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Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 29 @ 1:39 PM ET
I may be wrong, but from talking to Sabres fans it sure seems that way.

Like, telling your employees that maintaining your personal lifestyle is equally important to winning championships maybe doesn't send the best message?

I've heard from many who say the in game experience in Buffalo has gone downhill several years in a row. That the Pegulas put a bunch of cash into the arena at the beginning and haven't done much since.

I dunno, they seem like they can't really get out of their own way most of the time and the current economic situation impacting their other businesses it's only exacerbated the situation.

- BINGO!

They have the money, they just don't spend it in the right ways on the hockey side. They got it right with there football team, but for some reason they just can't get out of there own way on the hockey side.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 29 @ 1:45 PM ET
There is no problem with teams selling off assets to reload for the future; and I don't think anyone ever has a problem with that. It's when you have a few teams trying to lose games on purpose to secure the top draft pick that it becomes a problem. How many of those teams you list intentionally lost, I don't know.

Regardless of intent, the lottery is suppose to address that. It's not suppose to be a way to award the top pick to clubs that aren't struggling.

- Queenie_5_hole


No players lose on purpose.

organizations ice bad teams on purpose.

Ottawa traded its entire team, they have 11 first and 2nd rd picks the next two years.

Toronto iced a bad team in the Matthews draft, and played goalies who have never again played in this league. Wahington did the same in the Ovechkin draft. it goes back so far.

it happens in all sports that have amateur drafts. Teams tank, it's never going to stop.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jun 29 @ 1:49 PM ET
No players lose on purpose.

organizations ice bad teams on purpose.


Ottawa traded its entire team, they have 11 first and 2nd rd picks the next two years.

Toronto iced a bad team in the Matthews draft, and played goalies who have never again played in this league. Wahington did the same in the Ovechkin draft. it goes back so far.

it happens in all sports that have amateur drafts. Teams tank, it's never going to stop.

- ImThatGuy



Yes, thank you.

It's the coaches and players' job to focus on trying to win every single game. it's up to the GM to try and plan for the future, handicapping the team if necessary for the greater good.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jun 29 @ 2:13 PM ET
No players lose on purpose.

organizations ice bad teams on purpose.

Ottawa traded its entire team, they have 11 first and 2nd rd picks the next two years.

Toronto iced a bad team in the Matthews draft, and played goalies who have never again played in this league. Wahington did the same in the Ovechkin draft. it goes back so far.

it happens in all sports that have amateur drafts. Teams tank, it's never going to stop.

- ImThatGuy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-CRnk6fH0c

You don't have to get the players to try to lose. Once you send the message that if you play too hard you won't be playing it take care of itself.
Jeremy Laura
Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 01.26.2016

Jun 29 @ 2:33 PM ET
No players lose on purpose.

organizations ice bad teams on purpose.

Ottawa traded its entire team, they have 11 first and 2nd rd picks the next two years.

Toronto iced a bad team in the Matthews draft, and played goalies who have never again played in this league. Wahington did the same in the Ovechkin draft. it goes back so far.

it happens in all sports that have amateur drafts. Teams tank, it's never going to stop.

- ImThatGuy


I appreciate how that was worded. Well done
Jeremy Laura
Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 01.26.2016

Jun 29 @ 2:35 PM ET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-CRnk6fH0c

You don't have to get the players to try to lose. Once you send the message that if you play too hard you won't be playing it take care of itself.

- Queenie_5_hole


While I disagree with your premise, well constructed and I appreciate the reference link. Gold star
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: U Jealous of my Meteor
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:41 PM ET
They have the money, they just don't spend it in the right ways on the hockey side. They got it right with there football team, but for some reason they just can't get out of there own way on the hockey side.
- Buff36

It almost seems like they are biting off more than they can chew.

Own two major-league sports teams, plus what other business ventures they are involved in, plus maintaining a busy social life.

