Really? You think that one of Rossi/Perfetti/Holtz will dramatically change the habs? I don’t. The only players at this year draft capables to have an impact on the Habs roster in a near future are Lafrenière, Stutzle (SP?), Sanderson and Drysdale. All 4 will be gone before the 9th pick. I won’t lie in my pool i had the Pens in 3, a prediction that seemed spot on after the exhibition game against the Leafs but truth is, they played well yesterday and despite being roasted in the talent department, they gave an A+ effort last night so i will cheer for them if they keep playing like that.

Oh and Pat, Riverdancers don’t exist...si ça peut te rassurer.
- Habsody

Define near future. Because I could see one of those 3 first guys being on the Habs in 2 or 3 years, which is overall rather near.

Define near future. Because I could see one of those 3 first guys being on the Habs in 2 or 3 years, which is overall rather near.
- jugkope

I said had an impact, not make the roster. They will be good players don't misunderstand me, but Habs will need a great D and a great F to be "serious". Sanderson could be one of those. I like Holtz size and goal scoring abilities, not sure how it will translate in the pros though.

Really? You think that one of Rossi/Perfetti/Holtz will dramatically change the habs? I don’t. The only players at this year draft capables to have an impact on the Habs roster in a near future are Lafrenière, Stutzle (SP?), Sanderson and Drysdale. All 4 will be gone before the 9th pick. I won’t lie in my pool i had the Pens in 3, a prediction that seemed spot on after the exhibition game against the Leafs but truth is, they played well yesterday and despite being roasted in the talent department, they gave an A+ effort last night so i will cheer for them if they keep playing like that.

Oh and Pat, Riverdancers don’t exist...si ça peut te rassurer.
- Habsody

I said had an impact, not make the roster. They will be good players don't misunderstand me, but Habs will need a great D and a great F to be "serious". Sanderson could be one of those. I like Holtz size and goal scoring abilities, not sure how it will translate in the pros though.
- Habsody

And I do think that Rossi/Perfetti/Holtz could easily bring in 2 years what Suzuki is bringing now, which I would probably call an impact.

And I do think that Rossi/Perfetti/Holtz could easily bring in 2 years what Suzuki is bringing now, which I would probably call an impact.
- jugkope

I would agree.... only problem with that is all those guys are on the small side, at some point they're gonna have to add some beef up front

had another GREAT run

I would agree.... only problem with that is all those guys are on the small side, at some point they're gonna have to add some beef up front
- obie

Maybe, but no harm in having say one of those 3 guys instead of say, Paul Byron. The earliest ranked forward above 6', aside from Lafrenière and Byfield, is 21st-ranked 6'2 194 Tyson Foerster according to the NHL's ranking. Foerster being 28th ex-aequo in PPG in the OHL, vs Rossi who was 1st by a decent margin in front of a 19 years old who played 27 games.

And I do think that Rossi/Perfetti/Holtz could easily bring in 2 years what Suzuki is bringing now, which I would probably call an impact.
- jugkope

Yup and that's exactly my point: those 3 COULD have an impact while the 4 others i mentionned WILL have an impact. Now that we have agreed, have a great day.

I would agree.... only problem with that is all those guys are on the small side, at some point they're gonna have to add some beef up front
- obie

Perfetti is talented but so fragile...very Krebs-esque IMO. I like Rossi, could turn out to be a decent 2nd liner and Holtz,well he is big,good hands and scores. Just not sure if he will adjust to NHL speed...

I would love to trade up and get Sanderson if we end up with the 9th.

Maybe, but no harm in having say one of those 3 guys instead of say, Paul Byron. The earliest ranked forward above 6', aside from Lafrenière and Byfield, is 21st-ranked 6'2 194 Tyson Foerster according to the NHL's ranking. Foerster being 28th ex-aequo in PPG in the OHL, vs Rossi who was 1st by a decent margin in front of a 19 years old who played 27 games.
- jugkope

Those 3 guys are dynamite, not arguing that... and unlike Byron, you would hope that any of the 3 would eventually play in your top 6 and actually belong... a top 6 that is already on the smaller side.... Rossi especially is gonna be a star for sure..... if they win this round the best they can hope for is 16th, right? At that point the 3 are way gone and they're probably looking at a D, like Schneider

They need Kotkaniemi to be the top C, Suzuki will be the ideal 2nd line C, if Kotkaniemi can do that, the offense will be pretty good not too far down the road, the D will be the weakness that needs to be addressed

Maybe, but no harm in having say one of those 3 guys instead of say, Paul Byron. The earliest ranked forward above 6', aside from Lafrenière and Byfield, is 21st-ranked 6'2 194 Tyson Foerster according to the NHL's ranking. Foerster being 28th ex-aequo in PPG in the OHL, vs Rossi who was 1st by a decent margin in front of a 19 years old who played 27 games.
- jugkope

So with a top10 pick in a deep draft,you swing for a 3rd liner/complimentary/utilitary player? Hmmm, i thought Holtz was 6'1, my bad.

