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Ben Shelley
Los Angeles Kings
Location: ON
Joined: 04.09.2020

Sep 12 @ 2:31 PM ET
Ben Shelley: Analyzing Sean Walker's new contract
paulozz
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.02.2012

Sep 12 @ 3:41 PM ET
Now trade Walker or Roy to the Leafs please
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Sep 12 @ 3:44 PM ET
Now trade Walker or Roy to the Leafs please
- paulozz


They're not going to trade Walker before he plays a single game on his extension. It would ruin future negotiations with RFAs. What motivation would they have to take team-friendly deals if it just makes them attractive trade options?

I could see something like this happening though.

Roy + Lizotte + #50OA
for
Kerfoot + #15OA
paulozz
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.02.2012

Sep 12 @ 4:17 PM ET
i was kidding mostly

your deal way to much to give up for Roy

Roy + 50OA for Kerfoot to start - he's a very quality 3C or winger if needed

Leafs don't really want to part with him - just might be ok to
let the player go because of the salary hit....3.5 AAV

Leafs aren't trading the 15OA for yuor proposal but thanks for engaging man
BrainSap
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.19.2016

Sep 12 @ 6:20 PM ET
Walker, Roy and the 2nd OA

For

Dermott, marner and the 15th OA
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Sep 12 @ 7:26 PM ET
i was kidding mostly

your deal way to much to give up for Roy

Roy + 50OA for Kerfoot to start - he's a very quality 3C or winger if needed

Leafs don't really want to part with him - just might be ok to
let the player go because of the salary hit....3.5 AAV

Leafs aren't trading the 15OA for yuor proposal but thanks for engaging man

- paulozz


Kerfoot was just a throw in to clear space for the Leafs. The Kings don't have a need for him. Lizotte is just as quality for significantly less money/cap hit.

I would simplify the trade to Roy + #50OA for #15OA. The Kings don't have any desire to move Roy and only would if the 1st or one of Mikheyev/Hyman were coming back. I'm not saying that's a even or fair swap, but the only pieces that would entice the Kings to trade Roy.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Sep 12 @ 7:27 PM ET
Walker, Roy and the 2nd OA

For

Dermott, marner and the 15th OA

- BrainSap


Kings aren't trading out of the top 3, nor are they taking on a third $10M+ contract or decimating the right side of their defense.
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Sep 12 @ 8:40 PM ET
Walker, Roy and the 2nd OA

For

Dermott, marner and the 15th OA

- BrainSap

LOL hell no
stefano76
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Canada, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 13 @ 1:06 PM ET
They're not going to trade Walker before he plays a single game on his extension. It would ruin future negotiations with RFAs. What motivation would they have to take team-friendly deals if it just makes them attractive trade options?

I could see something like this happening though.

Roy + Lizotte + #50OA
for
Kerfoot + #15OA

- tkecanuck341


unless LA is unloading salary, i dont see them trading with TO
stefano76
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Canada, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 13 @ 1:10 PM ET
Walker, Roy and the 2nd OA

For

Dermott, marner and the 15th OA

- BrainSap


Pass..LA does not need the ego's of Marner, Nylander nor Tavares....


Dubas screwed the leafs over with those deals...i dont see the Kings helping him out of that situation



tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Sep 13 @ 3:42 PM ET
unless LA is unloading salary, i dont see them trading with TO
- stefano76


The Kings can't really unload any more salary. They're in danger of not making the cap floor.
Earl Skakel
Los Angeles Kings
Location: West Hollywood, CA
Joined: 02.10.2010

Sep 13 @ 8:51 PM ET
I can't fathom a scenario where the Kings trade the #2OA for anybody. I could see them trading 1 or 2 of their 3 2nd round picks if a young Dman either in the 1st round or top prospect emerges as available.
paulozz
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.02.2012

Sep 14 @ 2:12 PM ET
You wish you has them on the Kings -Stafanoooo

Kings are farther away than you think - wingers, goalies etc.

You have some nice young def. & some promising Centers...I'll give
you that but relax on your wordsmith pal.
paulozz
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.02.2012

Sep 14 @ 2:13 PM ET
Lizotte is not on par with Kerfoot pal....look up the stats
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Sep 14 @ 3:47 PM ET
Lizotte is not on par with Kerfoot pal....look up the stats
- paulozz


You can't directly compare point totals from the Leafs to the Kings. Toronto scored an additional 60 goals this season. All of their players should have more points. Lizotte just performed better than any Kings 3C in the last decade, and that includes their Cup winning teams.

