthews, Marner and Hyman
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 13 @ 9:13 PM ET
3 of the team's 4 best forwards.
Tavares drew the short straw.

- plantheparade


Except Hyman can’t make a pass or handle the puck tonight it seems
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 13 @ 9:13 PM ET
sorry - your examples don't hold water. None of those great players played in this more wide open era, with the speed being what it is now. Chara, only survives as a defensive option because of his size - and because he gets away of crap that no one else does - especially in the playoffs.

Niedermayer might have lasted because of his elite elite skating - but he retired age 36-37 in 09-10. So no that doesn't fly.

- BorjeFan4Ever


Sorry but your criticism holds no water. Doughty can skate just fine to keep up with the speed. He's never had problems skating. Neither did Coffey or Bourque or any other elite level offensive D in their mid 30s and even 40s.

The only problem with Doughty's game is that he's stuck playing on the 2nd worst team in the league. He's twice the player Kessel was but remember what Kessel looked like in Toronto compared to how he looked in Pittsburgh?

senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 13 @ 9:14 PM ET
Hey. At least the leafs are winning the stats battle.

Except the score one.
Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Feb 13 @ 9:14 PM ET
3 of the team's 4 best forwards.
Tavares drew the short straw.

- plantheparade


Lol, Hyman isn't better than Willy, Max, despite your obsession.

He's a different type of player that is more effective on that line with Matthews and Mitch, while Tavares needs someone like Nylander on his line to create plays with.
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Feb 13 @ 9:14 PM ET
Notice how they are all going 5 hole on Andersen, book is out
- Archaic


High blocker too.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 13 @ 9:14 PM ET
Hey. At least the leafs are winning the stats battle.

Except the score one.

- senstroll


Phewww
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 13 @ 9:17 PM ET
I witnessed 88 actually drive to the front...or at least try.

Whoop whoop
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 13 @ 9:17 PM ET
High blocker too.
- gravyface


Damn. Teams have figured out to shoot the puck at places in the net where the goalie isn't
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 13 @ 9:18 PM ET
Leafs pressing. Getting chances. Outshooting.

This is Dallas playing elite defensive hockey
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 13 @ 9:19 PM ET
Sorry but your criticism holds no water. Doughty can skate just fine to keep up with the speed. He's never had problems skating. Neither did Coffey or Bourque or any other elite level offensive D in their mid 30s and even 40s.

The only problem with Doughty's game is that he's stuck playing on the 2nd worst team in the league. He's twice the player Kessel was but remember what Kessel looked like in Toronto compared to how he looked in Pittsburgh?

- JohnFergusonJr


so you're argument is that a to elite skaters who played in the 80s and 90s .. are good examples in today's game.

well to each his own.

Doughty's best before date is not a date with 202x in it.

certainly part of the downturn in LA is because their best players are getting older - or is that not possible.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AUSTON MATTHEWS IS A LEAF
Joined: 03.03.2016

Feb 13 @ 9:19 PM ET
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