Ben Shelley: Pageau signs extension with Islanders, Parise stays in Minnesota

Ben Shelley: Pageau signs extension with Islanders, Parise stays in Minnesota
- Ben Shelley

Arthur Staple @StapeAthletic
2m
Ladd and Clutterbuck on for extra work with Dobson.

Would think Bailey plays tonight with Pageau and Dal Colle.

so we're talking 500k to 1m of an overpay for a guy that should be a productive player that is a great fit in this system, and it plugs a long term hole for us. seems like a move that had to be made, and one that will make them much more difficult to play against.

re: parise, i think it would have been great to swap him for ladd. ladd is done, and parise, while on a bad contract, is productive. would have helped our PP immensely. would you rather have parise's contract + production or ladd's contract + production? it is a no brainer to me.

No bread man but at least you got a dinner roll!

so we're talking 500k to 1m of an overpay for a guy that should be a productive player that is a great fit in this system, and it plugs a long term hole for us. seems like a move that had to be made, and one that will make them much more difficult to play against.

re: parise, i think it would have been great to swap him for ladd. ladd is done, and parise, while on a bad contract, is productive. would have helped our PP immensely. would you rather have parise's contract + production or ladd's contract + production? it is a no brainer to me.
- slapshot018

Two important questions regarding the rumored Parise deal:

- Were the Wild going to eat part of it so it would be, essentially, an even money swap? There is about a $2M difference in their cap hits. If MIN retained about $1M, each player would essentially be getting paid $6.5M by each team (in terms of cap hits)

- What would the Islanders have to include in the deal to get MIN to take a washed up poop-heap like Ladd? Almost no chance it would be Bellows (or Wahlstrom or Holmstrom or anyone in that tier). I'm not sure how I feel about sending Aho along with Ladd. On one hand, he's pretty heavily blocked at the NHL level and MIN may want him to replace Dumba or Brodin if they decide to trade either. On the other, moving him in a deal like this seems sort of like a waste of an asset. Maybe I'm overvaluing him though. It certainly wouldn't hurt the organizational depth too bad.

Outside of those questions, Parise is an infinitely better player right now than Ladd is and being able to roll a third line that looks like Parise-Pageau-Bailey would be massive. Not sure what they do with Brassard after this season. I'm not sure Wahlstrom is ready for a top-six role and I'm not sure Trotz can trust him on a more defensive line with Pageau. Bellows could win the job out of camp, but again..that's a young guy being asked to play on an important line.

Arthur Staple @StapeAthletic
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Barry Trotz credits #Isles manager of hockey admin Joanne Holewa for getting Pageau’s visa filed in time for him to play tonight. “You know Joanne? She handled it.”

Sounds like Pageau's paperwork is good to go

Two important questions regarding the rumored Parise deal:

- Were the Wild going to eat part of it so it would be, essentially, an even money swap? There is about a $2M difference in their cap hits. If MIN retained about $1M, each player would essentially be getting paid $6.5M by each team (in terms of cap hits)

- What would the Islanders have to include in the deal to get MIN to take a washed up poop-heap like Ladd? Almost no chance it would be Bellows (or Wahlstrom or Holmstrom or anyone in that tier). I'm not sure how I feel about sending Aho along with Ladd. On one hand, he's pretty heavily blocked at the NHL level and MIN may want him to replace Dumba or Brodin if they decide to trade either. On the other, moving him in a deal like this seems sort of like a waste of an asset. Maybe I'm overvaluing him though. It certainly wouldn't hurt the organizational depth too bad.

Outside of those questions, Parise is an infinitely better player right now than Ladd is and being able to roll a third line that looks like Parise-Pageau-Bailey would be massive. Not sure what they do with Brassard after this season. I'm not sure Wahlstrom is ready for a top-six role and I'm not sure Trotz can trust him on a more defensive line with Pageau. Bellows could win the job out of camp, but again..that's a young guy being asked to play on an important line.
- eichiefs9

Aho does seem to be blocked with the Isles so I would be willing to move him in a deal. I think the Isles almost have to go with Wahlstrom next year. They really need to find out about him and he helps the Cap for sure. I think he could manage on a line with Nelson and Beau. He has less pressure not being on the 1st line with Barzal.

Andrew Gross
@AGrossNewsday
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Somber sounding Cal Clutterbuck says he’s still working through some non-physical issues as he tries to return to #Isles
. Said first game at Bridgeport was weird, couldn’t get committed to game. Second AHL game was much better for him.

