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Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Feb 14 @ 1:06 PM ET
Remember when certain people had all their panties in a bunch when Coach Q decided to go to Florida?

Good times.

- Yosimar89

I still think he would have been really good here. I wasn’t initially in love with the AV hiring. But, I do think this team needed a veteran, proven coach, that commands respect.

I am very happy with AV and impressed with the way he’s pushed buttons. The defensive turn around he has made with Jake is something to behold. Early in the year, I felt like Jake was such a massive liability. But now he’s playing great great hockey and I’m happy they didn’t move him.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 14 @ 1:07 PM ET
Anyone who blames Elliot for that goal is wrong. Pulock's shot was unstoppable.
- MJL


Tell that to Bill Meltzer if you see him around somewhere.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 14 @ 1:08 PM ET
The fatal flaw in your analysis is that you think those stats point to Elliott and Elliott alone.
- MJL


Oh, so you're claiming the team defense is actually worse this year than it was in 17-18 and 18-19 when Elliott had better numbers, particularly at 5on5.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 14 @ 1:09 PM ET
I never said he didnt. I said he never started. What I am arguing is Hart should sit for the first game and just the first game to take in the atmosphere which is similar to Murray. Any playoff win is a significant role. Hart could be fine and I could be worrying to much but the playoffs are completely different then the regular season and starting off on the road against a team like WSH or BOS is gonna be tough and unforgiving.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Okay then. The Pens started a rookie Zatkoff in game 1 and he won. Still started a rookie. Murray didn't "take in the atmosphere," he was injured. As soon as he was healthy, he was back in net.

The better goalie should be in net to start. As several people have said, there are loads of success stories for rookies. Maybe he'll falter, maybe he won't. Only way to find out is by playing him. Otherwise, you're intentionally starting a goalie who has not played as well for game 1 of a playoff series.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 14 @ 1:13 PM ET
but that eye test too, doe
- KINGKENZO


That's funny since you have offered nothing except an opinion based on your eye test.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Feb 14 @ 1:19 PM ET
Tell that to Bill Meltzer if you see him around somewhere.
- Feanor

I actually wanted to ask him if he thought he should have had it. I think Bill meant it more hopefully then literally (although I don’t presume to know what Bill was thinking). It was an unbelievable shot. I thought JVR should have got there, but it’s hockey. poop happens.

I’m not sure Elliott realized it was Pulock or knew Pulock has such a big shot, because by the time he reacted, it was already back out of the net.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 14 @ 1:30 PM ET
So if the playoffs start today, Flyers play Boston. Put your coaching hat on. Game 1. In Boston. Which goalie gets the nod to start?
- Pelle31Forever

Only Hart
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 14 @ 1:40 PM ET
Sanheim is on the ice
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 14 @ 1:49 PM ET
good article on York...


https://www.nhl.com/news/...ork-on-campus/c-315009562
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Feb 14 @ 1:56 PM ET
Sanheim is on the ice
- wcorvette



Best news of the day.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 2:07 PM ET
Tell that to Bill Meltzer if you see him around somewhere.
- Feanor



I did.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 2:09 PM ET
Oh, so you're claiming the team defense is actually worse this year than it was in 17-18 and 18-19 when Elliott had better numbers, particularly at 5on5.
- Feanor



You have to look at a lot of factors. I do agree that there are times when Elliott lets in goals on shots where a save should be made but there are also times where he has kept the team in games where they've been terribly outplayed. Most games he plays well enough to give the team a solid chance to win. That's all you can ask of a backup. Stats only give part of the picture and should neve be used as the main basis for individual player evaluation.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 2:14 PM ET
I actually wanted to ask him if he thought he should have had it. I think Bill meant it more hopefully then literally (although I don’t presume to know what Bill was thinking). It was an unbelievable shot. I thought JVR should have got there, but it’s hockey. poop happens.

I’m not sure Elliott realized it was Pulock or knew Pulock has such a big shot, because by the time he reacted, it was already back out of the net.

- Flyers1218


Pitlick turned his back on his check off of the wall, Eberle, and went to the far post watching the puck. Eberle in turn went to the near post uncovered which caused JVR to have to play half way between the point and Eberle to protect against the cross ice pass. Elliott also had to respect the cross ice goal mouth pass. This left a wide open passing lane back to Pulock. JVR couldn't get back out fast enough and also partially screened Elliott. Elliott pushed out to the top of the crease and did what any goalie would've done in that situation. Play the percentage and go into the butterfly to take away as much as the net as possible. It was clear due to the partial screen and the pace of the shot that Elliott didn't see it. It was a laze perfectly placed in the top corner of the net. Stating that Elliott should've gotten a piece of it is just wishful thinking and really not fair. It was not a saveable shot when all factors are considered in my opinion.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Feb 14 @ 2:32 PM ET
That's funny since you have offered nothing except an opinion based on your eye test.
- Feanor

its so funny that youre so over top ridiculous on this that i have no desire to put forth anything
GrittySauce
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philipdelphia, PA
Joined: 08.19.2019

