BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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Doesnt that just prove the point that it is rare? You listed 7 goalies over the course of 49 years which is 1.4% - xShoot4WarAmpsx
Rookie goalies have led their teams to 4 of the last 14 cups (forgot Murray in 2016). That’s 28.6%, hardly rare. |
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BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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what up BiggE - wcorvette
All good, how’s things with you? |
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Yosimar89
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Location: Las Vegas, NV Joined: 05.11.2010
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Remember when certain people had all their panties in a bunch when Coach Q decided to go to Florida?
Good times. |
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xShoot4WarAmpsx
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Location: Hamilton, ON Joined: 06.25.2010
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Rookie goalies have led their teams to 4 of the last 14 cups (forgot Murray in 2016). That’s 28.6%, hardly rare. - BiggE
I dunno, just saying I think it will do Hart a lot of good to start Game 2 and on. I know he has been rock solid but we have seen how he can be especially on the road. |
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wcorvette
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Location: Boynton Beach, FL Joined: 10.03.2010
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All good, how’s things with you? - BiggE
living the dream, you still hitting the 6 strings in North Florida?
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Have not heard any Braun bashing lately - his +/- has improved dramatically |
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arichardson22
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Location: Philly, PA Joined: 06.10.2013
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Have not heard any Braun bashing lately - his +/- has improved dramatically - Bayareaflyer
Hard to bash a guy who has more points than PK Subban |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Hard to bash a guy who has more points than PK Subban - arichardson22
He's slotted more appropriately as a #5, that's probably why. |
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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I dunno, just saying I think it will do Hart a lot of good to start Game 2 and on. I know he has been rock solid but we have seen how he can be especially on the road. - xShoot4WarAmpsx
His road SV% (.928) was actually quite a bit higher than his home (.912) last season, so it's not like this season's split is due to some inherent weakness they have to manage around.
Goaltending is witchcraft. Plain and simple. |
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Hextall271
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Location: Hart-Land, NB Joined: 01.18.2007
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your absolute lean on stats over the eye test is amazing. Save % or expected save % is great but when a goalie comes up with a save at the right time of the game and the team responds that is more important, in my opinion. Elliot has done a solid job for a backup.
Taylor Hall will get paid based upon how he performed, that will include his impact on the teams he played for. If he played for inferior teams he will make that case but comparing Hall as a FA and a back up goalie, hmm
A goalie is a little different, ya think? Goalies have more to do with wins and loses than anyone on the ice.
Use whatever stats you like, a back up goalie with a 14-7-4 record, I think there is probably 30 other teams would take that. - wcorvette
Hhof member grant fuhr used to have average stats but was known for making key saves at critical times. If you relied only on stats and never watched him, you’d be puzzled how he won so many games and cups. Watching him play you saw the momentum saves he made etc.. Stats matter, but don’t tell t he whole story, especially for a tender.
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Hextall271
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Location: Hart-Land, NB Joined: 01.18.2007
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I dunno, just saying I think it will do Hart a lot of good to start Game 2 and on. I know he has been rock solid but we have seen how he can be especially on the road. - xShoot4WarAmpsx
You make interesting points, but I’m focussed on The big picture. Hart is the future and if we make it, the playoffs and everything they bring are part of him growing into the stud goalie I think he’ll be. I don’t think we’re a legit contender this year so you want to give him the opportunity to grow even if there’s pains. |
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BiggE
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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living the dream, you still hitting the 6 strings in North Florida? - wcorvette
Yup, life is good. Chilling down in Cape Coral but heading back home tomorrow. |
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wcorvette
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Location: Boynton Beach, FL Joined: 10.03.2010
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Yup, life is good. Chilling down in Cape Coral but heading back home tomorrow. - BiggE
keep rocking daddio |
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Hhof member grant fuhr used to have average stats but was known for making key saves at critical times. If you relied only on stats and never watched him, you’d be puzzled how he won so many games and cups. Watching him play you saw the momentum saves he made etc.. Stats matter, but don’t tell t he whole story, especially for a tender. - Hextall271
I don't believe you can judge goalies purely on stats, but this myth of the "key stop" is also fallible. It just comes to what's stuck around in your personal memory banks.