I don't know how many other examples there are, but it seems like owning two major sports teams would be a lot for any owner, unless they are hands-off like Vinik or Illitch.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jun 29 @ 2:46 PM ET
While I disagree with your premise, well constructed and I appreciate the reference link. Gold star
- Jeremy Laura


Thanks! I think Pittsburg is a special example...
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: U Jealous of my Meteor
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:47 PM ET
That’s an interesting point. Mr Ilitch very rarely stepped in and allowed the GMs and coaches to work together. He did keep Yzerman from being traded after 1995 (grateful he did) but otherwise it was at the discretion of leadership. Mr. Pegula’s passion for the Sabres was so encouraging (he even got a bit misty eyed at his press conference) but that passion can be a detriment. It stinks, because there are always owners who don’t seem to do much of anything. That support is so crucial. Mr Vinik has done a lot of good things, and trusting his staff is one of the best moves he’s made. Well put
- Jeremy Laura


Illitch has always run a tight, classy ship and he knew to step back unless it was exceptional circumstances - like stopping the Yzerman trade. Which, for Detroit, thank god he did.

Ted Leonsis has been known to dip his toe into operations and it had mixed results over the years. Eventually the Caps shook off the curse and won the Cup, but was that due to Ted's interference or in spite of it?

Maybe Buffalo is cursed. It's not like that have Melnyk behind the wheel or something. As bad as the Buffalo situation seems at times, I would much rather have the Pegulas than Melnyk.
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: U Jealous of my Meteor
Joined: 01.29.2013

Jun 29 @ 2:48 PM ET
Doint get me started on NMC/NTC clauses.

The NHL needs to put in rules to protect the teams from being that dumb.

Players gain NMT/NTC as they accrue time.

3 years 5 team list
5 years 10 team list
10 years 15 team list

- ImThatGuy

I like this idea.
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Jun 29 @ 2:48 PM ET
Since Buffalo has cleared house, are they going to clear out some player salary as well? If so I believe if Eichel were to go then Okposo would accompany him. They could trade them for Detroit's #1 and Abby and Fabri and a 2021 2nd.
Or to Chicago for Kane and Strome. The Sabres would have to retain some salary on Okposo or include a 2nd. Or they make it Eichel and Risto.......
No one would trade this years' #1 for Eichel, because of all the cap complications.
I'll have to ponder this more,.........
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 29 @ 2:50 PM ET
Since Buffalo has cleared house, are they going to clear out some player salary as well? If so I believe if Eichel were to go then Okposo would accompany him. They could trade them for Detroit's #1 and Abby and Fabri and a 2021 2nd.
Or to Chicago for Kane and Strome. The Sabres would have to retain some salary on Okposo or include a 2nd. Or they make it Eichel and Risto.......
No one would trade this years' #1 for Eichel, because of all the cap complications.
I'll have to ponder this more,.........

- HenryHockey

I think Kevyn Adams would stroke out from laughter at your Detroit offer.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 29 @ 3:15 PM ET
I think Kevyn Adams would stroke out from laughter at your Detroit offer.
- gergeswillems


Its amazing That people make these ridiculous trade offers.

I find the best player on their team and offer them the same trade they just offered for Eichel, usually its a resounding no from that person.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 29 @ 3:39 PM ET
Its amazing That people make these ridiculous trade offers.

I find the best player on their team and offer them the same trade they just offered for Eichel, usually its a resounding no from that person.

- ImThatGuy

You can always tell with each fanbase who the expendable players are. I'll offer you my garbage and you gift me your star player. Quantity for quality.
bruceflyers
Joined: 06.16.2012

Jun 29 @ 3:58 PM ET
I’d love for chuck fletcher to make a trade with kim pegula!!!
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 29 @ 4:03 PM ET
I’d love for chuck fletcher to make a trade with kim pegula!!!
- bruceflyers

Why? Does Fletch need a facelift or some Botox done?
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 29 @ 4:06 PM ET
It almost seems like they are biting off more than they can chew.

Own two major-league sports teams, plus what other business ventures they are involved in, plus maintaining a busy social life.

I don't know how many other examples there are, but it seems like owning two major sports teams would be a lot for any owner, unless they are hands-off like Vinik or Illitch.