Feb 14 @ 2:33 PM ET
its so funny that youre so over top ridiculous on this that i have no reason to put forth anything
- KINGKENZO

Do you have any stats to back this up??
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Feb 14 @ 2:47 PM ET
Do you have any stats to back this up??
- GrittySauce

nah, theyre skewed from a couple of bad posts
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Feb 14 @ 2:57 PM ET
I did.
- MJL


The shot rocketed right over Elliott's blocker and shoulder. If not for the high screen accidentally set by JVR, Elliott would have had a much better chance at a save (still not easy). But it was not unstoppable from that distance, no matter how hard it was shot, if had been a clear-sighted shot all the way.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Feb 14 @ 3:06 PM ET
Tell that to Bill Meltzer if you see him around somewhere.
- Feanor


You haven’t realized yet that MJL is Bill’s burner account ?😉
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 3:15 PM ET
The shot rocketed right over Elliott's blocker and shoulder. If not for the high screen accidentally set by JVR, Elliott would have had a much better chance at a save (still not easy). But it was not unstoppable from that distance, no matter how hard it was shot, if had been a clear-sighted shot all the way.
- bmeltzer


With the screen, the location and pace of the shot, I dont see any goalie making that save. Pulock was near the top of the circle when he let it rip.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Feb 14 @ 3:15 PM ET
Okay then. The Pens started a rookie Zatkoff in game 1 and he won. Still started a rookie. Murray didn't "take in the atmosphere," he was injured. As soon as he was healthy, he was back in net.

The better goalie should be in net to start. As several people have said, there are loads of success stories for rookies. Maybe he'll falter, maybe he won't. Only way to find out is by playing him. Otherwise, you're intentionally starting a goalie who has not played as well for game 1 of a playoff series.

- jmatchett383


Stop finding flaws in my arguments
Thors-Hammer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bayside, NY
Joined: 08.12.2013

Feb 14 @ 3:17 PM ET
As of 3:00 PM today ( Friday 2/14 ) no hockey website has any info about Sanheim's injury. I'm hoping for the best since Sanheim stayed on the bench the whole game instead of leaving the ice for the trainers room. What will the Flyers do if Sanheim is out for the Tampa game? Since Ghost is still injured does AV bring up Friedman? I can't see AV rolling with only 5 D-men vs Tampa?
HeeroYuy
Location: Ligma, IL
Joined: 04.15.2017

Feb 14 @ 3:22 PM ET
As of 3:00 PM today ( Friday 2/14 ) no hockey website has any info about Sanheim's injury. I'm hoping for the best since Sanheim stayed on the bench the whole game instead of leaving the ice for the trainers room. What will the Flyers do if Sanheim is out for the Tampa game? Since Ghost is still injured does AV bring up Friedman? I can't see AV rolling with only 5 D-men vs Tampa?
- Thors-Hammer


Sanheim practiced in his usual spot today, I believe AV was going to give an update after practice.
Thors-Hammer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bayside, NY
Joined: 08.12.2013

Feb 14 @ 3:41 PM ET
"Sanheim practiced in his usual spot today". Thanks for the update. BTW, In regards to Elliot giving up the game winning shot vs the Islanders, I was at the game and we had seats 10 rows over Elliot's right shoulder. I thought the shot was stoppable and the Islander's fans around us thought the same thing, too. Elliot was very deep in the net, instead of going out to get a better angle. Heartbreaking loss. I would have even taken 1 point in an OT loss........
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 14 @ 3:46 PM ET
"Sanheim practiced in his usual spot today". Thanks for the update. BTW, In regards to Elliot giving up the game winning shot vs the Islanders, I was at the game and we had seats 10 rows over Elliot's right shoulder. I thought the shot was stoppable and the Islander's fans around us thought the same thing, too. Elliot was very deep in the net, instead of going out to get a better angle. Heartbreaking loss. I would have even taken 1 point in an OT loss........
- Thors-Hammer


Elliott was not deep in his net. He was at the top of the goal crease.

https://www.nhl.com/video...oal/t-312108732/c-5243179
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Feb 14 @ 3:58 PM ET
Old City, Northern Liberties, and Fishtown are safe and easy access to the El. History is right there in Old City. Not far by El from Fishtown or Northern Liberties (there's an odd strip of underdeveloped area between Girard and Vine that makes walking from there a bit sketchy).

The Market Frankford El to the Broad Street Subway (free transfer) to NRG (the Wells Fargo Center, last stop southbound) is the way to go! Will be full of fans coming and going--so safe.
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