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Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 25 @ 9:51 AM ET
he is a .5 ppg player


how many years and how much do you offer craig smith, if they were planning on spending to the cap?

I would be curious what others would offer him as well

- homiedclown

i plugged him into my last lineup at 2yrs/$7.5 million...may need to increase term and/or salary, but i don't think it'll be too far off for a winger in this climate
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 25 @ 9:54 AM ET
No one knows what Cozens will do, but he isn't rated #1 for nothing, the kid can skate, is a very good passer, him and Skinner could look very good together. Get them a decent RW and let them go, maybe there will be some growing pains, the kid is good, let's see what he's got.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 25 @ 9:56 AM ET
We have needed a 2C ever since we traded one of the better ones in the league. And I don’t think that will change. Sadly
- IndianaSabresFan


Im certainly not going to get my hopes up that they'll finally address it. If I were handicapping the likeliest scenario for training camp, it's that they roll in with Mojo, Kahun, Lazar, Cozens, Mittelstadt and Asplund and say "well, out of these 6 'centers,' 3 of em have to work out."

Because that's what they always do
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jul 25 @ 10:06 AM ET
No one knows what Cozens will do, but he isn't rated #1 for nothing, the kid can skate, is a very good passer, him and Skinner could look very good together. Get them a decent RW and let them go, maybe there will be some growing pains, the kid is good, let's see what he's got.
- Buff36



Putting all your eggs in one basket, though?

What if he isn't ready? Mojo at 2C again? Might as well get out the golf clubs.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:31 AM ET
That doesn't mean it is a better middle six then the Bruins, even if a miracle occurs. It's simply not.
- kingcong39

disagree

skinner is a 40 goal scorer which trumps anything in the middle 6

kahun is a .5 ppg player in the middle 6
johansson is better then a .5 ppg guy with 20 goals if healthy and plays a full season on the wing

fast is a perfect 3rd line winger with great pk skills

and you got 2 picks in the top 8 in casey and cozens


if casey and cozens produce, this middle 6 is miles ahead of the bruins middle 6



debrusk is a really good second line winger
krejci is a beast as a second line center

the others?

Kuraly is worse then Fast
Casey is better already then Ritchie or the other Ritchie

Coyle is fine for a third line center, but nothing special



Casey and Cozens are not the new Fasching and Bailey

Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 25 @ 10:32 AM ET
Putting all your eggs in one basket, though?

What if he isn't ready? Mojo at 2C again? Might as well get out the golf clubs.

- Powerslave

No that is why if you can't go the trade route, you bring in Haula or Soderberg to play 3C as backup just in case. They can flip with Cozens if need be. If Homie is right and have no reason to doubt him, we aren't spending to the cap. That's why if you can get Strome from Chicago would be perfect cause he is a RFA and isn't gonna cost a poop ton.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:32 AM ET
Yet it’s clear to everyone with a brain they aren’t.
- IndianaSabresFan

maybe they are working out during the covid time off?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:33 AM ET
i plugged him into my last lineup at 2yrs/$7.5 million...may need to increase term and/or salary, but i don't think it'll be too far off for a winger in this climate
- Michael Pachla

I'd like Boss's take on how much to offer Smith, I noticed he didn't chime in
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:35 AM ET
No one knows what Cozens will do, but he isn't rated #1 for nothing, the kid can skate, is a very good passer, him and Skinner could look very good together. Get them a decent RW and let them go, maybe there will be some growing pains, the kid is good, let's see what he's got.
- Buff36

I think betweem Johansson and Tage, you have that RW


honestly, I would like to see Tage get a shot on the top line in training camp


olofsson-eichel-tage
skinner-cozens-skunk


you could get 75 goals from that second line and really have a 1-2 punch

if soccer man opened it up
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jul 25 @ 10:35 AM ET
No that is why if you can't go the trade route, you bring in Haula or Soderberg to play 3C as backup just in case. They can flip with Cozens if need be. If Homie is right and have no reason to doubt him, we aren't spending to the cap. That's why if you can get Strome from Chicago would be perfect cause he is a RFA and isn't gonna cost a poop ton.
- Buff36



I'm on board the Strome train.

Haula makes me nervous. He legit had ONE good season.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:37 AM ET
No that is why if you can't go the trade route, you bring in Haula or Soderberg to play 3C as backup just in case. They can flip with Cozens if need be. If Homie is right and have no reason to doubt him, we aren't spending to the cap. That's why if you can get Strome from Chicago would be perfect cause he is a RFA and isn't gonna cost a poop ton.
- Buff36

if they did an overhaul on the middle 6, which I doubt


smith, soderberg and fast would flip the script and we might actually have a decent PK
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 25 @ 10:44 AM ET
I'm on board the Strome train.

Haula makes me nervous. He legit had ONE good season.

- Powerslave

Haula is a ?, he is very talented, just can't stay healthy, but I think he would be worth a shot, and he wouldn't cost a lot.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 25 @ 10:45 AM ET
if they did an overhaul on the middle 6, which I doubt


smith, soderberg and fast would flip the script and we might actually have a decent PK

- homiedclown

And having a decent PK would do wonders, killed us last year.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 10:47 AM ET
disagree

skinner is a 40 goal scorer which trumps anything in the middle 6

kahun is a .5 ppg player in the middle 6
johansson is better then a .5 ppg guy with 20 goals if healthy and plays a full season on the wing

fast is a perfect 3rd line winger with great pk skills

and you got 2 picks in the top 8 in casey and cozens

if casey and cozens produce, this middle 6 is miles ahead of the bruins middle 6

debrusk is a really good second line winger
krejci is a beast as a second line center

the others?

