moving no. 8 really hurts the farm system and it is a conflict...however, if they could get two picks back for montour (especially a 2nd and 3rd) it helps that loss a bit
- Michael Pachla

Do you see any scenario where you get Monahan without using the 8th or Cozens?

Or

Do you kick the tires on a Henrique, aiming to keep the 8th.

Or

Maybe Dvorak out of Az

I know for this exercise you ran with what we have heard from 89...

But I am curious, if you want to keep 8 and cozens. Who are you targeting for 2c, assuming mitts, mojo and cozens should NOT be a 2c at the start of the 2020/21 campaign.

Play Skinner with Jack and VO on the first PP. This isn't hard.
- SDSabre

Skinner is really bad on the PP and really good 5v5. Have to accept that.

Skinner is really bad on the PP and really good 5v5. Have to accept that.
- Lunaion

Yeah, so let's not hamstring him. Play with Jack on L1. Then play VO on the PP1. The way I wrote that wasn't the clearest.

I’d take Fleury in a heartbeat

I don't think you can move him for picks. I think that's why the rumor of non-tendering him came up.

If 17 teams are working on restricted budgets, and 10 more already have cap problems (just a guess), then there's almost no money left.
- Lunaion

the reason i picked l.a. is that they have a ton of picks and a great prospect pool but no vet defensemen signed other than doughty...montour is still young, and i believe he has enough talent to warrant consideration from other teams

Do you see any scenario where you get Monahan without using the 8th or Cozens?

Or

Do you kick the tires on a Henrique, aiming to keep the 8th.

Or

Maybe Dvorak out of Az

I know for this exercise you ran with what we have heard from 89...

But I am curious, if you want to keep 8 and cozens. Who are you targeting for 2c, assuming mitts, mojo and cozens should NOT be a 2c at the start of the 2020/21 campaign.
- Gr8daygo

i want to keep 8 and have been a big proponent of henrique...i'll take a haula or soderberg as a stop-gap

edit: i wouldn't have a problem moving 8 for cirelli as he's a 23 yr. old rfa with upside

Olo just played his rookie year with 42pts in 54g. I'd give him at least a couple years in the league before we say he doesn't have top line talent, he's certainly got the goal scoring ability.

Agreed on DeMelo and Cozens. Skinner is better than a fringe 2LW though.
- RhinoFan

Olo was bad at generating offense last year, very bad at generating shot chances.

has a great shot, but is not very good. He is purely riding shotgun to Eichel and without him, he would have had a Jeff Skinner type season, IMO.

Yeah, so let's not hamstring him. Play with Jack on L1. Then play VO on the PP1. The way I wrote that wasn't the clearest.
- SDSabre

Oh, didn't read it that way. I'm with you then.

Play Skinner with Jack and VO on the first PP. This isn't hard.
- SDSabre

Vo and Skinner wouldn’t be a good combo with how many chances they bleed against defensively.

Now if you stick Larsson or Bonino in the middle that would definitely help.

Vo and Skinner wouldn’t be a good combo with how many chances they bleed against defensively.

Now if you stick Larsson or Bonino in the middle that would definitely help.
- Pegullaville

Yeah I said that weirdly. I meant Skinner on L1 with Jack, and VO on PP 1 with Jack. Use them to their strengths.

i want to keep 8 and have been a big proponent of henrique...i'll take a haula or soderberg as a stop-gap

edit: i wouldn't have a problem moving 8 for cirelli as he's a 23 yr. old rfa with upside
- Michael Pachla

That’s pretty much where I am. I don’t mind moving 8 for the right player. I’m not 100% sure Monahan is the right player for 8.

At the end of the day, I might kick other tires before dropping 8 for Monahan but if pushed I’d make the deal. I might try for a swap of first round picks. Or some other package for him. At the end of the day, we need a real nhl second line center more than the prospect.