- GalacticStone

They need to be, they trust Beane and McDermott with there football team, I mean they just dished out over a 100mill in contracts there, only 1 of 2 teams to have all there draft pickes signed in football. But they just don't do that with there hockey team.
dcz28
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.20.2006

Jun 29 @ 4:35 PM ET
You can always tell with each fanbase who the expendable players are. I'll offer you my garbage and you gift me your star player. Quantity for quality.
- gergeswillems


Well trades for star players do often have quantity over quality in the NHL. The difference is the quantity isn't garbage teams want to dump for a bag of pucks. It's often young players or prospects/picks that have decent upside but nowhere near the star player.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 29 @ 4:38 PM ET
Well trades for star players do often have quantity over quality in the NHL. The difference is the quantity isn't garbage teams want to dump for a bag of pucks. It's often young players or prospects/picks that have decent upside but nowhere near the star player.
- dcz28

Case in point the Karlsson trade. Most thought the Sens got fleeced but it was the Sharks who ended up with egg on their face. That was a rental trade. Acquiring Eichel would cost much much more. You'd basically have to gut your franchise to have any shot of acquiring him.
mattmoulson
Buffalo Sabres
Location: WNY, NY
Joined: 06.14.2015

Jun 29 @ 5:59 PM ET
Since Buffalo has cleared house, are they going to clear out some player salary as well? If so I believe if Eichel were to go then Okposo would accompany him. They could trade them for Detroit's #1 and Abby and Fabri and a 2021 2nd.
Or to Chicago for Kane and Strome. The Sabres would have to retain some salary on Okposo or include a 2nd. Or they make it Eichel and Risto.......
No one would trade this years' #1 for Eichel, because of all the cap complications.
I'll have to ponder this more,.........

- HenryHockey


I'd rather deal Eichel to St Louis for 12 more games from Patrik Berglund
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Jun 29 @ 6:22 PM ET
I think Kevyn Adams would stroke out from laughter at your Detroit offer.
- gergeswillems

Hmm, I see.
How bout Detroit's 1st, Mantha and 2021 2nd for Eichel and Okposo....Okposo is just a salary dump.
Manthamania
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ST Clair Shores, MI
Joined: 02.14.2017

Jun 29 @ 6:27 PM ET
Teams that bank the entire rebuild on top 10 picks fail(Buffalo, Edmonton). Teams that scout well enough to get players out of the second round and beyond so they actually have depth, succeed(Chicago, Pittsburgh).
- DarthProbert



They must have found Toews, Kane, Malkin and Crosby in the later rounds????

I agree that you have to get players outside of the Top 10 but allowing competitive teams to get involved just ruins it.

Call me a homer but I’ve watched the Wings get shafted for 4 years. Time to take a page out of the NFL and if you demand a cap, along with competitive balance you have to scrap the lottery.

Bettman should get Covid for allowing that BS to go on.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 29 @ 6:28 PM ET
Hmm, I see.
How bout Detroit's 1st, Mantha and 2021 2nd for Eichel and Okposo....Okposo is just a salary dump.

- HenryHockey

Closer but Buffalo still says no. Eichel is one of the best players in the league, in his prime with years left on his contract and they'd want a stud center coming back.
dcz28
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.20.2006

Jun 29 @ 6:48 PM ET
Case in point the Karlsson trade. Most thought the Sens got fleeced but it was the Sharks who ended up with egg on their face. That was a rental trade. Acquiring Eichel would cost much much more. You'd basically have to gut your franchise to have any shot of acquiring him.
- gergeswillems


I don't think anyone expected that 1st round pick from the Sharks to end up as the 3rd overall when the trade was made. Had they been a playoff or cup contender again then that trade would look ugly for the Sens...although Karlsson didn't exactly look good so far either.


Wings wouldn't really need to gut their team but they likely would give up too many pieces they need to rebuild to make it worth it.
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Jun 29 @ 7:42 PM ET
I don't think anyone expected that 1st round pick from the Sharks to end up as the 3rd overall when the trade was made. Had they been a playoff or cup contender again then that trade would look ugly for the Sens...although Karlsson didn't exactly look good so far either.


Wings wouldn't really need to gut their team but they likely would give up too many pieces they need to rebuild to make it worth it.

- dcz28


Yeah they need to take te slower but more sure way instead of trying to trade away their building blocks for imediate gratification. That is exactly what got Buffalo into trouble.
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