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MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 30 @ 8:04 PM ET
You can get tested to know this for sure.
- Hockey66


Where I am you can't request an antibody test that I'm aware of.

Also, there's studies now showing that antibodies in asymptomatic people decline fast or some poop.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Jun 30 @ 8:53 PM ET
masks? Really? Cause wide spread rioting/looting/protesting isnt a reason at all for the rise in cases right?

Come on man.

- OfManNotMachine


Masks and social distancing are key. Regions with higher adoption of masks and distancing have less infections.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 30 @ 9:54 PM ET
Masks and social distancing are key. Regions with higher adoption of masks and distancing have less infections.
- Zezel

I agree. The evidence is there. Asia wore masks and Europe locked down better. A good part of America doesnt care. Sometimes they're that stubborn uncle who needs to be shown rather than told. I would've thought politicizing a pandemic was as low as we could go... but there are still 6 months left this year.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 30 @ 10:05 PM ET
I agree. The evidence is there. Asia wore masks and Europe locked down better. A good part of America doesnt care. Sometimes they're that stubborn uncle who needs to be shown rather than told. I would've thought politicizing a pandemic was as low as we could go... but there are still 6 months left this year.
- SuperHenderson13

I agree. As Americans, we're so used to life being convenient and doing what we want that it's harder to get us to buy in to safety precautions. We're just too entitled.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 1 @ 7:53 AM ET
Unless they can basically create two insulated compounds, cities, or whatever you want to call it, where all athletes and staff (including hospitality staff, etc...) are completely locked in until the season ends there's going to be a risk. Even then, to guarantee that not ONE person sneaks out to see family or friends is next to impossible. It's just human nature. Someone will find a way to sneak away.

If money wasn't an issue, no live events should take place until a vaccine(which still isn't 100% effective) is released or at the very least a VERY effective treatment. I also believe this should be a virtually unanimous decision amongst the players. To me anything over 10% of players not wanting to participate is enough to say no.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 1 @ 7:55 AM ET
I agree. As Americans, we're so used to life being convenient and doing what we want that it's harder to get us to buy in to safety precautions. We're just too entitled.
- Tojo.


Bingo. It's (frank)ing embarrassing.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 1 @ 7:57 AM ET
Masks and social distancing are key. Regions with higher adoption of masks and distancing have less infections.
- Zezel


If everyone here would have bought in at the same time to the small sacrifice of wearing a mask we'd likely be in a far better situation right now.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 1 @ 8:03 AM ET
Where I am you can't request an antibody test that I'm aware of.

Also, there's studies now showing that antibodies in asymptomatic people decline fast or some poop.

- MattStrat


My cousin is a doc and has told me the antibody test is tenuous. Mind you, while he's a doc, he's also someone who thinks this is all overblown, but still he says the reason is because they really just don't know for sure that having the antibodies means anything definitive.

He said whether or not having them means you definitely won't get it isn't certain since the virus mutates. He said that's also the reason that the first vaccine may only be 10% to 50% effective.

Who knows though, I hear many doctors and scientists say different things, but the one thing they all agree on is that they don't know anything for sure, so wear a mask and social distance.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 1 @ 8:16 AM ET
My cousin is a doc and has told me the antibody test is tenuous. Mind you, while he's a doc, he's also someone who thinks this is all overblown, but still he says the reason is because they really just don't know for sure that having the antibodies means anything definitive.

He said whether or not having them means you definitely won't get it isn't certain since the virus mutates. He said that's also the reason that the first vaccine may only be 10% to 50% effective.

Who knows though, I hear many doctors and scientists say different things, but the one thing they all agree on is that they don't know anything for sure, so wear a mask and social distance.

- Rinosaur

I was subscribed to a primary care services called ForwardHealth before my new job's insurance kicked in last month and I got all these tests done. The doc described it as basically you have to think of antibodies as something you build up, and once you reach a certain level you become Teflon, but anything below that threshold you're still at risk. He said that we know how to measure the COVID-19 antibodies, but we still have no idea what the teflon threshold for the virus is, so really all the antibody test can tell you is that you have come in contact with the virus.

I wouldn't say that's exactly meaningless knowledge. Any piece of information about this stuff is useful, and from a higher level this is good for contact tracing, but yeah, testing positive for antibodies doesn't necessarily mean you're safe.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 1 @ 8:51 AM ET
A Canada Day without NHL Free Agen Frenzy.... Its just not right... Its just not gonna be the same without obsessively checking my phone to see who the Pens overspent on haha. Scuds, Hunwick or Jack Johnson anyone?... To be fair there's been some good in the Sid and Geno era...Gonch and Martin come to mind... Who else?... Also can't forget that Kessel was picked up on this day too. That was huge.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jul 1 @ 9:01 AM ET
My cousin is a doc and has told me the antibody test is tenuous. Mind you, while he's a doc, he's also someone who thinks this is all overblown, but still he says the reason is because they really just don't know for sure that having the antibodies means anything definitive.