Don't sleep on Arizona, especially if Sullivan keeps the GM job, they are gonna have to make deals if it's true about that internal cap.

Don't sleep on Arizona, especially if Sullivan keeps the GM job, they are gonna have to make deals if it's true about that internal cap.
- Buff36

I was hoping they would hire McGuire so we could trade them Risto for Dvorak

I was hoping they would hire McGuire so we could trade them Risto for Dvorak
- Pegullaville

That's a good thought, but they would be adding about 1.2mill in that deal. Thinking more like Miller

Olo was bad at generating offense last year, very bad at generating shot chances.

has a great shot, but is not very good. He is purely riding shotgun to Eichel and without him, he would have had a Jeff Skinner type season, IMO.
- ImThatGuy

Can we please make all of this happen...

Don't sleep on Arizona, especially if Sullivan keeps the GM job, they are gonna have to make deals if it's true about that internal cap.
- Buff36

Bring me Dvorak and the hjlmarson (spelling, hammer)... Dvorak gets the 2c. Hammer plays next to Dahlin for a year. Pulls $9.5 from the Az books.

Send them ? Mitts. A d man and a pick? - no idea.

Hammer is 1 year left at $5 mill. I think he’s got a year left in him. Puts a vet Swede and kid Swede together and pretty much a cap dump for Az.

Dvorak is only $4.5 and could fit in nicely down the middle.

I could get behind that lineup, Boos. I would hate to part with 8 but it is what it is.

As for the Pegulas, there is a lot to be said about them, but for them wanting to be fiscally responsible during a pandemic is not something to get on them about. I work for an 8 Billion dollar company. We took drastic measures in the beginning. Salary cuts, bonus freezes, loss of company perks and a lot of people lost their jobs. Then, my industry took a shot in the arm, we sold way more product than last year to the point where we ran out, our clients ran out and what we call the "staycation phenomenon" was born. Our salaries were reinstated, our bonuses brought back and other job perks were reinstated. We were even told we would be made whole on the money we lost. With that being said, the revenue for the team is not there. Football makes billions off of advertising and television. Hockey does not. The money is made with fans in the stands.

I want a winning team, but I also want a stable franchise that is here for a long time.

Bring me Dvorak and the hjlmarson (spelling, hammer)... Dvorak gets the 2c. Hammer plays next to Dahlin for a year. Pulls $9.5 from the Az books.

Send them ? Mitts. A d man and a pick? - no idea.

Hammer is 1 year left at $5 mill. I think he’s got a year left in him. Puts a vet Swede and kid Swede together and pretty much a cap dump for Az.

Dvorak is only $4.5 and could fit in nicely down the middle.
- Gr8daygo

We shall see

I could get behind that lineup, Boos. I would hate to part with 8 but it is what it is.

As for the Pegulas, there is a lot to be said about them, but for them wanting to be fiscally responsible during a pandemic is not something to get on them about. I work for an 8 Billion dollar company. We took drastic measures in the beginning. Salary cuts, bonus freezes, loss of company perks and a lot of people lost their jobs. Then, my industry took a shot in the arm, we sold way more product than last year to the point where we ran out, our clients ran out and what we call the "staycation phenomenon" was born. Our salaries were reinstated, our bonuses brought back and other job perks were reinstated. We were even told we would be made whole on the money we lost. With that being said, the revenue for the team is not there. Football makes billions off of advertising and television. Hockey does not. The money is made with fans in the stands.

I want a winning team, but I also want a stable franchise that is here for a long time.
- soljor09

well said and congrats to you and your company coming out of it in good shape

https://www.quanthockey.c...easons-players-stats.html

the guy is 8th in even strength goals for the last 5 years, but a fringe 2nd line player
- navinrjohnson

Ok. Keep him. Hopefully he continues to score 40 goals a year, because his defensive abilities are atrocious. You have enough guys on the team that are decent in the offensive zone, but clearly the issues are in your own zone. Some of these players need to be moved before they become contracts that no team will take on. I feel Skinner is absolutely one of those players, but if you wan't to hold onto him for the duration of his contract its no skin off my back. Just an impartial hockey fan chiming in. Not trying to ruffle any feathers.