Kuraly is worse then Fast
Casey is better already then Ritchie or the other Ritchie

Coyle is fine for a third line center, but nothing special

Casey and Cozens are not the new Fasching and Bailey

- homiedclown


You are completely and totally ignoring what Mittelstadt has shown to date.

Also, the Center duo of Krejci - Coyle is light years better than Cozens - Kahun at least as far as next year goes.

The fan base would do cartwheels if they had a 2nd line Center producing at a.5 PPG rate like Coyle does, let alone a 3C who did that.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:52 AM ET
You are completely and totally ignoring what Mittelstadt has shown to date.

Also, the Center duo of Krejci - Coyle is light years better than Cozens - Kahun at least as far as next year goes.

- kingcong39

at this point, casey has done much more then strome did, but everyone wants to sell the farm for him

I trust what taylor did with casey and tage last year, based on his record with other guys

the best thing for this franchise is cozens and casey to be legit


the worst thing for this franchise is moving a bunch of younger guys with upside for vets
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 10:55 AM ET
i plugged him into my last lineup at 2yrs/$7.5 million...may need to increase term and/or salary, but i don't think it'll be too far off for a winger in this climate
- Michael Pachla


You are banking on this climate depressing Smith's upcoming contract and the stink of the Sabres not meaning an increased cost in signing him.

Evolving Hockey's most prediction for his next contract is 3 years @ $4.4M per.

The next two most likely contract predictions for him are 5 years @ 5.3M per and 4 years @ $4.8M per.

I think there's a strong chance he will want and get at least a 3 year deal and at $4M+ per year.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:55 AM ET
You are completely and totally ignoring what Mittelstadt has shown to date.

Also, the Center duo of Krejci - Coyle is light years better than Cozens - Kahun at least as far as next year goes.

The fan base would do cartwheels if they had a 2nd line Center producing at a.5 PPG rate like Coyle does, let alone a 3C who did that.

- kingcong39

johansson was at a .5 ppg level last year
kahun has been consistently a .5 ppg player
skinner will bounce back, always does

cozens is one of the best nhl prospects in recent poll

casey did well in ahl
tage got 21 points in 24 games in ahl


the future is casey cozens, tage and kahun for the middle 6
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 10:56 AM ET
at this point, casey has done much more then strome did, but everyone wants to sell the farm for him

I trust what taylor did with casey and tage last year, based on his record with other guys

the best thing for this franchise is cozens and casey to be legit

the worst thing for this franchise is moving a bunch of younger guys with upside for vets

- homiedclown


And the absolute worst thing is planning on them being legit, again, for the 3rd season in a row. It would be Groundhog Day.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:56 AM ET
You are banking on this climate depressing Smith's upcoming contract and the stink of the Sabres not meaning an increased cost in signing him.

Evolving Hockey's most prediction for his next contract is 3 years @ $4.4M per.

The next two most likely contract predictions for him are 5 years @ 5.3M per and 4 years @ $4.8M per.

I think there's a strong chance he will want and get at least a 3 year deal and at $4M+ per year.

- kingcong39

I think Smith gets 5.5 or more per if he hits open market
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Jul 25 @ 10:57 AM ET
at this point, casey has done much more then strome did, but everyone wants to sell the farm for him

I trust what taylor did with casey and tage last year, based on his record with other guys

the best thing for this franchise is cozens and casey to be legit


the worst thing for this franchise is moving a bunch of younger guys with upside for vets

- homiedclown



Strome had 51 points in 58 games two years ago and 38 in 58 last year.

Casey couldn't carry his jockstrap at this point.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:57 AM ET
And the absolute worst thing is planning on them being legit, again, for the 3rd season in a row. It would be Groundhog Day.
- kingcong39

we have this great coach though



you need to prepare for the worst if you have doubts on cozens and casey


hate to break it to you
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 10:58 AM ET
johansson was at a .5 ppg level last year
kahun has been consistently a .5 ppg player
skinner will bounce back, always does

cozens is one of the best nhl prospects in recent poll

casey did well in ahl
tage got 21 points in 24 games in ahl

the future is casey cozens, tage and kahun for the middle 6

- homiedclown


Kahun has produced at .5PPG centering a line? He has not.

The future does not mean next year. Of the group of 4 you listed, only Kahun has shown he is ready. None of the others have at the NHL level. Planning on all 4 to be legit is akin to planning for doom.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 10:59 AM ET
we have this great coach though

you need to prepare for the worst if you have doubts on cozens and casey

hate to break it to you

- homiedclown


I am fully prepared for it.

Acting like it's remotely a good idea and will work is foolhardy at best.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 25 @ 10:59 AM ET
Strome had 51 points in 58 games two years ago and 38 in 58 last year.

Casey couldn't carry his jockstrap at this point.

- Powerslave

strome had 15 points in 48 games in the nhl at this point .312 ppg


casey has 39 points in 114 games .342 ppg


strome is 2 and a half years older
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 25 @ 11:00 AM ET
I think Smith gets 5.5 or more per if he hits open market
- homiedclown


I think that is more than he will get, and more than the projections.

I think his next contract will be somewhere between what you said and what Pachla said.
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