Yup and that's exactly my point: those 3 COULD have an impact while the 4 others i mentionned WILL have an impact. Now that we have agreed, have a great day.
- Habsody

You said ''The only players at this year draft capables to have an impact on the Habs roster in a near future are Lafrenière, Stutzle (SP?), Sanderson and Drysdale.'', so you are disagreeing with yourself.

And it's better to have a player that could have an impact in the near future than to play 4 or 5 more games and end up with a player that might have an impact in a half dozen years.

Perfetti is talented but so fragile...very Krebs-esque IMO. I like Rossi, could turn out to be a decent 2nd liner and Holtz,well he is big,good hands and scores. Just not sure if he will adjust to NHL speed...

I would love to trade up and get Sanderson if we end up with the 9th.
- Habsody

Holtz is 5'11" and 180 lbs, he's not that big

Jake Sanderson would be a great add to the D core, but he won't be around if they win this round

So with a top10 pick in a deep draft,you swing for a 3rd liner/complimentary/utilitary player? Hmmm, i thought Holtz was 6'1, my bad.
- Habsody

I've seen Holtz at 6' mostly, and no I was actually arguing don't go for the bigger guy that produces almost a full ppg under the undersized one.

You said ''The only players at this year draft capables to have an impact on the Habs roster in a near future are Lafrenière, Stutzle (SP?), Sanderson and Drysdale.'', so you are disagreeing with yourself.

And it's better to have a player that could have an impact in the near future than to play 4 or 5 more games and end up with a player that might have an impact in a half dozen years.
- jugkope

i don't see where is the contradiction but an ego fight isn't on my menu for breakfast so you are right and i am wrong.

And i don't disagree with your point, all i am saying is the Habs need more than one of those 3 to retool their offense, they are highly lacking in the superstar department and only Lafrenière and Stutzle fill the bill for me. Never been a Byfield fan, will be a good NHLer but not as projected.

I've seen Holtz at 6' mostly, and no I was actually arguing don't go for the bigger guy that produces almost a full ppg under the undersized one.
- jugkope

It's tough to compare a men league vs CHL. I will give you that Rossi is the BPA at 9th (if still available). He isnt big but he doesnt play small. High IQ like Suzuki too.

It's tough to compare a men league vs CHL. I will give you that Rossi is the BPA at 9th (if still available). He isnt big but he doesnt play small. High IQ like Suzuki too.
- Habsody

Don't expect him to actually be available.

Don't expect him to actually be available.
- jugkope

A Habs win tomorrow and that conversation is pretty much over anyway

A Habs win tomorrow and that conversation is pretty much over anyway
- obie

True. Then we pick 16 and we might as well take a look at Foerster

True. Then we pick 16 and we might as well take a look at Foerster
- jugkope

I'd take Schneider at 16th if he's still up


The real question is, who will they pick at 31?

True. Then we pick 16 and we might as well take a look at Foerster
- jugkope

Or swing for a homerun and draft Hendrix Lapierre.

This is supposed to be a strong draft class, there will be plenty of talent left in the mid first round.

I'd take Schneider at 16th if he's still up


The real question is, who will they pick at 31?
- obie

I'd possibly try Holloway at 16.

31st, I could see them going Hirvonen, maybe Bordeleau or Brisson since they like their American players.

I'd possibly try Holloway at 16.

31st, I could see them going Hirvonen, maybe Bordeleau or Brisson since they like their American players.
- jugkope

Anything out of the top 10 and I grab the best available D, I don't care what side he plays, that D is gonna be pretty horrible in 2 years

They are also going to draft a WHL defenseman in the 2nd/3rd round pick, as always. Maybe Seeley.

Anything out of the top 10 and I grab the best available D, I don't care what side he plays, that D is gonna be pretty horrible in 2 years
- obie

Don't think any D available at 16 is going to play above the AHL for the next 4 years.