Aho does seem to be blocked with the Isles so I would be willing to move him in a deal. I think the Isles almost have to go with Wahlstrom next year. They really need to find out about him and he helps the Cap for sure. I think he could manage on a line with Nelson and Beau. He has less pressure not being on the 1st line with Barzal.
- ses111

Wahlstrom hasn't exactly played so amazingly-well in BPT this year that I'm ready to hand him a 2RW spot. He's got 7 goals in 38 games and that's supposed to be his bread and butter. If anything, in terms of filling it internally, I think you could see Bellows move into that spot on the 3rd line with Pageau and Dal Colle. Could see a scenario where Koivula moves back to the wing as well.

Andrew Gross
@AGrossNewsday
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Somber sounding Cal Clutterbuck says he’s still working through some non-physical issues as he tries to return to #Isles
. Said first game at Bridgeport was weird, couldn’t get committed to game. Second AHL game was much better for him.
- UIF

Andrew Gross @AGrossNewsday
4m
Clutterbuck says physically left wrist recovery not an issue after being slashed by skate blade on Dec. 19. Has to work through some issues mentally after such a scary incident.

Wahlstrom hasn't exactly played so amazingly-well in BPT this year that I'm ready to hand him a 2RW spot. He's got 7 goals in 38 games and that's supposed to be his bread and butter. If anything, in terms of filling it internally, I think you could see Bellows move into that spot on the 3rd line with Pageau and Dal Colle. Could see a scenario where Koivula moves back to the wing as well.
- eichiefs9

We have to start asking why are these talented forwards we drafted putting up lousy numbers in Bridge? I'm going to trust Wahlstrom being around Barry and his coaches over Thompson and his coaches. I get the need for these players learning defense but you cannot take all the offensive talent out of them.

We have to start asking why are these talented forwards we drafted putting up lousy numbers in Bridge? I'm going to trust Wahlstrom being around Barry and his coaches over Thompson and his coaches. I get the need for these players learning defense but you cannot take all the offensive talent out of them.
- ses111

Bridgeport has been a revolving door of injuries and call-ups all season long. I don't love the development of the young guys, but it can't all fall on Thompson's shoulders. Not to mention they typically have sub-par goaltending.

Bridgeport has been a revolving door of injuries and call-ups all season long. I don't love the development of the young guys, but it can't all fall on Thompson's shoulders. Not to mention they typically have sub-par goaltending.
- eichiefs9

It's always something with Bridge. Time for a new voice in Bridge already. I do not want every player turned into a 4th line grinder.

We have to start asking why are these talented forwards we drafted putting up lousy numbers in Bridge? I'm going to trust Wahlstrom being around Barry and his coaches over Thompson and his coaches. I get the need for these players learning defense but you cannot take all the offensive talent out of them.
- ses111

Bellows has certainly scored down there.

Bellows has certainly scored down there.
- nyisles7

True but it really seems to take them a good while. Same thing with MDC and he still has very little offense on the NHL level.

Two important questions regarding the rumored Parise deal:

- Were the Wild going to eat part of it so it would be, essentially, an even money swap? There is about a $2M difference in their cap hits. If MIN retained about $1M, each player would essentially be getting paid $6.5M by each team (in terms of cap hits)

- What would the Islanders have to include in the deal to get MIN to take a washed up poop-heap like Ladd? Almost no chance it would be Bellows (or Wahlstrom or Holmstrom or anyone in that tier). I'm not sure how I feel about sending Aho along with Ladd. On one hand, he's pretty heavily blocked at the NHL level and MIN may want him to replace Dumba or Brodin if they decide to trade either. On the other, moving him in a deal like this seems sort of like a waste of an asset. Maybe I'm overvaluing him though. It certainly wouldn't hurt the organizational depth too bad.

Outside of those questions, Parise is an infinitely better player right now than Ladd is and being able to roll a third line that looks like Parise-Pageau-Bailey would be massive. Not sure what they do with Brassard after this season. I'm not sure Wahlstrom is ready for a top-six role and I'm not sure Trotz can trust him on a more defensive line with Pageau. Bellows could win the job out of camp, but again..that's a young guy being asked to play on an important line.
- eichiefs9

obviously very important questions! i was under the impression that you cant manipulate cap hits? i thought it was just the average per year over the life of the contract. only actual salary #s can be changed, so i would think we are stuck with parise's cap hit and wild would get ladds as they currently stand. i may have misread this part by you.

as far as what we would need to include, i would definitely include aho. like you said, he is blocked in this organization, and ladd flat out sucks, so you have to include something to get rid of that guy. even when we had weeks of opportunities to play aho this year, he didnt get used once. if he can help us get rid of ladd, i dont see it as too much of a loss to the prospect pool.

as far as making the money work with parise and all of the RFA's - we eventually need the prospects to step up and into the line up on ELCs. its inevitably needed. there are too many guys on this roster with decent sized contracts. i think this will be key for isles success in the coming years with their roster, so hopefully bellows and wahlstrom have good offseasons and are ready to win a job.