I have a sense that Elliott's made a lot of key stops over the years. But I also have the sense that he's let in quite a few preventable goals, too. None of that is remembered with a high degree of precision, so it's pretty unreliable. |
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Doc_Sarcasm
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Location: Should of studied Geometry Joined: 04.28.2013
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I don't believe you can judge goalies purely on stats, but this myth of the "key stop" is also fallible. It just comes to what's stuck around in your personal memory banks.
I have a sense that Elliott's made a lot of key stops over the years. But I also have the sense that he's let in quite a few preventable goals, too. None of that is remembered with a high degree of precision, so it's pretty unreliable. - Tomahawk
I've always felt that Elliott was prone to giving up one weak goal a game. Thats a feeling, mind you.. totally unverifiable, and probably unjustified. But, I've never felt comfortable with him in net. I'm always waiting for the next soft goal (or worse, injury!).
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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That's not even a question. Hart is far better than Elliott.
Fletcher should be looking at ways to get a better backup goalie before the deadline. - Feanor
I completely disagree with that. I have no issues with Elliott as the backup.
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Elliott's below average goaltending cost the team at least a point just three days ago. - Feanor
Anyone who blames Elliot for that goal is wrong. Pulock's shot was unstoppable. |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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He played fine. Had two bad shifts in two games. - bmeltzer
I don't agree Bill. I see it the other way. He made a couple of good plays with the puck but that was about it. He was not aggressive and not engaged in the play. He was weak on the puck.
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You make interesting points, but I’m focussed on The big picture. Hart is the future and if we make it, the playoffs and everything they bring are part of him growing into the stud goalie I think he’ll be. I don’t think we’re a legit contender this year so you want to give him the opportunity to grow even if there’s pains. - Hextall271
Anything can happen in the playoffs, as long as he is healthy you start Hart. He is the present and future. I am happy with the Flyers goaltender depth and see no reason to add.
I hope Elliott plays tomorrow and Hart plays both Columbus games.
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KINGKENZO
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Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people Joined: 01.10.2008
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You asked me if I watched the games, but you didn't even watch the games from this week. Or you're so deep in denial you can't admit that Elliott had to get a piece of Pulock's shot.
I wonder if there are Buffalo fans telling themselves Carter Hutton is having a good season. - Feanor
you got it, tiger |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Anything can happen in the playoffs, as long as he is healthy you start Hart. He is the present and future. I am happy with the Flyers goaltender depth and see no reason to add.
I hope Elliott plays tomorrow and Hart plays both Columbus games. - NC Flyers Fan
Whoever is playing better at the time should get the start. It's really not any more complicated than that. If the PO's started today, Hart should get the start. But things can change in a hurry. No reason to make up our minds one way or the other with 20-something game to go and the Flyers PO chances basically a coin flip. |
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KINGKENZO
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Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people Joined: 01.10.2008
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As opposed to the $5M guy, who's 8 spots below Elliott in GSAx, that Toronto kept? Man, that Holtby guy must suck, too, he's 10 spots below sucky Elliott. And who's this loser Marc-Andre Fleury who's a whopping 13 spots behind terrible Elliott.
I guess Holtby, Fleury, and Anderson should all have been waived as well based on the GSAx link you just provided. Overpaid losers. I also wasn't aware that James Reimer is the best goalie in the NHL. Because stats. - jmatchett383
but that eye test too, doe |
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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The level of denial in the face of clear statistical proof of the poor year Elliott is having, not just compared to other goalies but to his own previous seasons in Philly, is astonishing. - Feanor
The fatal flaw in your analysis is that you think those stats point to Elliott and Elliott alone.
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MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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I never said he didnt. I said he never started. What I am arguing is Hart should sit for the first game and just the first game to take in the atmosphere which is similar to Murray. Any playoff win is a significant role. Hart could be fine and I could be worrying to much but the playoffs are completely different then the regular season and starting off on the road against a team like WSH or BOS is gonna be tough and unforgiving. - xShoot4WarAmpsx
That premise is ridiculous. The only atmosphere Hart should be taking in is the atmosphere on the ice. |
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HeeroYuy
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Location: Ligma, IL Joined: 04.15.2017
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I've always felt that Elliott was prone to giving up one weak goal a game. Thats a feeling, mind you.. totally unverifiable, and probably unjustified. But, I've never felt comfortable with him in net. I'm always waiting for the next soft goal (or worse, injury!). - Doc_Sarcasm
I feel the same way. It's weird af, he will make some crazy as saves one second and then 5 minutes later let in a soft-serve momentum changer. Super frustrating, but overall he has been decent. |
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