He said whether or not having them means you definitely won't get it isn't certain since the virus mutates. He said that's also the reason that the first vaccine may only be 10% to 50% effective.

Who knows though, I hear many doctors and scientists say different things, but the one thing they all agree on is that they don't know anything for sure, so wear a mask and social distance.

- Rinosaur


Yeah, lots of people saying different things, sometimes who's paying them or their political allegiance is a factor in what they're saying. I have family and friends, doctors and nurses, they're all taking it very seriously and took our guidlines here very seriously. Two things I don't think anyone can dispute is how contagious it is and that the vast majority of infected will recover.
simethos
Season Ticket Holder
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 05.02.2007

Jul 1 @ 1:48 PM ET
Bingo. It's (frank)ing embarrassing.
- Rinosaur


Preach!
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 1 @ 4:22 PM ET
Just wait until after the election. Covid will go away on its own.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Jul 1 @ 4:49 PM ET
Yeah, lots of people saying different things, sometimes who's paying them or their political allegiance is a factor in what they're saying. I have family and friends, doctors and nurses, they're all taking it very seriously and took our guidlines here very seriously. Two things I don't think anyone can dispute is how contagious it is and that the vast majority of infected will recover.
- MattStrat

If by "recover" you mean not die, then yes. Too early to tell what the long-term effects might be for a respiratory virus without longitudinal studies. I've heard that this virus can do irreparable damage to one's lungs.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Jul 1 @ 4:51 PM ET
A Canada Day without NHL Free Agen Frenzy.... Its just not right... Its just not gonna be the same without obsessively checking my phone to see who the Pens overspent on haha. Scuds, Hunwick or Jack Johnson anyone?... To be fair there's been some good in the Sid and Geno era...Gonch and Martin come to mind... Who else?... Also can't forget that Kessel was picked up on this day too. That was huge.
- MattStrat

I remember "Kessel Day" - I was on my way to get a root canal when the news broke.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jul 1 @ 5:15 PM ET
Per Sullivan everyone is in Pittsburgh. Hornqvist is in quarantine after returning from Sweden.
powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Jul 1 @ 6:40 PM ET
Unless they can basically create two insulated compounds, cities, or whatever you want to call it, where all athletes and staff (including hospitality staff, etc...) are completely locked in until the season ends there's going to be a risk. Even then, to guarantee that not ONE person sneaks out to see family or friends is next to impossible. It's just human nature. Someone will find a way to sneak away.

If money wasn't an issue, no live events should take place until a vaccine(which still isn't 100% effective) is released or at the very least a VERY effective treatment. I also believe this should be a virtually unanimous decision amongst the players. To me anything over 10% of players not wanting to participate is enough to say no.

- Rinosaur


All that is needed is everyone wear masks that is staff at all times. The player too except when eating or in their rooms. They may be allowed to eat in their rooms.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 1 @ 6:41 PM ET
Just wait until after the election. Covid will go away on its own.
- j.boyd919


No question. If Joe Biden wins it will vanish over night.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 1 @ 11:26 PM ET
No question. If Joe Biden wins it will vanish over night.
- madmike71

Ah yes. The Democrats: too incompetent to win elections against populists, but so incredibly competent that they’re capable of engineering an entire global pandemic hoax in order to steal the election. They are truly Schrödinger’s party.
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Jul 2 @ 1:00 AM ET
Just wait until after the election. Covid will go away on its own.
- j.boyd919


Yup. Then maybe we can get some hockey.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 2 @ 7:50 AM ET
No question. If Joe Biden wins it will vanish over night.
- madmike71


I don't think any rational person, democrat, republican or whatever believes this, but what they do believe is a new leader will set us on track toward getting control of a situation that's unnecessarily out of control. People follow leaders and leaders lead by example, so when you have a leader who's example is dogpoop and doesn't even know how to lead to begin with, you're in a poop situation.

If you think this is a Dem/Rep opinion, it's not. McConnel, Romney and the (frank)ING CHENEYS are promoting wearing masks. Sadly some republican cronies are not helping the situation, but I don't care if they ran a different republican, a sane rational politician (oxymoron, I know) will put us on track to better handle this mess.

While setting up regulations are largely state issues, the fed plays a large part to make sure the states are set up for success, so when you have a leader who doesn't take this seriously, you can't expect the states to have what they need in terms of funds and resources.