True but it really seems to take them a good while. Same thing with MDC and he still has very little offense on the NHL level.
- ses111

I don’t think MDC would have turned into a top 6 forward no matter who drafted him really. Total bust for a 5th round draft choice but he’s found his role an is playing pretty well lately.

I think Bellows had a couple rough games as far as his play away from the puck and bad turnovers tho.

obviously very important questions! i was under the impression that you cant manipulate cap hits? i thought it was just the average per year over the life of the contract. only actual salary #s can be changed, so i would think we are stuck with parise's cap hit and wild would get ladds as they currently stand. i may have misread this part by you.

as far as what we would need to include, i would definitely include aho. like you said, he is blocked in this organization, and ladd flat out sucks, so you have to include something to get rid of that guy. even when we had weeks of opportunities to play aho this year, he didnt get used once. if he can help us get rid of ladd, i dont see it as too much of a loss to the prospect pool.

as far as making the money work with parise and all of the RFA's - we eventually need the prospects to step up and into the line up on ELCs. its inevitably needed. there are too many guys on this roster with decent sized contracts. i think this will be key for isles success in the coming years with their roster, so hopefully bellows and wahlstrom have good offseasons and are ready to win a job.
- slapshot018

You can retain up to 50% of a contract on a traded player, and that will "alter" the cap hit for the team receiving said-player.

It's what BOS just did sending Backes to ANA. They retained 25% of his contract, so BOS has a "retained salary transaction" counting against their cap of $1.5M and ANA gets Backes at $4.5M, instead of his full cap hit of $6M.

What you can't do is renegotiate contracts, like in the NFL. We can't trade for Parise and then have renegotiate his deal down to a lower number.

I don’t think MDC would have turned into a top 6 forward no matter who drafted him really. Total bust for a 5th round draft choice but he’s found his role an is playing pretty well lately.

I think Bellows had a couple rough games as far as his play away from the puck and bad turnovers tho.
- nyisles7

I just think we need to do much better in player development and we should have a better option in Bridge than Gibson in goal Bridge seems to be a constant dumpster fire. I just see other teams having much more quality in their farm systems to call on. Always seems to be some issue with players like Bellows and Wahlstrom and they are not ready yet.

I just think we need to do much better in player development and we should have a better option in Bridge than Gibson in goal. I just see other teams having much more quality in their farm systems to call on. Always seems to be some issue with players like Bellows and Wahlstrom and they are not ready yet.
- ses111

For sure but you have to remember who was running the team and drafting for the last decade. That will give you an understanding of why BP is in the shape it’s in. JT, Franz and KO left for zero assists in return. That hurts.
The Islanders team has been nurtured back to health by L, M and Lou and I guess in time they will address BP as well.

I just think we need to do much better in player development and we should have a better option in Bridge than Gibson in goal. I just see other teams having much more quality in their farm systems to call on. Always seems to be some issue with players like Bellows and Wahlstrom and they are not ready yet.
- ses111

Wahlstrom wasn't even supposed to be a pro this year. Had he gone to BC and been killing it, he probably would've stayed for two, if not three, seasons. His arrival to the pro's is really probably a year, possibly two, ahead of when the Islanders were expecting it.

For sure but you have to remember who was running the team and drafting for the last decade. That will give you an understanding of why BP is in the shape it’s in.
The Islanders team has been nurtured back to health by L, M and Lou and I guess in time they will address BP as well.
- nyisles7

Hopefully this offseason it's addressed. Isles need to be able to call on players from Bridge and the players need to be able to help. Not superstars but not with a bunch of holes in their game either.

Wahlstrom wasn't even supposed to be a pro this year. Had he gone to BC and been killing it, he probably would've stayed for two, if not three, seasons. His arrival to the pro's is really probably a year, possibly two, ahead of when the Islanders were expecting it.
- eichiefs9

I know these players take time but Wahlstrom was a high pick and I expect them to be ready sooner. I guess not.

Clutterbuck was probably very close to slashing a major artery and it messed with his head

I know these players take time but Wahlstrom was a high pick and I expect them to be ready sooner. I guess not.
- ses111

If Wahlstrom was the kind of kid that was ready to step in almost right out of the gate, he'd have been taken long before the 11th pick.