Ok. Keep him. Hopefully he continues to score 40 goals a year, because his defensive abilities are atrocious. You have enough guys on the team that are decent in the offensive zone, but clearly the issues are in your own zone. Some of these players need to be moved before they become contracts that no team will take on. I feel Skinner is absolutely one of those players, but if you wan't to hold onto him for the duration of his contract its no skin off my back. Just an impartial hockey fan chiming in. Not trying to ruffle any feathers.
- bikeguy99

You are more right than wrong. I love how he is called a 40 goal scorer when he did it on his contract year where he scored 4 goals in his last 25 games. If one year defines a player then he is a 14 goal scorer, last year's total. The Sabres have a 14 goal scorer. You are only as good as your last performance.

I can see why it would be difficult to part with 8th from a buffalo perspective considering their need for a 2C may only be temporary (Unless cozens is developed as a wing) but in Calgary’s end the 8th overall’s starting from 2017 (too early to tell on Boqvist & Broberg) are:

Middlestadt
A. Nylander
Werenski
W. nylander
Ristolainen
Pouliot
Couturier
Burmistrov

That shows a less than A 50% success rate of getting a player as good as monahan. While I do think he is worth no more than the 8th alone it’s easy to see why fans of both teams have their respective opinions due to the potential upside/downside of the pick.

Personally I could see a larger deal involving monahan, Derek Ryan, and rittich for 8th, Kahun, and another player if the flames really wanted to open up cap space to be aggressive in the off-season. But I think it’s likelier the sabres target either a guy that is more of a 2/3 C like davorak or a C/Wing like Domi based on my belief that they will gamble the possibility of cozens becoming good enough to take that spot long term.

Ok. Keep him. Hopefully he continues to score 40 goals a year, because his defensive abilities are atrocious. You have enough guys on the team that are decent in the offensive zone, but clearly the issues are in your own zone. Some of these players need to be moved before they become contracts that no team will take on. I feel Skinner is absolutely one of those players, but if you wan't to hold onto him for the duration of his contract its no skin off my back. Just an impartial hockey fan chiming in. Not trying to ruffle any feathers.
- bikeguy99

You lost me here

I could get behind that lineup, Boos. I would hate to part with 8 but it is what it is.

As for the Pegulas, there is a lot to be said about them, but for them wanting to be fiscally responsible during a pandemic is not something to get on them about. I work for an 8 Billion dollar company. We took drastic measures in the beginning. Salary cuts, bonus freezes, loss of company perks and a lot of people lost their jobs. Then, my industry took a shot in the arm, we sold way more product than last year to the point where we ran out, our clients ran out and what we call the "staycation phenomenon" was born. Our salaries were reinstated, our bonuses brought back and other job perks were reinstated. We were even told we would be made whole on the money we lost. With that being said, the revenue for the team is not there. Football makes billions off of advertising and television. Hockey does not. The money is made with fans in the stands.

I want a winning team, but I also want a stable franchise that is here for a long time.
- soljor09

I completely understand.

I also am not worth hundreds of millions of dollars and cannot say I’ve run my own business unless you count doing your own investments.

However, what I do know is that Pegula handed out the equivalent of the Sabres salary cap to McDermott, Dawkins, and Tre White in the last month.

Are the Sabres, alike most NHL franchises apart from maybe NYR and TOR, a boat with a hole in the bottom ? Absolutely.

However Pegula has the money to spend to the cap even if it is taking on contracts like Stepan and Monahan whom although have $6.5M cap hits are both combined to make $5M in real salary this year. (I’m not advocating trading for them I’m just using them as hypothetical examples).

His promise to Sabres nation was that money would not be a issue. However now it is.