I'm also sick of this becoming a Dem/Rep issue. California is playing a big part in this mess and that's one of the bluest states around. This is a Trump issue, not a republican issue. I know some here think I'm some far left liberal and I'm not. I'm very much in the middle and when it comes to this issue I'm not going to damn the Republican party for Trump and a couple of dumb Governors.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 2 @ 8:20 AM ET
Ah yes. The Democrats: too incompetent to win elections against populists, but so incredibly competent that they’re capable of engineering an entire global pandemic hoax in order to steal the election. They are truly Schrödinger’s party.
- Victoro311


I actually had this conversation with someone the other day. The people who think this whole thing is some liberal conspiracy? If those people people think the liberals are so powerful as to create a worldwide pandemic that's caused millions to get sick and hundreds of thousands to die to simply get one leader from one country out of office they should be scared poopless of said group. They should just get in line because they're (frank)ed; you're not going to defeat a group that powerful. LOL
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 2 @ 9:01 AM ET
I don't think any rational person, democrat, republican or whatever believes this, but what they do believe is a new leader will set us on track toward getting control of a situation that's unnecessarily out of control. People follow leaders and leaders lead by example, so when you have a leader who's example is dogpoop and doesn't even know how to lead to begin with, you're in a poop situation.

If you think this is a Dem/Rep opinion, it's not. McConnel, Romney and the (frank)ING CHENEYS are promoting wearing masks. Sadly some republican cronies are not helping the situation, but I don't care if they ran a different republican, a sane rational politician (oxymoron, I know) will put us on track to better handle this mess.

While setting up regulations are largely state issues, the fed plays a large part to make sure the states are set up for success, so when you have a leader who doesn't take this seriously, you can't expect the states to have what they need in terms of funds and resources.

I'm also sick of this becoming a Dem/Rep issue. California is playing a big part in this mess and that's one of the bluest states around. This is a Trump issue, not a republican issue. I know some here think I'm some far left liberal and I'm not. I'm very much in the middle and when it comes to this issue I'm not going to damn the Republican party for Trump and a couple of dumb Governors.

- Rinosaur


Infections going up, deaths going down, proving this virus isn’t nearly as deadly as we initially thought. That’s a good thing. I don’t really think it’s that bad anyways if you took Cuomo’s huge (frank) up in NYC out of the equation the death rate would be much smaller but he sentenced how many people to death by sending them to nursing homes? Doesn’t help that the CDC admitted to (frank)ing up their statistics.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 2 @ 9:02 AM ET
I actually had this conversation with someone the other day. The people who think this whole thing is some liberal conspiracy? If those people people think the liberals are so powerful as to create a worldwide pandemic that's caused millions to get sick and hundreds of thousands to die to simply get one leader from one country out of office they should be scared poopless of said group. They should just get in line because they're (frank)ed; you're not going to defeat a group that powerful. LOL
- Rinosaur


Well the real conspiracy theorists think that Trump is going to expose the deep state, both Dems and repubs. Word on the dark web is he’s been arresting pedo blood drinkers since he got into office and that’s why both parties are scared of him. He is our savior. He is our champion. He is.. Trump. Keep America great and orange.

In all reality I think he (frank)ed up his next term with how he handled the riots and CHAZ and poop. Not that he could do much until the states ask, but he doesn’t exactly have a unifying voice even if I tend to agree with things like more funding vs defunding the popo but the problem is that people have already drawn their line in the sand. No matter what he tries to say, people either love him or hate him. Not much middle ground.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jul 2 @ 9:29 AM ET
I don't think any rational person, democrat, republican or whatever believes this, but what they do believe is a new leader will set us on track toward getting control of a situation that's unnecessarily out of control. People follow leaders and leaders lead by example, so when you have a leader who's example is dogpoop and doesn't even know how to lead to begin with, you're in a poop situation.

If you think this is a Dem/Rep opinion, it's not. McConnel, Romney and the (frank)ING CHENEYS are promoting wearing masks. Sadly some republican cronies are not helping the situation, but I don't care if they ran a different republican, a sane rational politician (oxymoron, I know) will put us on track to better handle this mess.

While setting up regulations are largely state issues, the fed plays a large part to make sure the states are set up for success, so when you have a leader who doesn't take this seriously, you can't expect the states to have what they need in terms of funds and resources.

I'm also sick of this becoming a Dem/Rep issue. California is playing a big part in this mess and that's one of the bluest states around. This is a Trump issue, not a republican issue. I know some here think I'm some far left liberal and I'm not. I'm very much in the middle and when it comes to this issue I'm not going to damn the Republican party for Trump and a couple of dumb Governors.

- Rinosaur


It was a cynical joke about the media. Obviously the virus is real. But let's be honest... The pandemic would have been covered completely differently if Hillary were in office. More honesty... If these northeastern governors who put sick people into nursing homes were republican, how do you think the media would have covered it? Have you ever been in a nursing home? It's easily the single biggest fvckup of the entire pandemic. Nothing Trump has done equals that. Nothing. Just wait for the class action lawsuits to fly.
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