I'm sure if the Kings abandoned all semblances of team defense, then their 3rd liners would score as much as the Leafs players did too. They'd also finish in the league basement in GA/GP, right next to the Leafs.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Sep 14 @ 3:58 PM ET
You wish you has them on the Kings -Stafanoooo

Kings are farther away than you think - wingers, goalies etc.

You have some nice young def. & some promising Centers...I'll give
you that but relax on your wordsmith pal.

- paulozz


I agree that the Kings need winger pipeline needs some work, but what's wrong with the Kings goalies? I'd take their tandem over 20ish other teams in the NHL, Toronto included.
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Sep 15 @ 8:54 PM ET
I want LA to offer sheet Sergachev . His age fits perfect. And would force Tampa into a hard pickle.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Sep 15 @ 10:54 PM ET
I want LA to offer sheet Sergachev . His age fits perfect. And would force Tampa into a hard pickle.
- poisondhearts37


Kings shouldn't be giving offer sheets. They'd have to give up their 1st round pick next year and that pick will likely be a top 5 pick again.

If the Kings want Sergachev, Blake should pick up the phone and make BriseBois an offer.
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Sep 15 @ 11:28 PM ET
Kings shouldn't be giving offer sheets. They'd have to give up their 1st round pick next year and that pick will likely be a top 5 pick again.

If the Kings want Sergachev, Blake should pick up the phone and make BriseBois an offer.

- tkecanuck341

they could put in a offer that wont require a 1st and force tampa to make moves. and i think that is a safe route. esp for a guy whos age fits perfect with LA. Dennis Bernstein made the joke about it. But if you think about it. It wouldnt hurt to do it. esp because he would be better than most of our prospects would fit with age and development going forward for when they should be competing again.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Sep 15 @ 11:59 PM ET
they could put in a offer that wont require a 1st and force tampa to make moves. and i think that is a safe route. esp for a guy whos age fits perfect with LA. Dennis Bernstein made the joke about it. But if you think about it. It wouldnt hurt to do it. esp because he would be better than most of our prospects would fit with age and development going forward for when they should be competing again.
- poisondhearts37


The limit for a contract that doesn't return a 1st is 5 years at $4.36M. If the Kings offered that and Sergachev for some crazy reason decided to accept it, Tampa would match immediately and thank the Kings for making it so easy for them.

Realistically, there's no offer that Sergachev would accept that didn't return a 1st round pick.
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Sep 16 @ 12:09 AM ET
The limit for a contract that doesn't return a 1st is 5 years at $4.36M. If the Kings offered that and Sergachev for some crazy reason decided to accept it, Tampa would match immediately and thank the Kings for making it so easy for them.

Realistically, there's no offer that Sergachev would accept that didn't return a 1st round pick.

- tkecanuck341

its a good point. but it also might be worth a first to get him though.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Sep 16 @ 12:28 AM ET
its a good point. but it also might be worth a first to get him though.
- poisondhearts37


Blake needs to pick up the phone and call to make a deal. I'm sure he can be had without giving up a 1st if the Kings are willing to part with a quality forward prospect and a mid-pairing LHD like Anderson. The idea is to give up a known quantity instead of what could end up being the lottery winning pick.

Then the Kings can negotiate a new contract with Sergachev without worrying about trying to outbid what Tampa would be willing to match.
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Sep 16 @ 12:32 AM ET
Blake needs to pick up the phone and call to make a deal. I'm sure he can be had without giving up a 1st if the Kings are willing to part with a quality forward prospect and a mid-pairing LHD like Anderson. The idea is to give up a known quantity instead of what could end up being the lottery winning pick.

Then the Kings can negotiate a new contract with Sergachev without worrying about trying to outbid what Tampa would be willing to match.

- tkecanuck341

yeah i get it. im ok with either option though tbh.
Only_A_Ladd
Los Angeles Kings
Location: An attempt to educate are failing youth on reality..., CA
Joined: 06.06.2013

Sep 17 @ 11:24 AM ET
I want LA to offer sheet Sergachev . His age fits perfect. And would force Tampa into a hard pickle.
- poisondhearts37


I absolutely love this idea.
stefano76
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Canada, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 17 @ 3:38 PM ET
You wish you has them on the Kings -Stafanoooo

Kings are farther away than you think - wingers, goalies etc.

You have some nice young def. & some promising Centers...I'll give
you that but relax on your wordsmith pal.

- paulozz



the Kings are about 3 years away from making some noise...

As for wishing those players on my team, I really don't like players who hold out thinking that deserve waaaaay more than what they have earned. In fact if I was Dubas, i would have made Nylander hold out the entire season. But that is just my opinion, and I am probably in the minority.